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Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

I don't dismiss bad behavior. I simply will not accuse all Muslims of being terrorists just because some Muslims are. I do the same for Christians. I don't call all Christians terrorists because some Christians are.

Who is accusing All Muslims of being Terrorists? Are you playing with terminology now? First you said radicals. Now you say terrorists. What is the explanation as to attack Buddhist Monks and Burn down their temples and their homes. Uhm These arent Westerners now.....are they?
 
Muslims have been wiping out Coptic Christian Communites that have been around for.....oh like 2-3000 yrs. Couple as recently as last year.

Well FIRST lets look at your current grasp of History shall we? Christianity being the older of the 2 religions has only been around 2000 years and in it's modern incarnation ony about 1000. Islam and Muslims didn't come into being as a religion until the 7th Century C.E. so your premise of Muslims Killing Coptic Christians for 2-3000 years is false. And COPTIC Christianity hasn't been around as the basic faith so that is false premise #2. But as to your basic thought process it was CHRISTIANS who first began to wage war on ISLAM starting in 1118 with Richard the Lion Hearted and his Crusades, which by the way there have been 13 which covered a time span of more than 500 years and ranged from the Northern African Nations all the way to Turkey. So if you are going to be pointing fingers at who's been killing whom and who started it learn history first and then look at how many fingers point backward as you point 1 forward.
 
So, now that you can't get me to agree with you, you resort to the Ignorance accusation. Well, I guess if you can't come up with a reasonable response, it makes you feel better to assume you are the expert and I am the lowly ignorant one. What ever floats your boat.

Actually, you just said that you do not want to learn anything about Muslims.

It is almost as if you are taking pride in your ignorance.
 
You and Hairytic make it sound as though we're using a single, isolated incident to lambaste an entire group when in reality it has been a roughly daily occurrence for decades spread throughout the world. It's hard to pick up a newspaper with an international section, like The New York Times, and not see stories of suicide bombers, embassy attacks, etc. involving Muslims. The only non-Muslims I have ever really seen in stories like that are drug cartels - which, I assume you also defend.

At some point political correctness has to give way to the reality that Muslims (and the drug cartels) are clearly not behaving like everyone else. That doesn't mean all Muslims (and drug cartel members) are terrorists, murderers, etc. but enough of them are and it is accepted to make it a reasonable characteristic of the group.

Let's use you own analogy to explain how absurd and wrong your position is. Mexican drug cartel violence is rampant. By your logic, ALL Mexicans are to blame. Doesn't make sense.
 
The preacher didn't have much support, except in that his free speech rights were defended. As for these radical Christian groups, who are they, and where are they? Certainly, if they exist, they would be making headline news.

This may help you learn more about the Christian terrorists:
Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[67][68][69] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[70] A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."[71][72] The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was a belief that abortion is criminal and immoral, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.[73][74] The Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub, were made by Eric Robert Rudolph; Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist, whereas James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues instead that Rudolph was inspired only in part by religious considerations.[75]

Hutaree was a Christian militia group based in Adrian, Michigan. In 2010, after an FBI agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy to use of improvised explosive devices, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.[76] On March 28, 2012, the conspiracy charges were dismissed.[77] Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, Defensive Action, The Freemen Community, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component"."

This quote from Wikipedia is just the modern day Christian terrorist groups in the US. There is much more information in the link. I suggest you educate yourself a bit on it.
 
This quote from Wikipedia is just the modern day Christian terrorist groups in the US. There is much more information in the link. I suggest you educate yourself a bit on it.

And what has the vast majority response been to Christian radicals, here in the US. Widespread condemnation.

We don't try to excuse their behavior because of their religious beliefs. We judge them based on their actions.
 
And what has the vast majority response been to Christian radicals, here in the US. Widespread condemnation.

We don't try to excuse their behavior because of their religious beliefs. We judge them based on their actions.


I agree and those who break the law get charged with a crime and are punished.
 
And what has the vast majority response been to Christian radicals, here in the US. Widespread condemnation.

We don't try to excuse their behavior because of their religious beliefs. We judge them based on their actions.

That is no different than what is going on with these criminals who happen to be Muslims. Nobody supports what they did, we all condemn it. But those of us with cool heads and rational minds are able to see that the Islamic faih itself is not to blame. How is it you and people who think like you cannot see that? Does the hate and anger blind you to that simple, reasonable fact?
 
