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Under Obama, Poor, Middle Class Incomes Fall Sharply

Questions:

What event or events caused the economy to crash?

When did those events begin and how long did they last...up to the time (month and year) that the crash was obvious?
 
American said:
A recession was happening right when Bush took office too, so what? I'll tell you what hits people right in the wallet.

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You don't understand how commodity prices change during recessions, or what inflation is, or what supply and demand is. Talking about what gas cost the day Obama took office compared to today ignores every single thing about economics. But youre certainly right that people don't like having to pay more for gas, but blaming Obama or the government is completely silly.

And yes Bush entered office during a recession as did Obama, of course if we remember that not all recessions are the same then that point is completely meaningless. Or do I have to explain that some recessions are bigger than others, and some recessions affect more things than others?
 
Guy Incognito said:
No contradiction. I don't want government BANNING it. TD is perfectly ok with banning therapeutic or reproductive cloning outright to save himself a few bucks on taxes. I am not; this does not mean I support government funding of research, we need to end all of that ****. Keep the government out of science altogether, both regulation and funding.
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an idiotic interpretation of what I said. I don't think the government has the proper power under the constitution to ban such things

Your populist rantings and welfare socialist hatred of those who oppose income redistribution is an amusing libertarian position though
 
Ikari said:
This is essentially one of the goals of the Republocrats, establishing an actual aristocracy through massive wealth imbalance and stunting/eliminating economic mobility.
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some of us believe that giving the government the improper power to prevent wealth imbalance is far more pernicious and far more unfair than a system that allows the industrious to rise to the top
 
TurtleDude said:
an idiotic interpretation of what I said. I don't think the government has the proper power under the constitution to ban such things

Your populist rantings and welfare socialist hatred of those who oppose income redistribution is an amusing libertarian position though
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If you truly support cloning research then you would support justices who support cloning research. You don't, so you clearly are ok with big government banning cloning research. Typical of a crypto-fascist who likes to pretend he's a libertarian.:shrug:
 
Guy Incognito said:
If you truly support cloning research then you would support justices who support cloning research.
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Do that with a few issues, and one must support all justices, thus none.
 
Guy Incognito said:
If you truly support cloning research then you would support justices who support cloning research. You don't, so you clearly are ok with big government banning cloning research. Typical of a crypto-fascist who likes to pretend he's a libertarian.:shrug:
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You seem to not understand the concept of a limited federal government

that is an issue that should never be before the supreme court to start with
 
TurtleDude said:
some of us believe that giving the government the improper power to prevent wealth imbalance is far more pernicious and far more unfair than a system that allows the industrious to rise to the top
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Yes, but that has nothing to do with what I said. While government trying to "fairly redistribute" wealth is a very dangerous tool for them to wield, wielding it in such a way as to promote wealth disparity is as bad, if not worse.
 
TurtleDude said:
You seem to not understand the concept of a limited federal government

that is an issue that should never be before the supreme court to start with
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It shouldn't but it will. Any conservative activists like Scalia are salivating to uphold any ban the comes before them. The next generation of justices are going to be so important to the aasvancent of science and medicine that it is a moral imperative that they be liberal or libertarian.

But what do you care, right? You value money more.
 
ecofarm said:
What did you mean by 'justices'?
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SCOTUS justices. It is imperative that the balance of the Court tip liberal to strike down the inevitable bans on human cloning that are coming down the pike in the next twenty to thirty years.
 
Ikari said:
Yes, but that has nothing to do with what I said. While government trying to "fairly redistribute" wealth is a very dangerous tool for them to wield, wielding it in such a way as to promote wealth disparity is as bad, if not worse.
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a lassiez faire system would lead to about the same disparities as now.
 
Guy Incognito said:
It shouldn't but it will. Any conservative activists like Scalia are salivating to uphold any ban the comes before them. The next generation of justices are going to be so important to the aasvancent of science and medicine that it is a moral imperative that they be liberal or libertarian.

But what do you care, right? You value money more.
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I value the freedom to keep what I earn. You seem to crave the wealth of others and try to excuse parasitic behavior
 
Guy Incognito said:
SCOTUS justices. It is imperative that the balance of the Court tip liberal to strike down the inevitable bans on human cloning that are coming down the pike in the next twenty to thirty years.
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what a moronic and obscure reason to demand more socialism, more income redistribution and more anti success
 
Guy Incognito said:
It shouldn't but it will. Any conservative activists like Scalia are salivating to uphold any ban the comes before them. The next generation of justices are going to be so important to the aasvancent of science and medicine that it is a moral imperative that they be liberal or libertarian.

But what do you care, right? You value money more.
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The worship of Mammon above all things is an ancient disease that mankind has never been able to cure itself of.
 
haymarket said:
The worship of Mammon above all things is an ancient disease that mankind has never been able to cure itself of.
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I don't know who this Mammon clown is that you constantly invoke but I know Obama covets the wealth of successful people so he can use that money to pander to and buy the votes of his parasitic followers. That appears to be the word case of worshipping this Mammon myth
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't know who this Mammon clown is that you constantly invoke but I know Obama covets the wealth of successful people so he can use that money to pander to and buy the votes of his parasitic followers. That appears to be the word case of worshipping this Mammon myth
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I will be happy to help educate you on a gap in your knowledge

Mammon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mammon is referred to in the New Testament to describe material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity, and sometimes included in the seven princes of Hell.
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The worship of Mammon has been around going back thousands of years.
 
TurtleDude said:
what a moronic and obscure reason to demand more socialism, more income redistribution and more anti success
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Who gives a **** about money? Who cares if it's redistributes or I'd it accumulates in the hands of a few aristocratic families like your parents? It's unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Only human beings matter. Their health matters. You are willing to put life-saving research on indefinitely hold so you can keep a few extra pennies? Does that make you proud?
 
Guy Incognito said:
Who gives a **** about money? Who cares if it's redistributes or I'd it accumulates in the hands of a few aristocratic families like your parents? It's unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Only human beings matter. Their health matters. You are willing to put life-saving research on indefinitely hold so you can keep a few extra pennies? Does that make you proud?
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Your fixation on something that is a very thin slice of American jurisprudence and which should never be a concern of the supreme court is idiotic. Your claims about me are the usual idiocy that permeate your contrarian heavy and intellectually bankrupt posts. I have always supported medical research which is why several million of my investment partnership money is in medical and pharmaceutical concerns.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Your lord is money.
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Wrong-because I have money I am a lord:mrgreen:

Its called the Golden Rule -if you have the gold you get to make the rules
 
TurtleDude said:
Wrong-because I have money I am a lord:mrgreen:

Its called the Golden Rule -if you have the gold you get to make the rules
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Don't you see, you said it right there. Money is your idol. You worship it. You think it gives you power, but you serve it.
 
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