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Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

Viktyr Gehrig said:
There's a big ****ing difference between not being allowed to kill someone, and being forced under penalty of law to carry an unwanted organism inside your body for nine months, allowing it to sustain itself from your own biological processes. You think women should be enslaved to the children in their wombs from the moment of conception which is why you are being accused-- quite rightly-- of considering women to be lesser beings and having no regard for their rights.

And, of course, you're going to come back to this post with some idiotic screed about how pregnancy isn't slavery, ignoring the fact that any labor is slavery when it's forced at gunpoint. Have fun with that.
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exactly, thank you
sadly your logic and fact will be wasted on some posters here
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
There's a big ****ing difference between not being allowed to kill someone, and being forced under penalty of law to carry an unwanted organism inside your body for nine months, allowing it to sustain itself from your own biological processes.
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Far from a big ****ing difference, there's no practical difference considering that abortion is killing someone, and no, no one should be allowed to kill another human in aggression. There's not much BIG ****ING DIFFERENCE between killing someone in aggression and killing someone in aggression.

You think women should be enslaved to the children in their wombs from the moment of conception which is why you are being accused-- quite rightly-- of considering women to be lesser beings and having no regard for their rights.
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Slavery? Glad you brought that up. Why no, I don't think that the human beings we create are our subhuman property to be killed on a whim, because that would be like slavery and it would be morally disgusting, bigoted, and wrong. Good thing I don't believe in treating any class of humans as lesser beings like some people apparently do.

Hey, by the way - you know what isn't like slavery? Not being allowed to kill someone.

But thanks for the flamebait.
 
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JayDubya said:
1.)Far from a big ****ing difference, There's no practical difference considering that abortion is killing someone, and no, no one should be allowed to kill another human in aggression.



2.)Slavery? Glad you brought that up. Why no, I don't think that the human beings we create are our subhuman property to be killed on a whim, because that would be like slavery and it would be morally disgusting, bigoted, and wrong. Good thing I don't believe in treating any class of humans as lesser beings like some people apparently do.

Hey, by the way - you know what isn't like slavery? Not being allowed to kill someone.

But thanks for the flamebait.
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1.)only someone totally dishonest and void of reality would have that opinion, its a HUGE difference and facts support that.

the solution is easy all you have to do is prove they are the same, we all can EASILY prove they are CLEARLY different. Let me know when you can fight against FACTS :)

2.) actually you do believe in treat women lesser, that fact is proven because you want the government to make them slaves for 9 months, and I agree you wanting to do that is morally disgusting, bigoted, and wrong.

another post another fail.

you view women as a lesser and simply cant admit it.

other can, there are others that are prolife and just simply admit they want the ZEF to have more rights, they can admit it because they are honest and have integrity

I can admit it for myself, sometimes i want the woman to have more rights sometimes i want the ZEF to have more rights

why?

because there cant be equal rights, its impossible a fact you ignore
 
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Honestly, I think it is a reasonable and somewhat consistent position, although I don't agree with it. From the standpoint of someone trying to get elected in a close race with an unusually strong Libertarian candidate to splinter the Republican vote, it was just a stupid thing to say though. If it plays anything like Todd Akin's comment did, Joe Donnelly will take the senate seat from the Republicans in Indiana. I'd pretty much given up hope for the Republicans to take the senate this year anyway. Things looking very good for the GOP in 2014 though.
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Here-in lies the problem with politics. You have to say stupid ridiculous **** to get elected.

All this does is reflect on the stupidity of the American voter.

And in this case reflects very badly on the right-wing voter.. For the reason that it is complete utter stupidity. "GOD" willed you to get raped.. give me a ****ing break... and then birth your rape child... have christians lost their ****ing minds?

This topic just about throws me over the edge.
 
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Does the law permit born human females to be killed in aggression? No.
Does the law permit unborn humans of either gender to be killed in aggression? Yes.

Hey, that's inequality. Gosh, but I thought all men were created equal and governments need to treat everyone fairly. We've got a problem here.



So let's look at this impossible scenario. One group can be killed in aggression on a whim, and the other can't. Hrm. Hrrrrrrm. Gee, this a toughie.

I wonder how we could achieve equality, and respect both parties' right to life. Boy, I don't know. It's so complicated.

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JayDubya said:
Does the law permit born human females to be killed in aggression? No.
Does the law permit unborn humans of either gender to be killed in aggression? Yes.

