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Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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Every baby should be a wanted baby...and that's that. That's every babies birthright.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
So possible death is just a mere inconvience?
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Possible death of the mother? That would call for immediate danger of her life for that to work. That isn't usually the case.
 
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Uzidoesit said:
Every baby should be a wanted baby...and that's that. That's every babies birthright.
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And if they can't get it they should be killed. Always interesting logic.
 
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Henrin said:
So why then is emotional trauma still there or even worse after an abortion?
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Different women deal with the emotional impact of abortion differently. But at least it's a choice they themselves can make. Especially after they've been a victim of rape.

Henrin said:
Fair enough, but that is just defending one wrong with another.
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So is saying that a woman must bear the consequences of being a victim of rape for 9 months. But I think that allowing women to choose to have an abortion is a better wrong.
 
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samsmart said:
Different women deal with the emotional impact of abortion differently. But at least it's a choice they themselves can make. Especially after they've been a victim of rape.
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They can also decide to get help for the trauma and not get an abortion. That is choice, is it not?

So is saying that a woman must bear the consequences of being a victim of rape for 9 months. But I think that allowing women to choose to have an abortion is a better wrong.
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The alternative to carrying the child is death for that child, so if both are wrong its pretty obvious which is less wrong and it is abortion.
 
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anybody wanting to FORCE a woman against her will to carry a ZEF that is a result of rape is just selfish and ignorant IMO. I could never support this type of stripping of rights, freedoms and liberties in such a case. Might as well rape her twice.
 
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Removable Mind said:
You can bull**** some of the people sometime...but not all of the people all of the time. Repression is control. You would - if you had the power - control the reproductive rights of every woman on the planet.
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I'll repeat my request once more and more directly: you are lying and you are trolling and you know full well that you are doing both. You really ought to stop.

And get real. Your "reproductive rights" is code for "abortion on demand," which no ****, I oppose - it's a human rights abuse.

You seem to think you can make a blanket statement that people who don't support needless killing hate and want to control women. But no, it doesn't logically follow, and you can damn well be expected - no, demanded - to know better.
 
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Objective-J said:
anybody wanting to FORCE a woman against her will to carry a ZEF that is a result of rape is just selfish and ignorant IMO. I could never support this type of stripping of rights, freedoms and liberties in such a case. Might as well rape her twice.
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It is not a right at all, first off. Second, calling it selfish to protect the human race is idiotic.
 
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Henrin said:
They can also decide to get help for the trauma and not get an abortion. That is choice, is it not?
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Or they can decide to get help for the trauma and get an abortion as well. That's a valid choice too.

Henrin said:
The alternative to carrying the child is death for that child, so if both are wrong its pretty obvious which is less wrong and it is abortion.
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I think it's pretty obvious that the rape victim should choose which wrong to pursue as a matter of personal conscience rather than have someone else dictate it to her.
 
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Your Star said:
The "Let's force a shattered woman to be tortured for 9 months" is a disgusting value.
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yep and force her to risk her life, giver up her freedoms, liberties and rights ALL AGAINST HER WILL.

doesnt that sound great!!!! <end sarcasm>

So happy in general our country is smarter than this
 
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Uzidoesit said:
Every baby should be a wanted baby...and that's that. That's every babies birthright.
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It's also every woman's right that they not be violated by rape either.

Reality ensues.
 
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JayDubya said:
I'll repeat my request once more and more directly: you are lying and you are trolling and you know full well that you are doing both. You really ought to stop.

And get real. Your "reproductive rights" is code for "abortion on demand," which no ****, I oppose - it's a human rights abuse.

You seem to think you can make a blanket statement that people who don't support needless killing hate and want to control women. But no, it doesn't logically follow, and you can damn well be expected - no, demanded - to know better.
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Jay...not only would you love to control women's reproductive rights...but also it now seems that you are the world's first true mind reader. You know how to read codes in my head. Goooood boy...Jay. Well done!

WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE AN ABORTION IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE LAW! That is a dead-dog fact. Get your facts straight, Jay.

Human rights? In my humble opinion...human's would have no rights if you had anything to do about it, especially women.
 
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Let me close this dumb topic already....

First I am a realistic reasonable Christian who believes we should all honor God's laws, BUT. I don't believe anyone should be forced too.

I think women, whether pregnant on accident, rape, planned pregnancy whatever, should have the choice to abort or not. That way God's laws aren't being forced on her she can choose to go against them. PEOPLE deserve to choose to break the laws of God. I don't want people not being able to sin if they really want to. That would be unfair to those who struggle trying not to sin.
 
