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Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

Now, don't be bigoted, Djoop. Killing Buddhists is a peaceful act.

Learn it.

Parroting my language shows how deeply I have struck a nerve. Perhaps, just perhaps, this conversation will propt you to examine your conscience. I pray that it does.
 
I pray that it does.

So THAT'S why you object to my showing you some of the stark difference between the messages of Jesus and Mohammad.

It's because you are so devout. :roll:
 
and that tis what you get from my telling the truth about Mohammad's instructions on how to decapitate?

Have you ever considered rationality as an alternative to simply saying things because other people say them?

Your childish arguments hardly merit an answer, but you can find just as much gore in the Bible. That argument proves nothing besides the fact that the person making it has not thought critically about the subject.
 
It is a shame that we have to see faiths other than Christianity attacked in order for liberals to glean the slightest idea of what radical Islam wants today.

Huh? You've been revisionist history books, World News Daily and Faith of the Martyrs again.
 
I am not going to bother with isolating the exact quote, its quoted in 110, but Mmc stated that one could be a Muslim without belonging to the Islamic faith. That is, of course, nonsense and betrays a deep ignorance of the subject matter we are discussing.

Oh Really......that is nonesense eh. Truly where did you learn your history?

Muhammad as a Normal Man (570-610)

Muhammad's birth is said to have been in the "year of the Elephant", which one believes is pointing to the invasion from Yemen, where an elephant was brought along in order to smash the Ka'ba, an event which is dated to 570 AD (where Muhammad's recorded age at certain times, have been used as the main source for the estimation). Muhammad's family belonged to the clan of Hashim, a branch of the Quraysh tribe. While the Quraysh was dominating Mecca, the Hashimis had little but religious prestige connected to the, at that time pagan, shrine of Ka'ba.

As Muhammad's father, Abdullah, died before the birth of his son, and his mother, Amina, when he was 6, Muhammad was in the care of his grandfather Abd al-Muttalib for two years, and then with his uncle Abu Talib, until he reached mature age.
Muhammad is, by Muslim theologists, not believed to have received any education, and in young age he started working with the caravans. It was while working as a trader, that Muhammad came to know the widow (and divorcee) Khadija, who was the owner of a caravan company where Muhammad was employed. At the age of 25 Muhammad married Khadija, then 40. Even if Khadija had children from both of her former marriages, she got 7 children with Muhammad. Khadija died in 619, and soon Muhammad remarried. Unlike in his marriage with Khadija, he chose to have several wives, 9 is reported. Some of these wives were ways of knotting closer relations with powerful people in the society, and some were widows without economical support.


Muhammad also enjoyed the protection of his uncle and earlier guardian, Abu Talib. But Abu Talib and Khadija both died in 619, and from this time on, Muhammad's position was under strong threat. The process of converting was slow in the early years, and he was strongly opposed by other Meccans, who accused him of little respect for the religion of the forefathers, which had some resemblance with Islam, but was a polytheistic religion. It's narrated that once there was an ayat where three former Meccan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah 53.
19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget

But these supposed ayats are not in our present Koran, where this text now is found: 21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!
There are two interpretations of this: Many Muslim scholars doubt the sources. Some others, among them Western scholars, believe that the first version was an attempt to convince the Meccans to join Islam until surah 17 when these verses were corrected and removed. But the historical fact is that surah 53 was revealed in the 5th year of Prophethood, while surah 17 was revealed in the 11th year of Prophethood and during these 6 years the Meccan leaders, instead of being followers of Islam, they continued to persecute Muslims.
No matter how one interprets this, all scholars seem to agree that the difficult conditions of the first few Muslims are reflected in this story.

Madina and the Rise to Power (622-630)

Many of the inhabitants of Yathrib converted to Islam, but among the large Jewish community that lived here, only few converted. A large part of the converts are called hypocrites, by the first Muslim sources. After only two years, Muhammad's relationship with them had begun to deteriorate, and the remaining Jewish believers were later expelled for co-operating with Muhammad's enemies.
Muhammad enforced his position in the region, and in particular in Yathrib, through successful military campaigns, like the one at Badr in 624, and the defense battles in Uhud (where the Muslims faced a slight defeat) in 625 and Ditsh in 627. Neighboring tribes started to enter into agreements with Muhammad, and in 628, after Muhammad tried to perform the pilgrimage, Hajj he concluded a treaty with the Meccans, that allowed the Muslims to enter Mecca the following year for performing. In 630 Muhammad managed to take control over Mecca without any resistance. A general amnesty was granted to all Qurayshis, Muhammad's former enemies, even if they did not convert to Islam.

The Prophet Muhammed - All About Turkey

Mohammed while in Turkey.

