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Boy Scouts' 'perversion files' show how scoutmasters accused of molestation

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Boy Scouts' 'perversion files' show how scoutmasters accused of molestation were shielded

PORTLAND, Ore. — Again and again, decade after decade, an array of authorities — police chiefs, prosecutors, pastors and local Boy Scout leaders among them — quietly shielded scoutmasters and others accused of molesting children, a newly opened trove of confidential papers shows.

At the time, those authorities justified their actions as necessary to protect the good name and good works of Scouting, a pillar of 20th-Century America. But as detailed in 14,500 pages of secret "perversion files" released Thursday by order of the Oregon Supreme Court, their maneuvers allowed sexual predators to go free while victims suffered in silence.
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There is a related thread in the Sex and Sexuality forum but this is a news story from today. The story which started the other thread was based on an article about the papers detailing sex crimes committed by Boy Scout leaders and the resulting coverups over the years - now the documents have been released.


way down in the article is the following paragraph
The rate of abuse among Scouts is the not the focus of their critics — it is, rather, their response to allegations of abuse. In the case of the files from 1965 to 1985, most salient is the complicity of local officials in concealing the abuse by Scouts leaders. ... such complicity "was simply quite a natural desire to want to be somewhat protective over" the BSA.
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Somerville said:
headline too long, got snipped

There is a related thread in the Sex and Sexuality forum but this is a news story from today. The story which started the other thread was based on an article about the papers detailing sex crimes committed by Boy Scout leaders and the resulting coverups over the years - now the documents have been released.


way down in the article is the following paragraph
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Some day we will hold these people who cover up this abuse criminally liable for their behavior. Until that's done on a wide and public scale, these scumbags will continue to exploit our children and create new generations of abusers to keep on rollin'.
 
Catholic Church take two.
 
It should be noted that the scouts are a religious organization. Coincidence? You decide. Me? I see a pattern.


I am an eagle scout. A member of the OA, skyuka lodge. I worked at a scout camp for two years, as well. I never once saw any sexual abuse, nor heard about any. This was in SC. I dont think there were/are that many cases...that they were covered up is the major story here. I also wonder if this sort of thing is becoming more prevalent since the Mormons took over...
 
the irony of this.. an organization that openly decries LBGT lifesyle, has a problem with perverts in the ranks..
hmm.. its like ive heard that story time and again..
 
Somerville said:
headline too long, got snipped



There is a related thread in the Sex and Sexuality forum but this is a news story from today. The story which started the other thread was based on an article about the papers detailing sex crimes committed by Boy Scout leaders and the resulting coverups over the years - now the documents have been released.


way down in the article is the following paragraph
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Are we going to prosecute the government officials who knew and helped cover up these crimes?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Are we going to prosecute the government officials who knew and helped cover up these crimes?
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a veiled attempt to defend the BSA? :roll:

Why not give us more details about these "government officials" that you speak of.
 
madman said:
a veiled attempt to defend the BSA? :roll:

Why not give us more details about these "government officials" that you speak of.
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The files detailed that cops, prosecutors, mayors, etc help hide these things.
And no it's not a defense of BSA, they to should be charged with crimes, for any attempt to cover it up.

BBC said:
The Associated Press reports that the dossier shows how scout leaders, police, prosecutors and mayors hushed up numerous allegations of abuse.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19994508
 
The news story that ran on this in my area, cited 3 cases, 2 went to prison and one disappeared.
The files look like internal files looking for patterns of abuse.
The troops I have worked with are all parent run groups.
If a person did not have a child in the troop, or one who had been, they would look out of place.
 
I was a Boy Scout I guess during quite a few years of that period. My scoutmaster was a pretty good outdoors man from who I learned to build a fire under almost any conditions, how to stay dry or get dry, what to eat and what not to, and a love of being in the backwoods of Indiana only an ex wife could beat out of me, and most importantly a self reliance that has lasted my life. I and many others have similar memories of BSA. This coverup is a shame, but just on those who did it.

I can kinda understand the kids not saying anything, and the perverts not wanting to get caught, but what causes full grown adult males, wether at Penn State, the Catholic Church or the BSA think covering up the perverts is the right thing to do? Somehow it seems to me to make them at least as bad as the pedophiles.
 
