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Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

What's Obama waiting for? How many times does Netanyahu need to tell him that it's time to start dropping bombs?

Exaclty - doenst Obama understand who is in charge

Obama better watch it - he may lose funding for his campaign or the banks may take a run on the stock market, or God Forbid, the US media may start being very nasty to him.

I just dont understand how Obama can think he is in charge of what the USA stands for internationally.

Disgreaceful isnt it
 
What the heck is going on with the quoting here? :confused:
 
Please don't talk to me until you learn how to actually discern what other posters said instead of twisting their words into whatever neanderthal nonsensical position you wanted them to have said.

Oh, ok...well, explain to us how Iran has a better army.
 
Actually the Iranian government has never refused entry for any IAEA inspections of any of its nuclear power sites. It has signed the NNP treaty and has never said it wants nuclear weapons in its defense forces.

Now people can make their own judgements as to what they are up to. What we do know is that just down the road there is the state of Israel which hasnt signed the NNP, refuse entry to any inspections whatsoever of any of its military sites in Israel and neither confirms or denies the possession of nuclear weapons. And as everybody in the world knows, Israel has at least 220 nuclera warheads within its borders - almost all manufactured and desgined in the USA.

So if you were living in Iran and constantly hearing the War drums being belted by Israel and its partner the USA, what would you do?

This is why I prefer that the IRanian regime stop its nuclera program and remove any pretext of an attack. But I suspect that the Israel/US pact will find another reason to demonise nations that put their own national interests before western imperialist corporate profits.

We saw what happend to Gadaffi who would come under the GLobalist Banking regime and wanted to unify Africa under one currency.
Iran hasn't been cooperative with the IAEA. I linked to the IAEA's report earlier in the thread. It saw no nuclear weapons programs, but it was not allowed in certain facilities. Most people assume that those unknown facilities are where weapons programs are.

I agree with you about Iran being surrounded by Israel, American allies and the recently invaded Iraq though. What most people don't do is put themselves in Iran's position. Instead, they just think about Israel and the US. Iran has perfectly rational reasons for wanting nuclear weapons that have absolutely nothing to do with wanting to destroy Israel.
 
Iran hasn't been cooperative with the IAEA. I linked to the IAEA's report earlier in the thread. It saw no nuclear weapons programs, but it was not allowed in certain facilities. Most people assume that those unknown facilities are where weapons programs are.

I agree with you about Iran being surrounded by Israel, American allies and the recently invaded Iraq though. What most people don't do is put themselves in Iran's position. Instead, they just think about Israel and the US. Iran has perfectly rational reasons for wanting nuclear weapons that have absolutely nothing to do with wanting to destroy Israel.

What are those reasons? We only take actions (and they are always sanctions) against Iran when they are being like petulant children, and our sanctions are not even really that tough, since some other countries refuse to participate.

No one else is saying Iran shouldn't exist. Israel is the country that is TRULY threatened in that region. Look at the size of Israel, and look at the size of the nations surrounding it, and how hostile they are towards Israel.
 
What the heck is going on with the quoting here? :confused:

I notice it doing the same thing from time to time. Just check your post before you submit the message, to make sure the quotes are right. I've been noticing for the past couple of days, that certain phrases in my text will duplicate, so I just edit my posts when needed. No idea what the problem is.
 
I notice it doing the same thing from time to time. Just check your post before you submit the message, to make sure the quotes are right. I've been noticing for the past couple of days, that certain phrases in my text will duplicate, so I just edit my posts when needed. No idea what the problem is.

I've noticed it too, and when I try to refresh the page I'm on, it takes a long time.
 
If the Iranian regime gets nukes, it will lock the country down and close the windows like North Korea. We cannot allow that to happen to millions of our brothers and sisters, for generations. Even if we do not have the global political will to end Iran's (and Syria's, and Lebanon's and Palestine's) suffering beneath horrible tyranny, we must not allow another nK.
 