I think you were saying something about showing us your Profound Deep Ignorance of the matter. Wouldn't you say? :2razz:
 
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Your childish arguments hardly merit an answer, but you can find just as much gore in the Bible. That argument proves nothing besides the fact that the person making it has not thought critically about the subject.

Then it should be quite the easy matter for you to refer us to any of Jesus' messages that instruct people on how to kill, oh critical thinking bible expert.
 
To MMC:

A MUSLIM is a PRACTITIONER OF ISLAM.

They are the same word!
 
Your childish arguments hardly merit an answer, but you can find just as much gore in the Bible. That argument proves nothing besides the fact that the person making it has not thought critically about the subject.

Getting back to the actual op and the issue of discussion. Some Muslims went crazy and murdered Buddhists, as a result of a picture posted on Facebook. Put your religion and ideals of holy martyrdom aside for just a moment, and please tell us what you think the response should be to those who committed the violence. Do you believe that if we just offer them understanding, that they will change their m.o.?
 
On the other hand, and as much as I grieve over this attack on Buddhists, there is a blessing here if those who were unenlightened now are.

Death isn't known to cause enlightenment. You've been misinformed.
 
He did, but what happens in Vegas....

Then there was that speech to his Campaign workers telling then that they had the most important job any could have.....Huh? Oooooops. I think that crapped out of Vegas. ;)
 
Now, don't be bigoted, Djoop. Killing Buddhists is a peaceful act.

Learn it.

Surely not all Buddhists...

I can't be thankful enough. All this time I truly believed I was criticizing .. these criminals who self identify as Muslims but are in no way representative of the Islamic faith. In reality, my Islamophobia, my unreasonable fear for Islam, just got the better of me. I'm just looking for stuff to blame Islam really. So after years of waiting I finally found something to tar muslims with. So sad, you would almost forget we got to the point people are killed over a picture on Facebook.
 
To MMC:

A MUSLIM is a PRACTITIONER OF ISLAM.

They are the same word!



The process of converting was slow in the early years, and he was strongly opposed by other Meccans, who accused him of little respect for the religion of the forefathers, which had some resemblance with Islam, but was a polytheistic religion. It's narrated that once there was an ayat where three former Meccan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah 53.
19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget

But these supposed ayats are not in our present Koran, where this text now is found: 21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!
There are two interpretations of this: Many Muslim scholars doubt the sources. Some others, among them Western scholars, believe that the first version was an attempt to convince the Meccans to join Islam until surah 17 when these verses were corrected and removed. But the historical fact is that surah 53 was revealed in the 5th year of Prophethood, while surah 17 was revealed in the 11th year of Prophethood and during these 6 years the Meccan leaders, instead of being followers of Islam, they continued to persecute Muslims.
No matter how one interprets this, all scholars seem to agree that the difficult conditions of the first few Muslims are reflected in this story.

Guess ya was a little slow on the Uptake. Note the Meccan leaders were considered Muslim. ;)
 
Terrorist behavior is not widespread, common, or accepted among Christians though.

It is among Muslims.

Proof? I think what you have there is a very simplistic view. It might help if you studied asymmetric warfare: history, causes and purpose. List the number of countries that the US and the West have invaded, occupied, attacked and where nationals have been killed, wounded or refugeed and tell me "Terrorist behavior is not widespread, common, or accepted among Christians though." Be honest with yourself.
 
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Then there was that speech to his Campaign workers telling then that they had the most important job any could have.....Huh? Oooooops. I think that crapped out of Vegas. ;)

My post was made in jest to show how ridiculous and partisan Joko's post was.
 
For Incognito.....

He was born to the lineage of Mecca and the oldest tribes.

Mohammed: aka-Mahomet.....led 27 military Campaigns against innocent villages and caravans and planeed 38 others.

I am the Prophet who laughs killing my enemies. (Hadith)

The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. He died in 773 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham in 828 A.D. and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham's "Life of Muhammad" relied on the earlier works. Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina, who died in 825 A.D. produced a work, which portions of which have survived, called "The Expeditions of Muhammad". The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. - a century after they were first recited.

True History of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran


I cannot copy this piece due to invisible ink. In order to read the lighter text Highlight and it will show up. Otherwise you can access the link.

But it will give you some Historical Information despite the opinions of those who had written it. Most are Arabs and Muslims themselves.
 
The process of converting was slow in the early years, and he was strongly opposed by other Meccans, who accused him of little respect for the religion of the forefathers, which had some resemblance with Islam, but was a polytheistic religion. It's narrated that once there was an ayat where three former Meccan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah 53.
19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget

But these supposed ayats are not in our present Koran, where this text now is found: 21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!
There are two interpretations of this: Many Muslim scholars doubt the sources. Some others, among them Western scholars, believe that the first version was an attempt to convince the Meccans to join Islam until surah 17 when these verses were corrected and removed. But the historical fact is that surah 53 was revealed in the 5th year of Prophethood, while surah 17 was revealed in the 11th year of Prophethood and during these 6 years the Meccan leaders, instead of being followers of Islam, they continued to persecute Muslims.
No matter how one interprets this, all scholars seem to agree that the difficult conditions of the first few Muslims are reflected in this story.