Who is accusing All Muslims of being Terrorists? Are you playing with terminology now? First you said radicals. Now you say terrorists. What is the explanation as to attack Buddhist Monks and Burn down their temples and their homes. Uhm These arent Westerners now.....are they?

If the shoe fits my friend. Yet whether you personally have said it or not the vast majority of right wing conservatives DO say it and loudly and often. As far as playing with terminology I think the word you are looking for is semantics. To address Buddhist temples and monks, well if you will study history you will find that they have been at war for centurties with only brief periods of peace which has been broken by BOTH sides. There are radicals and extremists in ALL faiths. Extremism is NEVER a good thing and has ALWAYS led to war regardless of what the issues were. But if you step back and look at the broader picture and the MAJORITY of the peoples in the major religions you will see that most are moderates and much more tolerant of other beliefs at least to the point of live and let live ideology. Where there is hate, irregardless of who or what it stems from, there will be war and killings. It takes FAR more courage to stand up and say enough is enough and to lay your anger and hatred aside than it does to pick up a weapon and kill someone simply because they differ in belief or faith than you. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Bhuddista, Toaist, Zoorastrians and countless others have ALL have extremists ans as long as there is prejudice and hatred there will ALWAYS BE extremists and war. Its a simple fact of history. As long as there has been religion there has been war. PERIOD.
 
But those of us with cool heads and rational minds are able to see that the Islamic faih itself is not to blame. How is it you and people who think like you cannot see that? Does the hate and anger blind you to that simple, reasonable fact?

Yes, we can see that the faith itself is not to blame, but we can also see that there is a hesitation to address violence which arises from Islam, because we are afraid of offending Muslims. That is the point, which has nothing to do with hate and anger.
 
Yes, we can see that the faith itself is not to blame, but we can also see that there is a hesitation to address violence which arises from Islam, because we are afraid of offending Muslims. That is the point, which has nothing to do with hate and anger.

Hardly. The supposed "hesitation of Muslims" to condemn these attacks is a myth, and an absurd slander against Muims generally without an ounce of truth to it.

The myth does provide nice cover for intolerance, apparently, but it holds no water with any reasonable person.
 
Well FIRST lets look at your current grasp of History shall we? Christianity being the older of the 2 religions has only been around 2000 years and in it's modern incarnation ony about 1000. Islam and Muslims didn't come into being as a religion until the 7th Century C.E. so your premise of Muslims Killing Coptic Christians for 2-3000 years is false. And COPTIC Christianity hasn't been around as the basic faith so that is false premise #2. But as to your basic thought process it was CHRISTIANS who first began to wage war on ISLAM starting in 1118 with Richard the Lion Hearted and his Crusades, which by the way there have been 13 which covered a time span of more than 500 years and ranged from the Northern African Nations all the way to Turkey. So if you are going to be pointing fingers at who's been killing whom and who started it learn history first and then look at how many fingers point backward as you point 1 forward.

Im not pointing a finger you are......Yet you forget Richard was forced to leave the Holy Land and was the 3rd Crusade. Did you forget about those Christians from Rome? Egypt? Was Nero Killing Christians in Rome? What about Ethiopia? I am not looking to split hairs over when Christians began or their Specific Groups. You Do understand That the Prophet Mohammad was killing Muslams before they became followers of Islam.....correct?

Have Muslims attacked in Russia and the Balkans? The Answer is yes. Europe, yes. Asia, yes. Far East, Yes. Middle East, Yes. US, yes but not mob action. Canada, Yes but not mob action. Central America and South America I have no stats on. But I doubt they would Riot in Mexico and Colombia.....knowing what would take place should they do so. Think the Laws there will prosecute them? What about the Drug Cartels what do you think they will do if they should even go after one Christian Church? Just One. What do you think happens if they should kill one Priest?
 
It takes FAR more courage to stand up and say enough is enough and to lay your anger and hatred aside than it does to pick up a weapon and kill someone simply because they differ in belief or faith than you.

Then I would say that there are some radical Islamists who need to heed your word, and stop killing in the name of the Allah. I have no hate and anger, but if someone tries to kill me because they don't agree with my religion, you can bet your ass, they will not a find a pacifist here, but rather someone who is willing to defend my own life. It takes more courage to fight, than to be pacifist and run the other way.
 