KevinKohler said:
It should be noted that the scouts are a religious organization. Coincidence? You decide. Me? I see a pattern.


I am an eagle scout. A member of the OA, skyuka lodge. I worked at a scout camp for two years, as well. I never once saw any sexual abuse, nor heard about any. This was in SC. I dont think there were/are that many cases...that they were covered up is the major story here. I also wonder if this sort of thing is becoming more prevalent since the Mormons took over...
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Two doesn't make a pattern. My personal view on why the Catholic church is plagued by abuse is from the celibacy of the priests. I think after years of it, its screws you up in the head. ****, at least rub one out on occasion! I'd wager that there is some degree of this in any organization that masses young boys together. Predators go where the prey is.

As far as the BS's approach to this, completely wrong. Its NEVER a good idea to try to hide abuse such as this, regardless what it does to the reputation of the organization. In fact, think it makes the organization more reputable if they handle it openly and harshly punish the perpetuators.
 
All the more reason to be ever watchful of our children's associates.

Prior to the liberal takeover, when American families were still intact, fathers quietly took care of these things on their own and the authorities had no fear of liberal client group attacks for simply doing their job and protecting decent people. One cannot help but remember the authorities failed to take any action against Jeffrey Dahmer because of their fear of one particular liberal client group lobby.

On a related note, does anyone know at what age a boy is considered adult enough to be approached sexually by "non-pedophile" homosexuals? Certainly it is long before age 18.
 
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Ray410 said:
All the more reason to be ever watchful of our children's associates.

Prior to the liberal takeover, when American families were still intact, fathers quietly took care of these things on their own and the authorities had no fear of liberal client group attacks for simply doing their job and protecting decent people. One cannot help but remember the authorities failed to take any action against Jeffrey Dahmer because of their fear of one particular liberal client group lobby.

On a related note, does anyone know at what age a boy is considered adult enough to be approached sexually by "non-pedophile" homosexuals? Certainly it is long before age 18.
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Ah yes, the age of segregation, rampart homophobia and xenophobia was a staple of every middle class American family in the suburbs. That's the time we should look at - before us liberals took over.
 
Hatuey said:
Ah yes, the age of segregation, rampart homophobia and xenophobia was a staple of every middle class American family in the suburbs. That's the time we should look at - before us liberals took over.
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It all seems pretty quaint now in light of the problems you've created and the enormous numbers of people you've hurt, all without responsibility or concern, doesn't it?
 
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I was a Boy Scout I guess during quite a few years of that period. My scoutmaster was a pretty good outdoors man from who I learned to build a fire under almost any conditions, how to stay dry or get dry, what to eat and what not to, and a love of being in the backwoods of Indiana only an ex wife could beat out of me, and most importantly a self reliance that has lasted my life. I and many others have similar memories of BSA. This coverup is a shame, but just on those who did it.

I can kinda understand the kids not saying anything, and the perverts not wanting to get caught, but what causes full grown adult males, wether at Penn State, the Catholic Church or the BSA think covering up the perverts is the right thing to do? Somehow it seems to me to make them at least as bad as the pedophiles.
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I am conflicted about this. Look at the Penn State thing and you'll see that most of the victims wanted to remain anonymous and they are now adults. Kids are horribly mean and if you went after the abusers in a lot of places everybody would know the name of the victim in pretty short order which might drive them over the cliff the abuse pushed them onto the ledge of. I would have to know more details on a case by case basis whether the BSA, law enforcement had good intentions or bad intentions and what the parents/victims positions were.
 
Ray410 said:
It all seems pretty quaint now in light of the problems you've created and the enormous numbers of people you've hurt, all without responsibility or concern, doesn't it?
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Hahahaha. No, no - not quaint. Ridiculous.
 
I dont understand what you are saying. Is it you think that before all the liberals "took over" there were fewer homosexuals so there were less problems?
Ray410 said:
It all seems pretty quaint now in light of the problems you've created and the enormous numbers of people you've hurt, all without responsibility or concern, doesn't it?
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Ray410 said:
All the more reason to be ever watchful of our children's associates.