I believe that was what NAZI Germany thinking was during the late 1930sBecareful of what you wishWhy is it that almost all US citizens online are so trivial about attacking other nations that havent threatened or attacked them? WHy do they want war with defenseless nations all the time?I notice that since WW2, the USA has covertly and overtly invaded 37 nations that has resulted in over 23 million civilians deaths.And the major two features that almost of these nations had in common were, THey were defenseless and they didnt attack the USAinteresting how imperialist empires expand and how suddenly they evaporate
They were trying to prevent a world war. Fairly successful. Yes?
 
The West have enough firepower in the region to blow them away so im not worried. We are talking about a mosquito bothering a rhino!
 
If the Iranian regime gets nukes, it will lock the country down and close the windows like North Korea. We cannot allow that to happen to millions of our brothers and sisters, for generations. Even if we do not have the global political will to end Iran's (and Syria's, and Lebanon's and Palestine's) suffering beneath horrible tyranny, we must not allow another nK.

You would think that people would want to prevent another rogue country from having nukes. It is just a really bad idea. I don't get it. :shrug:
 
Libs don't understand that overtaking the Iranian army will be a cakewalk.

I don't think it will be a cakewalk, but it won't be the impossibility that some Libbos like to make it out to be.
 
Media and political interest groups are being very irresponsible and missleading on this matter.

If you look at Iran's demographical break down, it has over 1.5 million Jews living within its borders who have already said they dont feel threatened living there.
In fact Israel has for some time offering these Iranian Jews incentives and free land to move to Irsrael but very few have done so.

SO when the media paints the Iranian regime as some sort of Jew killing Nazi reich, it should at least explain why this regime hasnt expelled or slaughtered the huge Jewish population already living in Iran.
This is as OFF the wall as All your claims/posts.
Either willfully clueLess in service of your bias or a stupendous Lie pulled from your derriere for the same reason.

Iran has a docile/captive/Shriveled/Remnant population of 25,000 Jews who dare not speak of 'the zionist entity'.
Persian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is not exactly a secret either to those with knowledge of the subject.
 
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The West have enough firepower in the region to blow them away so im not worried. We are talking about a mosquito bothering a rhino!

A mosquito that will cut your oil supply off

Are you aware that the big US Energy and oil corporations such as EXXON are lobbying the US congress NOT to trigger another conflict in the region?

And we all know WHO is in control of the US congress dont we ladies and gentlemen

The IRaq war has cost the US thousands of soldiers and injured about 100,000 military personell, and resulted in the slaughter of over 1.4 million Iraqi civilians - about half of which were children and the elderly.

What did Iraq do to the USA again?

Care to explain?
 
Forgive me if I'm ignorant. but I've never understood how it would be any different if Iran received Nuclear Weapons. Plenty of other crazy/suicidal regimes have had them (Soviet Union under Stalin and Communist China under Mao Tse-ung to name two) and they were never launched. Why would now be any different?

Because neither the Soviet Union or China were governed by radical Islamists who see martyrdom as a worthy endeavor. These are religious zealots who have a completely different outlook on the world.

How do you figure that the Soviet Union or China were 'crazy, suicidal regimes'? They may have been despotic and oppressive, but I see no indications that either is/was suicidal or crazy. In fact, they were exceptionally practical.
 
This is as OFF the wall as All your claims/posts.
Either willfully clueLess in service of your bias or a stupendous Lie for the same reason.

Iran has a docile/captive/Shriveled/Remnant population of 25,000 Jews who dare not speak of 'the zionist entity'.
Persian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

your 25,000 figure is incorrect

there are about 1.5 million Iranian citizens that identify themselves as Jews in Iran today
 
A mosquito that will cut your oil supply off

Are you aware that the big US Energy and oil corporations such as EXXON are lobbying the US congress NOT to trigger another conflict in the region?

And we all know WHO is in control of the US congress dont we ladies and gentlemen

The IRaq war has cost the US thousands of soldiers and injured about 100,000 military personell, and resulted in the slaughter of over 1.4 million Iraqi civilians - about half of which were children and the elderly.

