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Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

Hatuey said:
Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney - Yahoo! News



Not sure where I stand on this. On one hand, some people don't find gay rights (or well, just rights) in general. On the other, this feels like black people arguing that Jim Crow rights weren't all that important. However I looked up GOProud and found this:

"We founded GOProud to provide an unapologetic voice for gay conservatives and their straight allies. Since 2009, we have challenged conventional wisdom, smashed stereotypes and fought like hell for what we believe in."

...It feels "odd" to call people allies when they're actively working to deem your relationships as wrong and unworthy of the same societal and cultural benefits their unions get.
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Wow. So it is odd that they have their own minds and make their own choices. Or is it just odd that they dont agree with your beliefs? Some people think that the economy and future stability of our children and nation is more importantly than the government acknowledging a marriage. Just because gay marriage is more important than anything else to some people it is not the case for all people and you are ignorant for assuming so. On the flip side of that there are people who oppose gay marriage and still vote democrat because they feel Obama is better suited to address issues they feel are more important that that. How dare they!
 
VanceMack said:
And yet...they offer near blanket support to democrats and if they dare openly support republicans they are hit with some of the most ugly descriptors imaginable.
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Ugly partisanship is alive and well in America. What can you say?

There are people who vote for a particular party over and over again because their Dad did. Like you inherit party membership.
 
I find LGBT republicans most frustrating because I haven't met a single one who actually ought to be republican. Every single one that I have met, was actually broadly liberal on social views, but believed in the free market, to me this makes them more libertarian than republican.

I am sure they exist, but they are a minority in a minority. In fact I think the social platform of the republican party is more and more out of touch with the average person, I really wish people would wake up and vote the libertarian party in as the right wing party and they could focus on thier market reforms and small government.

As for me call me "single issue" all you want but I am gonna be voting for the party most likely to win that supports LGBT rights the most, that is the democrats right now, and is likely to stay that way.
 
Conservatives welcome all potential members with open arms.

There is only one requirement: You must be Conservative, both fiscally and socially.

This knowledge will allow the various diverse liberal client groups to refrain from further whining that the Conservatives don't "reach out" to them. Regardless of your hatred of all things American, the loons want you and no other party could outbid their payment for your votes. This should greatly simplify your future planning.
 
hikari said:
I find LGBT republicans most frustrating because I haven't met a single one who actually ought to be republican. Every single one that I have met, was actually broadly liberal on social views, but believed in the free market, to me this makes them more libertarian than republican.

I am sure they exist, but they are a minority in a minority. In fact I think the social platform of the republican party is more and more out of touch with the average person, I really wish people would wake up and vote the libertarian party in as the right wing party and they could focus on thier market reforms and small government.
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Conservative gays do exist, and some of them have very little interest in what you call "LGBT rights."

Progressives always seem so astonished that there are minorities that don't fit their constricting, stereotypical narrative.
 
nota bene said:
Conservative gays do exist, and some of them have very little interest in what you call "LGBT rights."

Progressives always seem so astonished that there are minorities that don't fit their constricting, stereotypical narrative.
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I live in a fairly conservative area and the gays who otherwise behave like everybody else get treated like everybody else. Of all the gays I know in my town, I can only think of a handful who are into that tranny praising, gay pride parade, "I'm here I'm queer" in your face mentality the national LGBT community seems to consider the norm for gays.
 
Deuce said:
Gay Republicans are still Republicans. Gay people have no inherent immunity to absurdly over-simplified beliefs or belief in myths like the iphone-toting welfare queen.
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How about the Obama-phone lady?

 
lpast said:
So your saying that all gays have to vote one way on one issue and that nothing else can be important but marriage to them or more important than that......your selling them way to short and trying to stick them in a small box.
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Don't stop there. Apparently you have to vote democrat if you're really black too.
 