Guess ya was a little slow on the Uptake. Note the Meccan leaders were considered Muslim. ;)

You seem very smug for somebody who is utterly wrong. Wherever that unsourced quote is also wrong. A member the Islamic faith is Muslim. Note the SLM root word, meaning "peace" in Arabic. "Islam" means peace, and "Muslim" means "one who pracices peace."
 
You seem very smug for somebody who is utterly wrong. Wherever that unsourced quote is also wrong. A member the Islamic faith is Muslim. Note the SLM root word, meaning "peace" in Arabic. "Islam" means peace, and "Muslim" means "one who pracices peace."



He was born to the lineage of Mecca and the oldest tribes.

The process of converting was slow in the early years, and he was strongly opposed by other Meccans, who accused him of little respect for the religion of the forefathers, which had some resemblance with Islam, but was a polytheistic religion. It's narrated that once there was an ayat where three former Meccan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah 53

Looks like that process was slow in the Conversion.....Same line same people. Same Muslims! But you are welcome to read it whatever way you want. :)
 
MMC, other than the possibility of 9/11 how many times have you and people you know been attacked in Chicago by Muslims because of the religion of you and/or your family and friends?
 
Where is the national outcry to find the persons who burned the Toledo Islamic Center? Could it have been a non-Muslim religious act of violence? Hmmm?
 
MMC, other than the possibility of 9/11 how many times have you and people you know been attacked in Chicago by Muslims because of the religion of you and/or your family and friends?

RT....I grew up fighting El Rukns and Ancient Family as well as some Bantu Stones. They are Muslim Gangs Right here in the Good Ole US of A. Are you Familiar with Jeff Fort who was convicted of being a terrorist. Did they come at me and my people over our religion in the US. NO! Did they come at us because of our way of life where we hung out, what we did, and because the color of our skin. Yes!
 
He was born to the lineage of Mecca and the oldest tribes.

The process of converting was slow in the early years, and he was strongly opposed by other Meccans, who accused him of little respect for the religion of the forefathers, which had some resemblance with Islam, but was a polytheistic religion. It's narrated that once there was an ayat where three former Meccan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah 53

Looks like that process was slow in the Conversion.....Same line same people. Same Muslims! But you are welcome to read it whatever way you want. :)
You're just talking gibberish. A Muslim is an adherent of Islam, just like Christian is an adherent of Christianity. Muslim and Islam are LITERALLY the same word.

But hey, think whatever nonsense you like, and by all means keep talking about Muslims like they are an ethnic group. Tell EVERYBODY you meet that you think a person can be a Muslim but not Islamic. PLEASE.
 
While there is no telling when or where they will radical fanatics will strike next one thing to be sure they will strike when they hear or see something they do not like... kill em' that is the only answer!!!

This is so ludicrous that when I read about this emotional eruption I could only think that maybe Curly was a Muslim fanatic.....
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The Buddhist should be putting some kung fu on these muslims. Frankly I'm getting sick and tired of the muslims thinking they can go ape**** at will.
 
You're just talking gibberish. A Muslim is an adherent of Islam, just like Christian is an adherent of Christianity.

But hey, think whatever nonsense you like, and by all means keep talking about Muslims like they are an ethnic group. Tell EVERYBODY you meet that a person can be a Muslim but not Islamic. PLEASE.

Actually we use to call the American ones Moslems. So you can save all your bs. I grew up around Muslims lived with and fought against them. For years and long before I ever joined Uncle Sams gang. I don't play with the terminology. But you can keep going on about after Islam became something. Not while it was just beginning. So Spin it any other way you want.
 
In the United States, there is no need to try to find some sort of illusive formula to identify those Muslims not currently practicing violent Jihad and those that are. They're all the same, some are presently dormant because their numbers are small in certain areas.

Look around your own city. Regardless of how much you want to believe they like you, you will find that their Mosques are always built in a commanding position, overlooking all other aspects of your city, a clear sign of their perceived superiority and desire to fly their Muslim flag higher than any other. Notice how richly appointed their Mosques are, while their attendee numbers seem small. They build the Mosques and wait for the Muslim population to grow, just as they have for centuries.

Know that Sharia Laws and punishments are NOT in a separate book, Sharia law is the cornerstone of the Koran. There is only one book, that book is the Koran and Sharia Law is the cornerstone of the Koran, which they all worship.

If you choose to feel superior and worldly by seeking reasons to show deference for Muslims and argue on their behalf, know that you come across to others as a naive child.
 
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