What did Iraq do to the USA again?

Care to explain?

given your views on the Iraq war and given the fact I served in the Iraq war there is no point explaining as we will never agree, plus I have actually been to iraq, met the people and listened to them. But reading articles and Blogs come pretty close...
 
What are those reasons? We only take actions (and they are always sanctions) against Iran when they are being like petulant children, and our sanctions are not even really that tough, since some other countries refuse to participate.

No one else is saying Iran shouldn't exist. Israel is the country that is TRULY threatened in that region. Look at the size of Israel, and look at the size of the nations surrounding it, and how hostile they are towards Israel.
1. It is surrounded by Israel, other American allies and the recently invaded Iraq. It is exceedingly rational to want to a deterrent to protect itself from that hostile environment.

2. It's a lie that Israel is the only "truly" threatened country in the region. Israel and the United States constantly threaten Iran and the United States INVADED Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel and Iran both have rational security interests. The problem I see in the analysis of your posts is that you're only examining this from a Western perspective. I've already provided you with links to primary sources and actual research - not just Obama trying to get re-elected and CNN trying to get views. You can read them or not, but right now, your arguments just seem uninformed.
 
your 25,000 figure is incorrect

there are about 1.5 million Iranian citizens that identify themselves as Jews in Iran today

This would be news to world Jewry. Anyways--no.
 
Why? Don't you want the Iranian people to be free of the mullahs?


BTW, don't let the saber-rattling scare you. Before we took Iraq down, people were saying "OMG! WW3!!!" and "Nukyuler Epoxyclips!" and "Oh they'll shoot missles at Israel and the whole Middle East will go up in FLAMES!!! Russia and China will get involved!! EEK!!" and so on....


Didn't happen.

It's not really our job to tell them when to be free, and history has shown over and over again that freedom can only come from an internal desire within the society itself. Breaking down whatever semblance of government they have in the mean time won't fix it. It just provides room for a new tyrannical regime to grow.

It is not the US' responsibility to police the world, nor are we, quite frankly, in any position to do so.

That said, I love "nukyuler epoxyclips." I think I'm stealing that. :lol:
 
1. It is surrounded by Israel, other American allies and the recently invaded Iraq. It is exceedingly rational to want to a deterrent to protect itself from that hostile environment.

2. It's a lie that Israel is the only "truly" threatened country in the region. Israel and the United States constantly threaten Iran and the United States INVADED Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel and Iran both have rational security interests. The problem I see in the analysis of your posts is that you're only examining this from a Western perspective. I've already provided you with links to primary sources and actual research - not just Obama trying to get re-elected and CNN trying to get views. You can read them or not, but right now, your arguments just seem uninformed.

I don't care if Iran feels threatened. I want them to feel threatened, because I am in fact threatening them. The issue is that an Iranian nuclear weapon creates a level of strategic invulnerability that will in turn allow it to flex its muscles as it seeks regional hegemony taking aggressive steps that it has hitherto been unwilling to take. An Iranian nuclear weapon is inimical to US interests, to the pursuit of liberal hegemony, and of the Iranian people.
 
1. It is surrounded by Israel, other American allies and the recently invaded Iraq. It is exceedingly rational to want to a deterrent to protect itself from that hostile environment.

2. It's a lie that Israel is the only "truly" threatened country in the region. Israel and the United States constantly threaten Iran and the United States INVADED Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel and Iran both have rational security interests. The problem I see in the analysis of your posts is that you're only examining this from a Western perspective. I've already provided you with links to primary sources and actual research - not just Obama trying to get re-elected and CNN trying to get views. You can read them or not, but right now, your arguments just seem uninformed.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe that Iran is the most threatened country in that region, or even close. That would definitely be Israel. Israel is the country plagued by suicide bombers and rogue bombs. Israel is the country who is disliked by all surrounding countries, so I think that you are misinformed.
 
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