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NYPD paid informant to 'bait' Muslims

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Informant: NYPD paid me to 'bait' Muslims

By ADAM GOLDMANand MATT APUZZO | Associated Press – 10/23/2012


NEW YORK (AP) —A paid informant for the New York Police Department's intelligence unit wasunder orders to "bait" Muslims into saying inflammatory things as helived a double life, snapping pictures inside mosques and collecting the namesof innocent people attending study groups on Islam, he told The AssociatedPress.

Shamiur Rahman,a 19-year-old American of Bangladeshi descent who has now denounced his work asan informant, said police told him to embrace a strategy called "createand capture." He said it involved creating a conversation about jihad orterrorism, then capturing the response to send to the NYPD. For his work, heearned as much as $1,000 a month and goodwill from the police after a string ofminor marijuana arrests.

http://news.yahoo.com/informant-nypd-paid-bait-muslims-134358506.html
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That's how so said law enforcement force to make living on created "terror case".

22of The Worst Terrorist Plots were Hatched by the F.B.I.
30April 2012
ByDAVID K. SHIPLER, NYTimes

THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recentyears — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on hisway to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles atmilitary aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea tofly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatchedin Massachusetts.

But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agentsand informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives,a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played theirparts until they were arrested.

When an Oregon college student, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, thought of using a carbomb to attack a festive Christmas-tree lighting ceremony in Portland, theF.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of “inert material,”harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to makethe van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving, withMr. Mohamud in the passenger seat. To trigger the bomb the student punched anumber into a cellphone and got no boom, only a bust
http://just-another-inside-job.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/22-of-worst-terrorist-plots-were.html
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Wow. That's pretty crappy of law enforcement. It's one thing to build a legitimate case and do a sting operation, but this is just damn low.
 
Glad we're so vigilant against entrapment. I wonder how many other cases have come down to actual entrapment.
 
katsung47 said:
That's how so said law enforcement force to make living on created "terror case".
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This does bother me. I mean, I know that we do this in other countries to get things done -- facilitate nut jobs we root out to do our dirty work -- but to evaluate the need for extra manpower, larger budgets, etc., etc. based on sting operations where the FBI (or any other law enforcement group) is setting people up? That smacks of that old adage, follow the money.

We need more manpower! We need more toys! We need more 'whatever'! Just look! We stopped a half-dozen terrorist attacks in New York City alone!!!
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This kind of program should be evaluated very, very carefully.
 
I have to stay out of stories like this. One side of me thinks it is hideous what they get away with but another thinks, "Well they didn't walk away so clearly these folks were up to no good to begin with"
 
I think if the government can establish that the person is already hell bent on doing something, that they should be able to get some sort of 'warrant' or similar item from a judge to bait the person.
 
Fisher said:
I have to stay out of stories like this. One side of me thinks it is hideous what they get away with but another thinks, "Well they didn't walk away so clearly these folks were up to no good to begin with"
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I try to take this approach: If they willingly do this to Muslims, what reason would there be to think they wouldn't do the same to anyone else? I frankly find it disgusting that people in power would do this to anyone, without legitimate cause. Just because someone is Muslim, and we are opposed to Muslim jihadist activity, it is no justification to set them up and entrap them, when they have not demonstrated a history of illegal activity. This kind of crap just fuels the fire on several sides of the issue. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, and innocent until proven guilty, not assumed to be guilty, then set up for a fall.
 
Aberration said:
I think if the government can establish that the person is already hell bent on doing something, that they should be able to get some sort of 'warrant' or similar item from a judge to bait the person.
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So entrapment should be legal so long as the government tells us that the individual was "hell bent" on doing something?
 
Ikari said:
So entrapment should be legal so long as the government tells us that the individual was "hell bent" on doing something?
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I think so. Its important to determine to what lengths a person would have gone had they actually been able to commit the crime. In theory the Judge would keep enforcement from abusing it.
 
Aberration said:
I think so. Its important to determine to what lengths a person would have gone had they actually been able to commit the crime. In theory the Judge would keep enforcement from abusing it.
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MMmmm, yes that judge. Because the government hasn't subverted that step....oh wait.
 
Ikari said:
MMmmm, yes that judge. Because the government hasn't subverted that step....oh wait.
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Properly phrased laws would remedy that. Make it a panel. Make the burden higher.
 
Aberration said:
Properly phrased laws would remedy that. Make it a panel. Make the burden higher.
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Removing laws, such as the Patriot Act, would remedy it. But that's not the way the government likes it, and they don't tend to give up power they've abdicated. Which is why entrapment needs to remain illegal in total. Not only that, but we should start to enforce this again.
 
lizzie said:
I try to take this approach: If they willingly do this to Muslims, what reason would there be to think they wouldn't do the same to anyone else? .....
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They do do it to other people. Criminal law is full of entrapment cases and they began well before 9/11.
 
Ikari said:
Removing laws, such as the Patriot Act, would remedy it. But that's not the way the government likes it, and they don't tend to give up power they've abdicated. Which is why entrapment needs to remain illegal in total. Not only that, but we should start to enforce this again.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Patriot Act. I still believe there can be a proper and fair way to intervene. And I think throwing someone in jail for a few years because you 'caught' them early, only to release them so they can accomplish something later is not very prudent. I believe there can be a fair 'due process' to these situations that allow us to measure their capability of mass murder and take that into account when sentencing them. Even if approached from a rehabilitation perspective we need to know someones potential in order to understand what is needed to help. Otherwise you don't treat properly and the same, you release someone to just accomplish what they are capable of later.
 
Just like the DEA was baiting John DeLorean all those years ago, now NYPD is baiting muslims. And of course, so does the FBI bait muslims.

A very sad situation for US law enforcement. A pathetic display of loss of moral compass by the US authorities. :(
 
How many times a month does the NYPD end up on here for misuse of their officers? That needs to be cleaned up.
 
If this was the police infiltrating militia groups, gun shows or Christian Identity groups, I got a suspicion many on this thread would approve.

If they had a few in Jonestown they could have saved 800 people.
 
Great idea! Always beneficial to flush out and expose the enemies of the United States. Muslims should not be allowed in this country, they are our sworn enemies and they've already killed 3,000 Americans on our own soil. Kudos to the NYPD!

Always a good idea to be aware that once you kill a huge number of police, it's not going to do you much good to whine about the police watching you later.

Note to the loons: "Baiting" is not entrapment.
 
katsung47 said:
That's how so said law enforcement force to make living on created "terror case".
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This is wrong.Its one thing to leave a bait car to nab car thieves or to ask a known drug dealer for drugs and buy drugs from him and its another thing to egg on or entice someone to do something they normally wouldn't do.
 
spanky said:
If this was the police infiltrating militia groups, gun shows or Christian Identity groups, I got a suspicion many on this thread would approve.

If they had a few in Jonestown they could have saved 800 people.
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Or maybe you would be outraged if it were a Christian group and are strangely OK with baiting Muslims? Hypothetical hypocrisy is a fun game!
 
Deuce said:
Or maybe you would be outraged if it were a Christian group and are strangely OK with baiting Muslims? Hypothetical hypocrisy is a fun game!
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I'm okay with baiting them all.
 
spanky said:
I'm okay with baiting them all.
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No, if you get to make up what we think, we get to make up what you think. You therefore believe that only Christians should be exempt from this. Also you believe the Star Wars prequel trilogy was better than the original.
 
Stings and inducement to crime is very poor law enforcement and should be forbidden except in special circumstances.

With so many victimless crimes created by poor legislation, it induces the cops into such behavior.
 
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