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Wary Swiss Banks Shun Yanks

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Wary Swiss Banks Shun Yanks - WSJ.com

Among the reasons was a pending U.S. regulation aimed at tracking down tax cheats that is making life difficult for some Americans abroad. These expatriates say that foreign banks, which have expressed concern about compliance costs and potential penalties for failing to report on their American clients, are turning away their business.

The new law, expected to be phased in over several years, requires foreign banks to identify Americans among their clients and to provide their financial information to the Internal Revenue Service. Just one person overlooked could mean a penalty equivalent to 30% of a bank's U.S. income.

If European banks want nothing to do with Americans because of the onerous regulations that attach to them then what does it say about regulations within the US itself?

It's hard to believe that the US has become the poster child for over-regulation in the world.
 
If European banks want nothing to do with Americans because of the onerous regulations that attach to them then what does it say about regulations within the US itself?

It's hard to believe that the US has become the poster child for over-regulation in the world.

How can the US assess penalties on banks abroad?
 
That is exactly it

The larger Swiss banks have US operations and require the US operations to operate. The also need access to US controled/dominated clearing houses. If they want to operate in the US or have access to international banking operations they need to keep the US government happy.

That is why the Swiss banks are either going to dump US customers or require they do more to cover up their nationality, or comply with the US requests
 
This is also a case where the bad guys make life difficult for the good guys. I'll analogize this to the people suffering in pain that can't get a scrip for enough Oxycontin because of the criminal sales of that drug by unscrupulous Doctors.

Your average, middle-class American doesn't have a Swiss account. They are mostly wealthy tax cheats.

Unfortunately, this will create a problem for overseas residents who are legitimate. How will the US enforce this? I suppose that all these banks do some business in the US.

Quoted from the comment section on the referenced article:
Part I - US tax cheats pay for secret Swiss accounts, Aug. 3, 2010 (Swiss.info.CH)

The IRS has named and shamed 17 offenders on their website with sentences ranging from tough fines and prison time. The Swiss parliament recently ratified a deal to hand 4,450 UBS client names to the IRS. One watch manufacturer was put behind bars for ten months, a children’s toy dealer will spend six months under house arrest after serving three months in jail while a yacht broker received two months in prison and five months of home confinement. On top of jail sentences, the guilty must all pay up the taxes they dodged in the first place and in addition face heavy fines. The most severe financial penalty listed to date was $20.4 million (SFr21.3 million) issued to a watch dealer. Another group of seven tax dodgers are said to have hidden some $100 million in secret UBS accounts. In 2008 the US Department of Justice (DoJ) estimated that up to 20,000 US citizens had some $20 billion in assets hidden abroad. The details of such convictions reveal a highly sophisticated web of evasion, sometimes dating back to the 1970s, that could involve setting up fake companies in various countries or repatriating funds via bogus loans.

More banks targeted
The growing list of confessions, judgments and punishments follows the release of 285 UBS client names to the US tax authorities last year. Observers expect more convictions from that batch, with thousands of names yet to be revealed. “The IRS and the DoJ have moved quickly, as time is measured in the world of criminal tax cases, to bring as many as they have,” US tax lawyer Scott Michel told swissinfo.ch. “Criminal tax cases often take a long time, and there are clearly other cases under investigation that present more mitigating circumstances and perhaps greater complications than the ones brought so far. These will take more time.” The public naming and shaming of individuals is designed to flush more tax evaders out into the open with voluntary disclosures before they get caught and handed more severe penalties. But with the publicity surrounding the UBS case diminishing, Michel is among many observers who believe that the US authorities might soon start to move against the clients of other banks in offshore tax havens. “I suspect there will come a time when the deterrent effect obtained by yet another UBS prosecution will be quite minimal, compared with the splash the IRS and DOJ could achieve by moving after customers of other banks in non-Swiss jurisdictions. That time may in fact be fast approaching,” he said.
 
If European banks want nothing to do with Americans because of the onerous regulations that attach to them then what does it say about regulations within the US itself?

It's hard to believe that the US has become the poster child for over-regulation in the world.

Well since the US offers dual citzenship, just get a passport from another country. Panama or Belize work well.
 
This is also a case where the bad guys make life difficult for the good guys. I'll analogize this to the people suffering in pain that can't get a scrip for enough Oxycontin because of the criminal sales of that drug by unscrupulous Doctors.

Your average, middle-class American doesn't have a Swiss account. They are mostly wealthy tax cheats.

Unfortunately, this will create a problem for overseas residents who are legitimate. How will the US enforce this? I suppose that all these banks do some business in the US.

Quoted from the comment section on the referenced article:


Side note if you are going to bank overseas Panama is your best bet. They dont cowtow to the IRS, quite the opposite in fact. In most other countries your income you make overseas is NOT taxed the US is an exception. I find absurd that we do.
 
Interesting. Thanks for the info. The US is unique in that respect of taxing global income. But what's being addressed here is income that might very well be domestic and taxable and is hidden overseas in The Caymans and Switzerland. I pay all my taxes and have little sympathy for those who don't.

Panama also offers a fabulous deal for US retirees. Just prove you have a SS check and you can get assistance relocating there and bring everything in without import taxes.



Side note if you are going to bank overseas Panama is your best bet. They dont cowtow to the IRS, quite the opposite in fact. In most other countries your income you make overseas is NOT taxed the US is an exception. I find absurd that we do.
 
If European banks want nothing to do with Americans because of the onerous regulations that attach to them then what does it say about regulations within the US itself?

It's hard to believe that the US has become the poster child for over-regulation in the world.

Swiss banks are wary of the US because we don't have shown that a wink and a nod won't keep their criminal accounts in the dark from us forever... and they are pissed that we keep asking them to quit hiding criminal activity. Screw 'em.
 
Swiss banks are wary of the US because we don't have shown that a wink and a nod won't keep their criminal accounts in the dark from us forever... and they are pissed that we keep asking them to quit hiding criminal activity. Screw 'em.

So much for that famous concern liberals have for how the US is seen by the rest of the world. :lol:
 
The US taxes global income due to the protections afforded to US citizens living abroad. Believe me...you DON'T want to give those up. In other words, if, say, you are an english teacher working in China...while you have to follow China's rules, you ARE afforded all the rights of a US citizen. It's kinda like being in a gang. And just about all gangs have dues of some form or another. Ours happens to be taxes.
 
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