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French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

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French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms

He doesn’t think it is fair that some kids get help from their parents at home while children who come from disadvantaged families don’t. It’s an issue that goes well beyond France, and has been part of the reason that some Americans oppose homework too.

"Education is priority,” Hollande was quoted as saying by France24.com at Paris’s Sorbonne University last week. “An education program is, by definition, a societal program. Work should be done at school, rather than at home,” as a way to ensure that students who have no help at home are not disadvantaged.

I really don't know what to write. Is this even real? Are you freaking kidding me?

Hollande wants to punish kids for having involved parents out of "fairness"?

So is he going to ban parenting next? It's really no more absurd than banning homework.
 
Not a single opinion about banning homework because it favors kids with involved parents?
 
How does this "solution" address the root problem, which is obviously un-involved parents?
 
How does this "solution" address the root problem, which is obviously un-involved parents?

Exactly, let's ignore the real problem, and just take away the advantage of the other kids.

If I would have told you 15 years ago that one day a world leader would suggest banning homework for this reason, what would you have said?

Maybe I'm alone on this, but it completely blows me away.
 
I like this. I hope this goes through. Then I can say Stupid french! Add to that, a country of poorly educated people are NOT gonna be very competitive for jobs. Now they're handicapped down to OUR level. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
 
I like this. I hope this goes through. Then I can say Stupid french! Add to that, a country of poorly educated people are NOT gonna be very competitive for jobs. Now they're handicapped down to OUR level. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Hey, those are the hardest working, 4 day-a-week, 5-hour-a-day people on the planet.

They work harder and more hours than even the Californians.
 
talk about giving the loosing team a trophy.....this is political correctness at its best...or should I say worst. This guy is NUTS! the stuff he comes up with makes ya go HMMMMM....also makes me glad I don't live in France. I have talked to parents here that say that they don't like HW not because of the kids that don't have anyone to help them with it but because they are in school all day then have to come home and work more instead of having time to be kids.....I myself am all for HW....not hrs of it but enough to practice what they learned in class. I;m sure the students in France are happy campers not having to do HW....however if it were my kids...I would make up work for them to do regardless.....it has been shown that those that do their homework excel much better with grades and those that don't do worse...unless they are really smart and can avoid it.
 
when i heard this i assumed it was another fabricated headline from the onion

it will be years before those grateful kids are old enough to vote for him


hell of a strategy to get ahead: do less work
 
when i heard this i assumed it was another fabricated headline from the onion

it will be years before those grateful kids are old enough to vote for him


hell of a strategy to get ahead: do less work


I don't know if the kids who doesn't want to study will be happy. It seems instead that is student that want to study that will be happy. Because he will increase already relative long attendacne in school. Meaning that children get more education time with qualified teacher. Instead of maybe lone study time with homework because their parents don't have the time to help out. That at the same time the goals is to decrease absenteeism. So I don't understand why people see this as something negative. Escpecially sens their is nothing forbiding parents to still help out their children after school.

Hollande’s reform plans include increasing the number of teachers, moving the school week from four days to 4 1/2 days, overhauling the curriculum and taking steps to cut down on absenteeism
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Despite the four-day school week, elementary school children in France spend more hours a year in school than many other developed countries because students are there all day, starting at 8:30 a.m. and ending at 4:30 p.m., with some kids staying even later.
 
French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms





I really don't know what to write. Is this even real? Are you freaking kidding me?

Hollande wants to punish kids for having involved parents out of "fairness"?

So is he going to ban parenting next? It's really no more absurd than banning homework.

French children are in school longer hours than most countries. Their daily school time is at minimum.. some even more.. from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm on a week day. Burnout rates are quite high according to many.. just saying. They are also looking into expanding number of days (less vacation).

On top of that the quality of teachers is extremely high, since bad teachers are actually kicked out.. I know shock horror.

The French higher education system is also extremely harsh when compared to other countries.. longer hours, more exams, higher requirements and so on.
 
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French children are in school longer hours than most countries. Their daily school time is at minimum.. some even more.. from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm on a week day. Burnout rates are quite high according to many.. just saying. They are also looking into expanding number of days (less vacation).

On top of that the quality of teachers is extremely high, since bad teachers are actually kicked out.. I know shock horror.

The French higher education system is also extremely harsh when compared to other countries.. longer hours, more exams, higher requirements and so on.

All evidenced by the amazing accomplishments of French scientists, business people, and innovators.

LOL, please.
 
Education is important and a priority....

So instead of helping those kids that don't get help from their parents, we're instead going to make it so that no one gets help from their parents.

....because that makes sense in terms of helping better education.

Those dastardly parents, being greedy and unfair by spending time helping their kids.
 
All evidenced by the amazing accomplishments of French scientists, business people, and innovators.

LOL, please.

Louis Pasteur. Marie Curie.

Granted it was long ago. Just saying they are great French scientists.

They managed to build Airbus (in cooperation with others). Sodexho food service is also a large French business.

So they have achieved in science and business. I'm not saying you're wrong about homework and Hollande, but to say there are no French accomplishments in science or business is wrong.
 
All evidenced by the amazing accomplishments of French scientists, business people, and innovators.