Prior to the liberal takeover, when American families were still intact, fathers quietly took care of these things on their own and the authorities had no fear of liberal client group attacks for simply doing their job and protecting decent people. One cannot help but remember the authorities failed to take any action against Jeffrey Dahmer because of their fear of one particular liberal client group lobby.
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Yeah, funny how the records go back to those imaginary days when "American families were still intact" and show similar patterns of behaviour as the present days of societal breakdown. (/sarcasm)

On a related note, does anyone know at what age a boy is considered adult enough to be approached sexually by "non-pedophile" homosexuals? Certainly it is long before age 18.
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Why are you focusing on gays? Your question would be more accurate if you had written: "... does anyone know at what age a child, male or female, is considered adult enough to be approached sexually by "non-pedophile" sexual predators? Certainly it is long before age 18"

What do you consider "long before"? Most predators who focus on teens want a sexually mature but emotionally immature and insecure target.
 
WhyteRash said:
the irony of this.. an organization that openly decries LBGT lifesyle, has a problem with perverts in the ranks..
hmm.. its like ive heard that story time and again..
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Hypocrisy at its finest. Kick out the homosexuals, leave the pedophiles. MUST be a church organization. And the Baptist give the Catholics a run for their money on harboring and hiding pedophiles.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Hypocrisy at its finest. Kick out the homosexuals, leave the pedophiles. MUST be a church organization. And the Baptist give the Catholics a run for their money on harboring and hiding pedophiles.
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It wasn't always religious types, here in Florida, forensic archaeologists are working at the site of a state run reform school, investigating the deaths of boys who were held there

Florida's Dozier School For Boys: A True Horror Story]

Over the past decade, hundreds of men have come forward to tell gruesome stories of abuse and terrible beatings they suffered at Florida's Dozier School for Boys, a notorious, state-run institution that closed last year after more than a century.

Known as the "White House Boys," these 300-some men were sent as boys to the reform school in the small panhandle town of Mariana in the 1950s and 1960s. They have joined together over the years to tell their stories of the violence administered in a small building on the school's grounds they knew as the White House.

Some 81 boys are known to have died there, but where their remains are buried is a mystery that researchers are now trying to solve.
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Please note that this abuse took place back in those days before "libruls destroyed the social fabric"
 
Somerville said:
It wasn't always religious types, here in Florida, forensic archaeologists are working at the site of a state run reform school, investigating the deaths of boys who were held there



Please note that this abuse took place back in those days before "libruls destroyed the social fabric"
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Yup.

Look at juvenile detention centers run now by corporations.

Feds: Mississippi county runs 'school-to-prison pipeline' - CNN.com

Officials in Lauderdale County, Mississippi, have operated "a school-to-prison pipeline" that violates the constitutional rights of juveniles by incarcerating them for alleged school disciplinary infractions, some as minor as defiance, the U.S. Department of Justice said Friday.

"Students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities," the Justice Department said.

The federal agency's civil rights division seeks "meaningful negotiations" in 60 days to end the constitutional violations or else a federal lawsuit would be filed against state, county and local officials in Meridian, according to a Justice Department letter dated Friday to those officials.
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Locked Inside A Nightmare - CBS News

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But Sara didn't find the promised counseling at the Coke County facility. Some counseling sessions were being run by the guards. It didn't seem there was much concern for the education of the girls either; Sara was promoted through three grades of high school in just six months. Even worse, Wackenhut's all-girl prison was mostly staffed by men.

Sara eventually told her sister, Jenny, that one of the guards raped her almost every night. "He would take her in the next cell and molest her every night," Jenny says. "She was in fear for (her) life, because he would tell her, 'I will, I'm going to kill your sister and your mom if you tell anybody.'"

In time, Sara's mother found out. The Lowes filed suit against Wackenhut, alleging widespread, systematic sexual assault of the girls in the Texas detention center. The suit would launch an investigation, pitting the story of a deeply troubled teen-age girl against a $2 billion company.


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So much for godly right winger states overseeing the treatment of children.
 
Somerville said:
But don't you know that privatisation is always better than using the government? :censored What I would like to post is definitely a no-no
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"Free market". Yeah, that god worship thing of the rich is sure bringing down our standard of living.
 
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