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French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

so you made that **** up
you have no data to establish the graph
very credible of you [/s]
I told you that I gave the assumptions. He can question the assumptions if he wants. If you don't understand how the assumptions are related to the graph, don't comment.
 
France is becoming more and more of a joke tier country every day.

Come salute my Eiffel Toower. She's more than a hundeed years old. Bitch
 
French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms





I really don't know what to write. Is this even real? Are you freaking kidding me?

Hollande wants to punish kids for having involved parents out of "fairness"?

So is he going to ban parenting next? It's really no more absurd than banning homework.

No, what do you go to school for if they can't teach you what you need to learn in school, but you have to do it all by yourself at home?

A homework ban is a good logical thing, it is like banning overtime for workers who do nothing at their regular work hours.
 
No, what do you go to school for if they can't teach you what you need to learn in school, but you have to do it all by yourself at home?

A homework ban is a good logical thing, it is like banning overtime for workers who do nothing at their regular work hours.
There are no one at university that will be around to make sure you work. And many employees need to bring some work home or learn extra material.

Schools are not only supposed to teach you some knowledge. Schools are mainly used to prepare kids for adult life.
 
French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms





I really don't know what to write. Is this even real? Are you freaking kidding me?

Hollande wants to punish kids for having involved parents out of "fairness"?

So is he going to ban parenting next? It's really no more absurd than banning homework.

This is idiotic. If you're concerned about some children getting homework help that the others don't, the solution is to ****ing give them help with their homework, not to screw over every single child by removing an important part of their educational experience. Don't get me wrong, I hated homework just as much as the next kid when I was in school, but it's a useful teaching tool, and it promotes diligence and hard work (in addition to getting kids to learn more stuff more quickly).
 
I told you that I gave the assumptions. He can question the assumptions if he wants. If you don't understand how the assumptions are related to the graph, don't comment.

that was a dishonest post
and dishonest posts deserve being questioned and criticized
so i will continue to comment, especially when observing such dishonesty
 
No, what do you go to school for if they can't teach you what you need to learn in school, but you have to do it all by yourself at home?

A homework ban is a good logical thing, it is like banning overtime for workers who do nothing at their regular work hours.
while i appreciate your simile, it is without logic

banning homework is like banning overtime despite the reality that regular hours are inadequate to accomplish the task
 
that was a dishonest post
and dishonest posts deserve being questioned and criticized
so i will continue to comment, especially when observing such dishonesty
No it is not dishonest. It is just you who came with a stupid comment. Maybe next you should try to think before you attack head first.

I gave the assumptions. The graph is based on those assumptions. If you believe those assumptions are wrong, then I am willing to take that debate. But if you just state that I made it up, then you lack an understanding of how the assumptions are related to the graph.
 
No it is not dishonest. It is just you who came with a stupid comment. Maybe next you should try to think before you attack head first.

I gave the assumptions. The graph is based on those assumptions. If you believe those assumptions are wrong, then I am willing to take that debate. But if you state that I made it up, then you lack an understanding of how the assumptions are related to the graph.

that graph was absolutely dishonest
you first posted it without telling us it was your own fabrication
and that it had absolutely no factual data to support it
but i can understand - without any sympathy - why someone would whine when their dishonest posts are called out
 
that graph was absolutely dishonest
you first posted it without telling us it was your own fabrication
and that it had absolutely no factual data to support it
but i can understand - without any sympathy - why someone would whine when their dishonest posts are called out

Actually if you had an understanding of the graph and what I was trying to tell, you would have understood that I created the chart.

Why would I need to get a chart from somewhere when it is directly based on some assumptions? Use your brain. You are not calling anyone out, you are just making a fool out of yourself.
 
Now how many people can honestly say that there was never a school project assignment given where somebody didn't walk in with a project that looked like a professional did them?
 
Actually if you had an understanding of the graph and what I was trying to tell, you would have understood that I created the chart.
No, I didn't understand that at first, not until I asked.

Why would I need to get a chart from somewhere when it is directly based on some assumptions? Use your brain. You are not calling anyone out, you are just making a fool out of yourself.
Can you link to those specific assumptions? Your graph may well be consistent with them, but I would like to see if I can verify those assumptions. I do question the X axis and where the parabola peaks, and I'd like to know the values placed on the Y axis; to what do they refer.

The question you didn't answer was, "What is your data set?" On what research did you base that graph? There seems to be a logical basis for it, one would expect returns on increasing study hours would plot a parabola, but I suspect it might look somewhat different to yours.
 
No, I didn't understand that at first, not until I asked.
Well at least you understood when you asked.