LOL, please.

What the hell does that have to do with it? I was just pointing out that on average French children are in school far longer than most other western industrialised nations.

As for your comment about the French.. typical arrogant bull**** from an American.
 
What the hell does that have to do with it? I was just pointing out that on average French children are in school far longer than most other western industrialised nations.

As for your comment about the French.. typical arrogant bull**** from an American.

8-4 is about standard for school, don't know what you're really talking about there. All you have here is nothing more than your standard "I hate America!" attitude which I have yet to see you go 1 thread without indulging.
 
What the hell does that have to do with it? I was just pointing out that on average French children are in school far longer than most other western industrialised nations.

As for your comment about the French.. typical arrogant bull**** from an American.

My kids go to school from 8-3:30, then it's two hours soccer practice, and 2-3 hours of homework, along with about 5+ hours of homework on the weekend along with league games and other activity.

My kids are like most kids in America. There's nothing exceptional about these French kids, other than it looks like their nights and weekends are about to be free of homework.
 
Louis Pasteur. Marie Curie.

Granted it was long ago. Just saying they are great French scientists.

They managed to build Airbus (in cooperation with others). Sodexho food service is also a large French business.

So they have achieved in science and business. I'm not saying you're wrong about homework and Hollande, but to say there are no French accomplishments in science or business is wrong.

No doubt, France used to be great. As was England. That was before they began fading into afterthoughts, France much moreso than England.

And we're starting to see the initial start of that here in America, too.
 
8-4 is about standard for school, don't know what you're really talking about there. All you have here is nothing more than your standard "I hate America!" attitude which I have yet to see you go 1 thread without indulging.

I have gone to an American school, a British school and a Danish school. It has nothing to do with "anti-Americanism". In the American school we started at 8 and was let out at 2pm. In the British school we started 8 and were let out at 3:30 to 4. The Danish school was 8 to 3.

And in the French schools, the children start at 8:30 to 4:30 in the afternoon... like it or not that is a significant difference.
 
My kids go to school from 8-3:30, then it's two hours soccer practice, and 2-3 hours of homework, along with about 5+ hours of homework on the weekend along with league games and other activity.

My kids are like most kids in America. There's nothing exceptional about these French kids, other than it looks like their nights and weekends are about to be free of homework.

In other words, French kids are more in school than yours.

Edit: In fact I was wrong...

http://www.france24.com/en/20121010...dren-no-more-homework-education-reform-france

French children’s test scores are above the European average, but they suffer some of the longest working days on the continent, leaving school only at 5pm or 6pm.

So it is even longer than I thought.
 
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In other words, French kids are more in school than yours.

No, because that's just class time. Sports, band, and other activities are after school (not including club sports). And our kids get a half hour for lunch only.

The great minds of the world are not coming out of France. And that rare innovative bird from there gets out and comes to America or elsewhere to pursue their ambitions.
 
I have gone to an American school, a British school and a Danish school. It has nothing to do with "anti-Americanism". In the American school we started at 8 and was let out at 2pm. In the British school we started 8 and were let out at 3:30 to 4. The Danish school was 8 to 3.

And in the French schools, the children start at 8:30 to 4:30 in the afternoon... like it or not that is a significant difference.

Where were you, in California? LOL
 
I have gone to an American school, a British school and a Danish school. It has nothing to do with "anti-Americanism". In the American school we started at 8 and was let out at 2pm. In the British school we started 8 and were let out at 3:30 to 4. The Danish school was 8 to 3.

And in the French schools, the children start at 8:30 to 4:30 in the afternoon... like it or not that is a significant difference.

Not sure where you went to school then. 8-4 is the standard school day. The only thing I would change about our school system would be to eliminate summer vacation and go to a trimester year.
 
No, because that's just class time. Sports, band, and other activities are after school (not including club sports). And our kids get a half hour for lunch only.

Again you dont get it.. btw I edited after you quoted.

France's Hollande promises pupils

They are in school from 8:30 to 5 to 6pm in the afternoon, and THEN there is football and homework on top of that...

So no matter how you slice and dice it, French kids are in school far longer than American kids.

The only thing that has changed is that French kids are only in school 4 days a week due to cost cuts under Sarkozy and that will be changed back to 4 and half days.

The great minds of the world are not coming out of France. And that rare innovative bird from there gets out and comes to America or elsewhere to pursue their ambitions.

I would answer this but I might get banned.. Your comments go against the facts, pure and simple.
 
French children are in school longer hours than most countries. Their daily school time is at minimum.. some even more.. from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm on a week day. Burnout rates are quite high according to many.. just saying. They are also looking into expanding number of days (less vacation).

On top of that the quality of teachers is extremely high, since bad teachers are actually kicked out.. I know shock horror.

The French higher education system is also extremely harsh when compared to other countries.. longer hours, more exams, higher requirements and so on.
That may all be true, but artificially hindering the progress of students who can and do do well is simply discrimination in its own right.

Plus, when people grow up to become world famous in their fields... and France has had their share in history, no doubt... it is precisely BECAUSE those individuals who could and would were allowed to excel, not because everybody in society was unnaturally manufactured to be the same.
 
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