Hatuey said:
The fallacy is this thread is people assuming "gay rights" means one issue. Same kind of people who would think equal rights of any sort are one issue.
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I see. So, how many "gay rights" issues is the GOP opposing?
 
mak2 said:
No, of course not. But the democrats don't get people to vote for leaders that want to reduce taxes on people making $250k when they are unemployed or make 30k. I don't know how they do it. another one I have seen recently, a family member (on my wife's side, thankfully) has not had a job in years. The parents pay for their house, she is an ER freak, going from one to the other for attention or drugs I am not sure which. Anyway she was on face book the other day talking about Obama being a communist and singing the praises of Romney. It just amazes me.,
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I'm with you. ER bouncing, drug freak, freeloaders usually vote Democrat. Makes no sense.
 
mac said:
I see. So, how many "gay rights" issues is the GOP opposing?
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SSM.

Gays adopting.

Gays serving.

There are more...
 
Hatuey said:
The fallacy is this thread is people assuming "gay rights" means one issue. Same kind of people who would think equal rights of any sort are one issue.
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I disagree that the main fallacy is that gay rights is a single issue.

There are several comparable morally reprehensible positions that candidates cannot even dream of having, but somehow it is ok to be against equal treatment of gays.

If a candidate was openly for policies keeping women from being able to function in society on an equal footing with men, they would be rejected by everyone, even if many agreed with them on all their other positions.

Or if a black woman was not allowed by a hospital to visit her white husband, or make decisions for him when he became unable to do so, no one would support the candidate who said "That's fine by me".

We would collectively and rightly reject the jerk off. So. While I disagree with Romney on most of what he says (even though it is hard to keep track of all the varying positions he had held on issues), I would reject him outright due to his stand for unequal treatment of gays, even if I agreed with him on everything else that is an issue in this election.
 
nota bene said:
Conservative gays do exist, and some of them have very little interest in what you call "LGBT rights."

Progressives always seem so astonished that there are minorities that don't fit their constricting, stereotypical narrative.
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As I said, I am sure they do. And I know many LGBT people who identify as conservative, but at no point do I hear them say "man, am I glad we can't get married" or conservative transpeople saying "I am going to make sure the politicians don't let me amend my birth certificate to show my proper gender". I do hear them say things like "government is too big", and "regulation stifles our economy".

Perhaps someone so self hating that they feel they dont deserve to be treated eqaully are out there, it I don't think there is a meaningful number of them.
 
Hatuey said:
SSM.

Gays adopting.

Gays serving.

There are more...
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Are homosexuals not allowed to adopt?

What are the others? Really the only two issues are the OPENLY serving and the SSM issue. I haven't heard of any others. Any adoption issue I imagine would be tied to the SSM issue.
 
Republic Now! said:
Are homosexuals not allowed to adopt?

What are the others? Really the only two issues are the OPENLY serving and the SSM issue. I haven't heard of any others. Any adoption issue I imagine would be tied to the SSM issue.
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In many states, you can be fired for being gay for starters. adoption laws, are very murky in most states, even with the marriage issue solved there can still be obstacles. Allowing gay marriage would solve it in most states, however if step parent adoption isn't allowed, it could still have problems in state state.

What about gay men not being able to donate blood, or since 2005 sperm?

what about the fact that in more than half of the states it is legal to discriminate against homosexuals and transgender people in housing?

These are only a small smattering of issues in front of the gay community today. There are tons of issues, and a great deal more when you add the t to the LGBT.
 
Luna Tick said:
I want to know why any gay person would be Republican. It's kind of like African Americans for the KKK.
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Or Martians celebrating Earth Day. Try to be careful with analogies, they can help reveal your handicaps.
 
mac said:
Part of the GOP does seem to oppose this, but so does part of the DNC.
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What a silly distraction. :shrug:

How?
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Well here is an example:

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Virginia Senate passes anti-gay adoption bill | Washington Blade - America's Leading Gay News Source

How?
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:shrug:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/politics/19cong.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining Democrats, the Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a policy critics said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that treated gay and lesbian troops as second-class citizens.
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31 votes in favor of keeping DADT? All 31 Republican? C'man.