Hey that's inequality.


So let's look at this impossible scenario. So one group can be killed in aggression on a whim, and the other can't. Hrm. Gee, this a toughie.

I wonder how we could achieve equality, and respect both parties's right to life. Boy, I don't know. It's so complicated.

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LMAO do you actually think your broken dishonest logic fools anybody who is honest and educated? it doesnt LMAO

sorry fact remains there is no way to grant equal rights in this case, its IMPOSSIBLE and no amount of your crying will change that fact, punch your keyboard, kick you cat, facts dont care about your feelings.

honest people simply admit these facts
then they admit that they want the woman or the zef to have more rights.

in my case, in the majority of situations i want more rights to be with the woman, she is an already born viable living human being who is also a citizen so i pick her to be greater and the ZEF to be the lesser since the ZEF is an unknown. Also I could never force women against thier will for 9 whole months to be slaves IMO im just not that demented and evil.

But there are indeed situations where i would pick the ZEF to have more rights and the women to be the lesser. this happens much later in the pregnancy when the ZEF is actually viable and the women wouldnt be tortured for no reason.

Since im honest and understand facts and reality this is EASY for me to admit these truths, its called rational and integrity.

I simply don understand why you deny these facts and cant accept the reality that you do in fact view the woman as the lesser and you pick the ZEF over her. :shrug:

I asked you probably 100 times to factually prove otherwise you never have, wonder why?
 
It is not impossible to respect the rights of all parties. It is not only simple, it is the government's duty.

As usual, your definition of "fact" is as specious as your definition of "aggression," "slavery," "parasite" or any other part of the English language you abuse on a daily basis. You don't know the words and concepts you're using, but then, you don't need to in order to get your jollies posting in bad faith.

If you want to, you may admit to being a bigot and an opponent of human equality if you want to, treating some humans as lessers to be owned or killed based on something as arbitrary as age. I'm not like you, though. I'm better than that.

So maybe that's your problem - you expect others to be as lousy as you are.
 
JayDubya said:
1.)It is not impossible to respect the rights of all parties. It is not only simple, it is the government's duty.

As usual, your definition of "fact" is as specious as your definition of "aggression," "slavery," "parasite" or any other part of the English language you abuse on a daily basis. You don't know the words and concepts you're using, but then, you don't need to in order to get your jollies posting in bad faith.

If you want to, you may admit to being a bigot and an opponent of human equality if you want to, treating some humans as lessers to be owned or killed based on something as arbitrary as age. I'm not like you, though. I'm better than that.

So maybe that's your problem - you expect others to be as lousy as you are.
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sorry in this case it is impossible that fact has been proven many times, you can accept it or deny it and look foolish and be wrong :shrug:

FACT: you view women as less
FACT: you are against aggression unless that aggression is against the woman.

again simply let me know when you have ANY fact to support otherwise

your typical failed insults change nothing, they further expose you and your inability to logically and factually support your false claims.

its shows how dishonest you are.

its weird when respected, logical honest posters are asked to simply prove something they just do it, the provide facts and logic to back up their claims

how come you never do that? you repeat your opinion over and over again lhoping somebody will mistake it for facts and then resort to being uncivil, lying and attacks all because of your own short comings. Its VERY humorous.

i have no problem but it seems facts and honesty bother you, not my fault you cant accept your own evilness

again, i ask you, please prove the above bolded statements wrong

come on, teach me a lesson, put me in my place and prove me wrong?

i can support my claims and prove the facts why cant you support yours?

we are all waiting?
 
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JayDubya said:
It is not impossible to respect the rights of all parties. It is not only simple, it is the government's duty.
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He would understand that if he understood rights, but he doesn't.
 
JayDubya said:
Does the law permit born human females to be killed in aggression? No.
Does the law permit unborn humans of either gender to be killed in aggression? Yes.

Hey, that's inequality. Gosh, but I thought all men were created equal and governments need to treat everyone fairly. We've got a problem here.



So let's look at this impossible scenario. One group can be killed in aggression on a whim, and the other can't. Hrm. Hrrrrrrm. Gee, this a toughie.

I wonder how we could achieve equality, and respect both parties' right to life. Boy, I don't know. It's so complicated.

:roll:
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If the law required me to donate my heart to my child, it would THEN be an approximately fair comparison to any law which criminalizes abortion. It still wouldn't be totally fair, as not every child will need a new heart, and removing my heart would not take 9 months.