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Henrin said:
If you are going to use the defense that its her body and therefore her right to abort than you have no idea how the right actually functions at all or how negative rights do for that matter. To say you have the right to kill another being with the right to your body is completely missing the point of what it means to begin with. To defend abortion with such an argument is saying you have the right to violate someone else's life and body because of your right to your body. That is not how it works at all. You can not use your right to your body in defense to kill another on face value. It is invalid nonsense that only someone completely ignorant on the ideas laid out in front them would use. The only way this argument even gets close to working is self defense, but we are not merely talking of self defense, are we?
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So, in other words, your right to bodily autonomy does not protect your body from being subjugated for the purposes of others.

This makes the entire premise of your ideology a lie. And proves Paralogic correct, which really just makes me want to find a quiet corner and drink myself to death.
 
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Henrin said:
It is not a right at all, first off. Second, calling it selfish to protect the human race is idiotic.
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nope totally logical to call those idiots selfish that think that way because they are ignoring the rights liberities and freedoms of the woman, they are ignoring that forcing her to risk her life is wrong and they are ignoring that there are TWO lifes involved. so yes its selfish :shrug:
 
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Removable Mind said:
Jay...not only would you love to control women's reproductive rights...but also it now seems that you are the world's first true mind reader. You know how to read codes in my head. Goooood boy...Jay. Well done!

WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE AN ABORTION IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE LAW! That is a dead-dog fact. Get your facts straight, Jay.

Human rights? In my humble opinion...human's would have no rights if you had anything to do about it, especially women.
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so true as proven over and over again by his own words
 
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samsmart said:
Or they can decide to get help for the trauma and get an abortion as well. That's a valid choice too.
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Not really. That runs the risk of additional trauma and sure thing of a death while what I'm talking about just has the chance of dealing with that trauma.

I think it's pretty obvious that the rape victim should choose which wrong to pursue as a matter of personal conscience rather than have someone else dictate it to her.
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Pregnancy is not a wrong, so continuing the pregnancy is also not a wrong. In terms of choices she has the choice of non-aggression and the choice of aggression towards another. I think its interesting how aggression towards your person gives you the right to put forward aggression towards a party not guilty of that aggression.
 
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Henrin said:
Pregnancy is not a wrong, so continuing the pregnancy is also not a wrong. In terms of choices she has the choice of non-aggression and the choice of aggression towards another. I think its interesting how aggression towards your person gives you the right to put forward aggression towards a party not guilty of that aggression.
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If it is present inside your body against your wishes, its very presence is a violation.
 
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samsmart said:
Or they can decide to get help for the trauma and get an abortion as well. That's a valid choice too.



I think it's pretty obvious that the rape victim should choose which wrong to pursue as a matter of personal conscience rather than have someone else dictate it to her.
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Shhhhhhh

Samsmart thats too logical to be accepted, common sense like this will be wasted on some posters because its too free of a choice and the woman gets to keep to many rights.
 
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Henrin said:
Not really. That runs the risk of additional trauma and sure thing of a death while what I'm talking about just has the chance of dealing with that trauma.
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And that is a choice individual women should make, not a choice you, or anyone else, should make for them.

Henrin said:
Pregnancy is not a wrong, so continuing the pregnancy is also not a wrong. In terms of choices she has the choice of non-aggression and the choice of aggression towards another. I think its interesting how aggression towards your person gives you the right to put forward aggression towards a party not guilty of that aggression.
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Nobody ever said life was fair. However, granting women the choice legally is more fair than the alternative.
 
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Viktyr Gehrig said:
So, in other words, your right to bodily autonomy does not protect your body from being subjugated for the purposes of others.
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The body we are talking about is a natural occurrence of the species and designed to be there by the functions of the womans body. It has the right to be attached to the woman in such a way. This is not someone just coming along and attaching themselves to you and all comparisons to those ends are weak and lackluster.

This makes the entire premise of your ideology a lie. And proves Paralogic correct, which really just makes me want to find a quiet corner and drink myself to death.
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What did he say?
 
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samsmart said:
And that is a choice individual women should make, not a choice you, or anyone else, should make for them.



Nobody ever said life was fair. However, granting women the choice legally is more fair than the alternative.
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AMEN

again it doesnt get anymore logical than this
 
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Viktyr Gehrig said:
If it is present inside your body against your wishes, its very presence is a violation.
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I know, you think that if someone is sitting in your house that you have the right to shoot them in the head. Good luck trying to make sense of that view of yours.
 
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Henrin said:
I know, you think that if someone is sitting in your house that you have the right to shoot them in the head. Good luck trying to make sense of that view of yours.
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Take it you're not a big fan of property rights then, either.

Tell me, what kind of rights do you support, Libertarian?
 
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samsmart said:
And that is a choice individual women should make, not a choice you, or anyone else, should make for them.
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Well I'm sure that is how a civilized society works.

Nobody ever said life was fair. However, granting women the choice legally is more fair than the alternative.
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Who said anything about fairness? In terms of fairness, it makes no sense to say its more fair to allow the woman to kill whatever she pleases than to make her carry the child to term.
 
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