Hardly. The supposed "hesitation of Muslims" to condemn these attacks is a myth, and an absurd slander against Muims generally without an ounce of truth to it.

The myth does provide nice cover for intolerance, apparently, but it holds no water with any reasonable person.

I'm not talking about hesitation of Muslims. You can play-pretend that you are among the reasonable all you want, and you are free to believe what you want, but one of the issues we've been discussing is whether or not WE are inclined toward excusing terrorist actions, based on our fear of offending Muslims, and that does seem to be the case. There is plenty of evidence of it in this very thread.
 
Then I would say that there are some radical Islamists who need to heed your word, and stop killing in the name of the Allah. I have no hate and anger, but if someone tries to kill me because they don't agree with my religion, you can bet your ass, they will not a find a pacifist here, but rather someone who is willing to defend my own life. It takes more courage to fight, than to be pacifist and run the other way.
Au contraire. It is the coward that gives in to the anger and lashes out. It takes true courage when your enemy has slapped your cheek to turn the other cheek.
 
I suggest you educate yourself a bit on it.

My irony meter was ringing off the hook, so I had to investigate the source.

How cute that a girl who states she doesn't want to know anything about Muslims lectures a woman to educate herself.........
 
My irony meter was ringing off the hook, so I had to investigate the source.

How cute that a girl who states she doesn't want to know anything about Muslims lectures a woman to educate herself.........

All muslims?

nvm
 
I'm not talking about hesitation of Muslims. You can play-pretend that you are among the reasonable all you want, and you are free to believe what you want, but one of the issues we've been discussing is whether or not WE are inclined toward excusing terrorist actions, based on our fear of offending Muslims, and that does seem to be the case. There is plenty of evidence of it in this very thread.
Strawman. NOBODY is excusing terrorism. EVERYBODY is condemning terrorism.

All I see on the other side is a bunch of Islamphobic reactionaries looking for an excuse to use isolated instances of violent crime to tar the entire Islamic faith. Sad.
 
It takes true courage when your enemy has slapped your cheek to turn the other cheek.

Ummm, that is Jesus' doctrine there.

Mohammad's involved instruction on how to decapitate.


But, hey -- they are both the same as we have predetermined so as to advance our agenda, right?
 
Au contraire. It is the coward that gives in to the anger and lashes out. It takes true courage when your enemy has slapped your cheek to turn the other cheek.

No. That is what we call martyrdom. If you desire to martyr yourself, feel free. I prefer to use my instincts to preserve my life.
 
Ummm, that is Jesus' doctrine there.

Mohammad's involved instruction on how to decapitate.


But, hey -- they are both the same as we have predetermined so as to advance our agenda, right?

Do you ever pass up a chance to make a cheap slur against the Islamic faith?

Islam is a religion of peace. Learn it.
 
Au contraire. It is the coward that gives in to the anger and lashes out. It takes true courage when your enemy has slapped your cheek to turn the other cheek.

As to who's teaching? A Pacifist? Hows that work when ya watch one lash out in anger except that slap comes in the form a sword and you see one get their head lopped off.

I'll bet money you wont turn to the other cheek?
 
No. That is what we call martyrdom. If you desire to martyr yourself, feel free. I prefer to use my instincts to preserve my life.

Like I said, true courage. It's easy to take the coward's way out and attack those you perceive to be your enemy. What is hard is forgiveness.
 
Strawman. NOBODY is excusing terrorism. EVERYBODY is condemning terrorism.

All I see on the other side is a bunch of Islamphobic reactionaries looking for an excuse to use isolated instances of violent crime to tar the entire Islamic faith. Sad.

The issue is not Islamophobia, or tarring an entire faith. The issue is about whether or not we (in western democratic societies) are willing to stand our ground, and preserve our freedoms, in the face of pressure to be politically correct.
 
As to who's teaching? A Pacifist? Hows that work when ya watch one lash out in anger except that slap comes in the form a sword and you see one get their head lopped off.

I'll bet money you wont turn to the other cheek?

I'm flatter you would think to look to me as a model of courage, but there are far better exemplars than myself.

Still, you could stand to immitate me in some respects. Like my tolerance of the Islamic faith, for example.
 
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