Bottom line is, you value cell clusters more than you value ME, and I resent you deeply for it, Jay.
 
Henrin said:
He would understand that if he understood rights, but he doesn't.
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again in the case of abortion facts disagree with you both simply because you both choose to only care about the rights of the ZEF :shrug: the woman is left out of the loop

prove it wrong with facts, we are all waiting LMAO

prove they both have equal rights if abortion is made illegal, i cant wait for this
 
Objective-J said:
again in the case of abortion facts disagree with you both simply because you both choose to only care about the rights of the ZEF :shrug: the woman is left out of the loop
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Making such statements shows you haven't the first clue what the topic you speak of is about.
 
Henrin said:
Making such statements shows you haven't the first clue what the topic you speak of is about.
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translation: you have no proof

please then by all means good sir, prove my statement wrong, thats all you have to do, provide these little things called FACTS. I can and have. where are yours :)
 
You have conceded that not being allowed to kill someone does not make one lesser than another. Therefore, you have conceded that your personal attack stating that I feel women are "lesser" because I do not wish for them to be allowed to kill their offspring is baseless. I do not wish for anyone to be allowed to kill other humans in aggression.

Since you continue to make unsubstantiated personal attacks accusing me of gender bigotry that you know for a fact to be false, there is only one conclusion, and it is one that was obvious pages and pages ago - you are trolling this thread. You are making outrageous and ridiculous insults to get a rise out of others. It should stop. It should have been made to stop a long time ago.


I have logically laid out multiple times how there is no conflict of rights or no superiority / inferiority in simply protecting the right to life of humans of any age. Equality means treating folks the same in the eyes of the law. You say it is impossible to treat folks equally under the law, and because you say so you call that a fact and then you ridicule others when they don't agree with your unsubstantiated opinion that you can't distinguish from fact.

If you prosecute the homicide of the unborn, then that corrects an inequality. It doesn't lessen anyone, or enslave anyone, anymore than the prosecution of the homicide of born humans does.
 
Pinkie said:
Bottom line is, you value cell clusters more than you value ME, and I resent you deeply for it, Jay.
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What a coincidence - I resent people who repeatedly make unsubstantiated personal attacks in bad faith.

I will be sure to let you know when I think it would be appropriate for you to be killed in cold blood without criminal charges being levied against your attackers. At that time, I will demonstrably value the life of the unborn in an unequal manner and your criticism would have some basis in reality and it would not be the unmitigated defamation you have engaged in today.

Until such time, however, I just so happen to want the same criminal charges brought up for one killing one human as the other.
 
JayDubya said:
1.)You have conceded that not being allowed to kill someone does not make one lesser than another. Therefore, you have conceded that your personal attack stating that I feel women are "lesser" because I do not wish for them to be allowed to kill their offspring is baseless. I do not wish for anyone to be allowed to kill other humans in aggression.

2.)Since you continue to make unsubstantiated personal attacks accusing me of gender bigotry that you know for a fact to be false, there is only one conclusion, and it is one that was obvious pages and pages ago - you are trolling this thread. You are making outrageous and ridiculous insults to get a rise out of others. It should stop. It should have been made to stop a long time ago.


3.)I have logically laid out multiple times how there is no conflict of rights or no superiority / inferiority in simply protecting the right to life of humans of any age. Equality means treating folks the same in the eyes of the law. You say it is impossible to treat folks equally under the law, and because you say so you call that a fact and then you ridicule others when they don't agree with your unsubstantiated opinion that you can't distinguish from fact.

4.)If you prosecute the homicide of the unborn, then that corrects an inequality. It doesn't lessen anyone, or enslave anyone, anymore than the prosecution of the homicide of born humans does.
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1.)100% wrong, your example has already been proven to be BS by me and other posters, sorry you lose that one hands down, your logic fails on multiple levels and is completly meaningless to the abortion debate. repeating it wont change that fact LMAO

its not a personal attack its TRUE, you view women to be the lesser.
You support aggression against women in favor of the ZEF, also true

2.) this is a pure deflection due to your inability to provide any fact to counter the ones already posted, posting facts and backing ones claims and exposing dishonesty is NOT trolling LMAO, nice try but yet another fail.

you want to stop me from posting the truth, prove it wrong its a very simple solution.

