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Quran Burning Pastor Barred From Entry Into Canada [W:73]

Jonsa said:
Excuse me? habeus corpus isn't a civil right? unlimited detention isn't a violation of civil rights? spying on american citizens isn't a violation of civil rights?

What do you think the Patriot act is?
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Habeus Corpus has been suspended? American citizens have been unlawfully detained? American citizens were spied on? Never knew any of that took place.

What do you think The Patriot Act is?
 
Grant said:
He was not allowed to speak in Canada so we don't know whether he's a looney or not.

He is "technically" a criminal? How so?
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He was allowed to speak in the U.S. and he is a looney there. He was charged with fraudulently using the title doctor.
 
Grant said:
The "Constituents" decided that the government should put limits on their free speech? When was that?
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Depends which province you are in, Google it.
 
apdst said:
Soon as you start giving the government too much power, they'll start making laws with less and less input from their constituents.
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There is still the supreme courts, the fact they would be destroyed politically, and just the fact that in the decades those have existed nothing has happened.
 
0bserver92 said:
There is still the supreme courts, the fact they would be destroyed politically, and just the fact that in the decades those have existed nothing has happened.
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The supreme court isn't an elected body.
 
0bserver92 said:
He was allowed to speak in the U.S. and he is a looney there. He was charged with fraudulently using the title doctor.
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He was fined, in Germany, for using the title, "doctor". Purdy much a misdemeanor.
 
apdst said:
The supreme court isn't an elected body.
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If you want elected there is the house which is our primary legislature, an amendment of the constitutions must have I believe 60% of the vote in the house to pass.
 
0bserver92 said:
Still has a criminal record.
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A misdemeanor isn't a, "criminal", record. A speeding ticket is a misdemeanor. Anyone with a driver's lices has had a moving violation, at least once.
 
Jonsa said:
that was the human rights commission. Its not a judicial prosecution and the dude adjudicating it ain't a judge. Its a travesty that is slowly getting fixed as the crazier commissioners are fired and the public gets more indignant. Neither Levant nor Steyn should have had to go thru that crap.

I happen to think steyn is a racist and levant is seriously anti-muslim, but expressing their opinions isn't remotely a human rights violation against some pansy assed citizen. (it only takes one complaint to get drawn into this absurd "legal" quagmire).
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It is a commission which is empowered by the government and can mete out penalties, so it's a legal prosecution. But at least you agree that it was wrong.
 
apdst said:
A misdemeanor isn't a, "criminal", record. A speeding ticket is a misdemeanor. Anyone with a driver's lices has had a moving violation, at least once.
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You can argue with the border guards.
 
apdst said:
A misdemeanor isn't a, "criminal", record. A speeding ticket is a misdemeanor. Anyone with a driver's lices has had a moving violation, at least once.
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Jones was deported for abusing his congregation.. He's like a Jim Jones cultist.
 
sharon said:
Jones was deported for abusing his congregation.. He's like a Jim Jones cultist.
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Do you have a link? All I can find is that Jones was fined for the doctor title thing.

Jim Jones was a Lefty, so I'm thinking that Terry has much in common with him.
 
apdst said:
Do you have a link? All I can find is that Jones was fined for the doctor title thing.

Jim Jones was a Lefty, so I'm thinking that Terry has much in common with him.
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US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."

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'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother," while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Islamophobe's Past in Germany: Terry Jones Accused of 'Spiritual Abuse' at Cologne Church - SPIEGEL ONLINE
 
apdst said:
Soon as you start giving the government too much power, they'll start making laws with less and less input from their constituents.
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Luckily the Canadian people voted in a truly Conservative government and they are scaling back a lot of these liberal excesses.
 
sharon said:
US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."

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'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother," while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Islamophobe's Past in Germany: Terry Jones Accused of 'Spiritual Abuse' at Cologne Church - SPIEGEL ONLINE
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I guess I missed the part where he got deported from Germany. Perhaps you could point it out to me?
 
0bserver92 said:
He was allowed to speak in the U.S. and he is a looney there. He was charged with fraudulently using the title doctor.
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He was charged with fraudulently using the title doctor??? And that makes him a criminal?

Being looney is certainly not a crime, otherwise Leftists would not be walking free.
 
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The xenophobic whine is powerful strong in this thread...
 
sharon said:
Jones was deported for abusing his congregation.. He's like a Jim Jones cultist.
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Weren't you one of Obama's Kool Aid drinkers who bought the story that attacks and murders in Libya were all because of an obscure youtube video?
 
Grant said:
The "Constituents" decided that the government should put limits on their free speech? When was that?
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Input from the public in drafting the charter of rights and freedoms. We repatriated our constitution from the UK in 1982. Establishing the charter was part of that long and drawn out political and public process.
 
apdst said:
I guess I missed the part where he got deported from Germany. Perhaps you could point it out to me?
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I don't know about work permit laws in Germany.. Do you?

In the US.. if your work visa expires you have to leave.. So much for your attempts at clever "gotcha".
 
sharon said:
I don't know about work permit laws in Germany.. Do you?

In the US.. if your work visa expires you have to leave.. So much for your attempts at clever "gotcha".
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You said he was deported. I asked for a link. Your link said NOTHING about any deportation.

It's your fail...not mine. Care to just admit that you made it up, just to stir the pot?
 
Jonsa said:
Input from the public in drafting the charter of rights and freedoms. We repatriated our constitution from the UK in 1982. Establishing the charter was part of that long and drawn out political and public process.
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What "input from the public"?

Trudeau forced all of that through and the result has been an unelected Supreme Court, appointed by the PM, that makes its decision on the fashion of the day, nor for the long term liberty and freedoms of Canadians. The 'notwithstanding clause' negates the entire thing anyway.
 
apdst said:
Habeus Corpus has been suspended? American citizens have been unlawfully detained? American citizens were spied on? Never knew any of that took place.

What do you think The Patriot Act is?
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Sorry, suspension of Habeus corpus has been extended indefinitely as of Nov/11 in a provision of National Defence Authorization Act. It was first introduced in 2006.(Mea Culpa)

Reform the Patriot Act - Surveillance, Privacy, and National Security Law Since 9/11 | American Civil Liberties Union

Section 215 of the Patriot Act authorizes the government to obtain "any tangible thing" relevant to a terrorism investigation, even if there is no showing that the "thing" pertains to suspected terrorists or terrorist activities. This provision is contrary to traditional notions of search and seizure, which require the government to show reasonable suspicion or probable cause before undertaking an investigation that infringes upon a person's privacy. Congress must ensure that things collected with this power have a meaningful nexus to suspected terrorist activity or it should be allowed to expire.

Section 206 of the Patriot Act, also known as "roving John Doe wiretap" provision, permits the government to obtain intelligence surveillance orders that identify neither the person nor the facility to be tapped. This provision is contrary to traditional notions of search and seizure, which require government to state with particularity what it seeks to search or seize. Section 206 should be amended to mirror similar and longstanding criminal laws that permit roving wiretaps, but require the naming of a specific target. Otherwise, it should expire.

The bill also fails to amend other portions of the Patriot Act in dire need of reform, most notably those relating to the issuance and use of national security letters (NSLs). NSLs permit the government to obtain the communication, financial and credit records of anyone deemed relevant to a terrorism investigation even if that person is not suspected of unlawful behavior. Numerous Department of Justice Inspector General reports have confirmed that tens of thousands of these letters are issued every year and they are used to collect information on people two and three times removed from a terrorism suspect
 
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