Can you link to those specific assumptions? Your graph may well be consistent with them, but I would like to see if I can verify those assumptions. I do question the X axis and where the parabola peaks, and I'd like to know the values placed on the Y axis; to what do they refer.

The question you didn't answer was, "What is your data set?" On what research did you base that graph? There seems to be a logical basis for it, one would expect returns on increasing study hours would plot a parabola, but I suspect it might look somewhat different to yours.

These are my assumptions. The numbers are derived, but only because it is impossible to find real numbers, as there are no studies on how much students learn with certain amount of hours. The reason I created it was to give a better representation of why it is good to reduce from 50 to 40 hours per week, but bad to reduce from 30 hours to 20 hours.

You can propose changes to it if you want, and if I don't find it too unreasonable I will draw it, but I believe it is quite right. While students may get more tired, they can also get tired by doing non school related stuff such as staying up too late playing games and if classes are spread too far apart then it is easy to forget. Also, evidence show that students who work a lot of hours do better than students who don't, but the difference is not that large.

Assumptions are below.
Sure I can do that. Let's say 100 is full learning speed. And this is how much you learn per hour on average.
0H: 100
10H: 90
20H: 80
30H: 70
40H: 60
50H: 50
60H: 40
70H: 30

I will assume an average french student does 5 hours of homework each week. Although, I haven't taken it into account, but homework also helps students become more independent. Your boss or teacher are not always going to be around.
 
Well at least you understood when you asked.
Indeed. Had you been just trolling you would not have fessed up to having created the graph yourself. I accept that entirely.



These are my assumptions. The numbers are derived, but only because it is impossible to find real numbers, as there are no studies on how much students learn with certain amount of hours. The reason I created it was to give a better representation of why it is good to reduce from 50 to 40 hours per week, but bad to reduce from 30 hours to 20 hours.

You can propose changes to it if you want, and if I don't find it too unreasonable I will draw it, but I believe it is quite right. While students may get more tired, they can also get tired by doing non school related stuff such as staying up too late playing games and if classes are spread too far apart then it is easy to forget. Also, evidence show that students who work a lot of hours do better than students who don't, but the difference is not that large.

Assumptions are below.

Yes, I didn't understand that list of values; the declining percentages set against number of hours. What made you ascribe those values and how do they apply to the graph? What are those values on the Y axis, btw?

I would challenge, as I did, the position of the peak of the parabola at 50+ hours. I might accept that at graduate, or even under-graduate level, not at age 15.

Still, a useful and interesting exercise. I'm going to do some study and see if I can find research data to back up both your and my theories.
 
Indeed. Had you been just trolling you would not have fessed up to having created the graph yourself. I accept that entirely.
:)

Yes, I didn't understand that list of values; the declining percentages set against number of hours. What made you ascribe those values and how do they apply to the graph? What are those values on the Y axis, btw?
I set 100 to be "full speed", so how much a student will learn if they have one hour of classes. The values represent how much they actually learn per hour if they work a certain amount of hours. For instance if they work 50 hours, then the actual output per hour is half of what they would do if they only had 1 hour.


I would challenge, as I did, the position of the peak of the parabola at 50+ hours. I might accept that at graduate, or even under-graduate level, not at age 15.
Actually my experience is that teens are better at working longer hours than adults are. We get tired, and get headaches. Kids/teens generally don't. They are doing very long hours in Shanghai, but Shanghai crushed all competition. If the peak was at for instance 40 hours, then Chinese kids should do worse as it is normal to do about 60 hours per week.

Still, a useful and interesting exercise. I'm going to do some study and see if I can find research data to back up both your and my theories.
Sounds good.
 
while i appreciate your simile, it is without logic

banning homework is like banning overtime despite the reality that regular hours are inadequate to accomplish the task

Interesting, then this becomes like a project management issue, where instead of matching the demand with resources, they just steal some ... called "time" (of people who are easier recyclable).
 
Interesting, then this becomes like a project management issue, where instead of matching the demand with resources, they just steal some ... called "time" (of people who are easier recyclable).

Explain how one would "steal" time.
 
The French hardly register in the US, or anywhere else for that matter. They're a minor player.

As I have stated to PeteEU before, I have no hate towards France. I don't hate a country with nice weather, beautiful women, and really good food,.

However, that does not mean I will never criticize France when they do stupid stuff. I promise, if US ever implement a 75% tax rate or ban homework, I will criticize US too. And in fact I already do, but on different cases such as immigration, corruption, unions and the electoral vote system. In fact I am probably nicer to France than the US, because France has just as much corruptions as the US, but I have never mentioned it.
 
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