3.) no you have in fact not, you repeat your false opinion, multiple posters prove it WRONG and then when asked questions you run away, deflect, or become uncivil and use failed insults. LOL

and do NOT try to change my words, i said its impossible to grant equal rights in the case of abortion, not in general

4.) this is absolutely meaningless to anything being discussed its one of those random things you like to say to deflect and feel right about your false opinion.

again, i invite you to post ONE fact that support that you do no view women as lesser.

ONE FACT?

please lol
 
JayDubya said:
What a coincidence - I resent people who repeatedly make unsubstantiated personal attacks in bad faith.

I will be sure to let you know when I think it would be appropriate for you to be killed in cold blood without criminal charges being levied against your attackers. At that time I will value the life of the unborn in an unequal manner and your criticism would have some basis in reality.

Until such time, however, I just so happen to want the same criminal charges brought up for one killing one human as the other.
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its amazing how you talk around the facts and truth.

if you claim to be so honest why do you never provide facts or give honest answers to questions?
 
JayDubya said:
What a coincidence - I resent people who repeatedly make unsubstantiated personal attacks in bad faith.

I will be sure to let you know when I think it would be appropriate for you to be killed in cold blood without criminal charges being levied against your attackers. At that time, I will demonstrably value the life of the unborn in an unequal manner and your criticism would have some basis in reality and it would not be the unmitigated defamation you have engaged in today.

Until such time, however, I just so happen to want the same criminal charges brought up for one killing one human as the other.
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Has it dawned on you yet how absurd, annoying, dishonest and self-indulgent it is of you to claim to take this debate personally, when you cannot get pregnant and I can?
 
Objective-J said:
again in the case of abortion facts disagree with you both simply because you both choose to only care about the rights of the ZEF :shrug: the woman is left out of the loop
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Nope. Its just a simple matter of two things.

1.) what the right to your body includes.
2.) how rights function.

You are failing to understand both.
 
Pinkie said:
Has it dawned on you yet how absurd, annoying, dishonest and self-indulgent it is of you to claim to take this debate personally, when you cannot get pregnant and I can?
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or provide any FACTS to support his broken logic

he gets mad at posters for proving him wrong and exposing his false logic, its hilarious
 
Pinkie said:
Has it dawned on you yet how absurd, annoying, dishonest and self-indulgent it is of you to claim to take this debate personally, when you cannot get pregnant and I can?
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Has it occurred to you how unbelievably sexist is it of you to say that I can't have an opinion about the human rights abuse of abortion because I'm a man?

Has it occurred to you that most folks would take insidious lies against their character and being called "asshole" and "jackass" because of their political opinon - on a political forum that supposedly prides itself on civility, natch - personally?
 
Moderator's Warning:
If you feel some one is trolling a thread or otherwise breaking a rule, then report the post. Do not discuss it inthread as that is offtopic.
 
Henrin said:
Nope. Its just a simply matter of two things.

1.) what the right to your body includes.
2.) how rights function.
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sooooooooo your facts are where exactly?
oh thats right, you didnt post any LMAO


ill wait maybe youll post some FACTS next time.

equal rights are impossible for the simply fact there are two lives involved, TWO, not one

in any forced case

one life is killed not to risk the other life (unequal,ZEF is lesser)

or

one life will attempt to be saved by forcing the other life to risk dying (unequal, woman is lesser)

fact remains there nothing equal about that.
 
JayDubya said:
Has it occurred to you how unbelievably sexist is it of you to say that I can't have an opinion about the human rights abuse of abortion because I'm a man?

Has it occurred to you that most folks would take insidious lies against their character and being called "asshole" and "jackass" because of their political opinon - on a political forum that supposedly prides itself on civility, natch - personally?
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where did she say you can have an opinion? certainly not in her quote

fail
 
Objective-J said:
sooooooooo your facts are where exactly?
oh thats right, you didnt post any LMAO


ill wait maybe youll post some FACTS next time.

equal rights are impossible for the simply fact there are two lives involved, TWO, not one

in any forced case

one life is killed not to risk the other life (unequal,ZEF is lesser)

or

one life will attempt to be saved by forcing the other life to risk dying (unequal, woman is lesser)

fact remains there nothing equal about that.
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That entire post was just your ignorant point of view based on an idiotic premise. Its interesting how you think the right to her body includes the killing of her offspring though. I wonder if any other right includes such a thing? Does other parts of the right to her body have to rely on broken logic like yours? Its interesting how property doesn't include control of access if you are public business, but the right to a womans body includes the right to kill. How very interesting..
 
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