Are there?
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Yes there are. :shrug: - Now we can play the shuffle and you can try and distract me by continually attempting to make "gay rights" into a single issue or better yet - pointing at the 2 Republicans every now and then who stop being homophobic long enough to get elected but my suggestion would be for you to simply accept that the GOP has an anti-gay agenda.
 
Hatuey said:
What a silly distraction. :shrug:
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How so? It's true. :shrug:

Well here is an example:

:shrug:

Virginia Senate passes anti-gay adoption bill | Washington Blade - America's Leading Gay News Source
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This is actually the state affirming seperation of church and state, and is not restricted to homosexuals.

:shrug:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/politics/19cong.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0



31 votes in favor of keeping DADT? All 31 Republican? C'man.
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Democrats voted with them. Looks like bipartisan opposition. Perhaps this is an issue not restricted to political ideology.

Yes there are. :shrug: - Now we can play the shuffle and you can try and distract me by continually attempting to make "gay rights" into a single issue or better yet - pointing at the 2 Republicans every now and then who stop being homophobic long enough to get elected but my suggestion would be for you to simply accept that the GOP has an anti-gay agenda.
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Then what are they?
 
mac said:
How so? It's true. :shrug:
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It's a silly distracting because there's no such thing as bipartisan opposition to gay rights. :shrug:

This is actually the state affirming seperation of church and state, and is not restricted to homosexuals.
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The bill, SB 349, became known as the “conscience clause” bill because supporters say it would protect the religious rights of faith based adoption and foster placement agencies, many of whom are funded by the state.
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You're being dishonest.
Democrats voted with them. Looks like bipartisan opposition. Perhaps this is an issue not restricted to political ideology.
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You're doing that thing where you're incredibly dishonest. Please stop. It makes you look like you didn't read the article.

Then what are they?
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I already showed you 3. Or are you saying they're only 1? You're being dishonest.
 
Anyone who doeant think this is a partisan issue need only to look at the parties respective platforms, while individual members may vary it is quite clear that the parties as a whole are opposed on this. White washing republican opposition to gay rights is being dishonest.

You can point to gay friendly republicans and anti gay democrats, but it doesnt change the fact that each is a minority within the parties, I fan show you pro gun democrats too, but that doesn't mean the democrats are going to pass a bill allowing national concealed carry.
 
Hatuey said:
It's a silly distracting because there's no such thing as bipartisan opposition to gay rights. :shrug:
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If there are both Republicans and Democrats opposing it, it's bipartisan.

You're being dishonest.
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No, it keeps the state from dictating that a religious organization perform actions inconsistent with their religious beliefs.

You're doing that thing where you're incredibly dishonest. Please stop. It makes you look like you didn't read the article.
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Again, both Republicans and Democrats oppose gay marriage.

I already showed you 3. Or are you saying they're only 1? You're being dishonest.
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No, sir. It's you being dishonest. There is no gay right that is solely opposed by the GOP.
 
Hatuey said:
Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney - Yahoo! News



Not sure where I stand on this. On one hand, some people don't find gay rights (or well, just rights) in general. On the other, this feels like black people arguing that Jim Crow rights weren't all that important. However I looked up GOProud and found this:

"We founded GOProud to provide an unapologetic voice for gay conservatives and their straight allies. Since 2009, we have challenged conventional wisdom, smashed stereotypes and fought like hell for what we believe in."

...It feels "odd" to call people allies when they're actively working to deem your relationships as wrong and unworthy of the same societal and cultural benefits their unions get.
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I feel the same way as a black man voting for Mitt. I get it from all sides. Well I know exactly where they are coming from and agree with them.

I know I was going to vote for Obama. This is getting too close though. His mentioning of a new useless AWB pushed me away permanently.
 
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