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Egypt's president wants more independence from US

lizzie said:
I have no desire to change their culture, I just tire of their ranting, raving, and rioting over every little perceived offense. They are essentially the children of the world, and they need to grow up.
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Let them riot. That's their problem. What I don't get is our (the U.S.) need to meddle in everyone's affairs. Why can't we just trade with a country and let them run things the way that they want?
 
radcen said:
That is weird.
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Not as wierd as Natural gas being the #1 export to us. We are swimming in it and it needs to be supercooled in order to liquify it for tankers. Very expensive process for a product that is cheaper by the day here. Plus we are gearing up for exporting natural gas ourselves.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Let them riot. That's their problem. What I don't get is our (the U.S.) need to meddle in everyone's affairs. Why can't we just trade with a country and let them run things the way that they want?
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Except for our war efforts (which I have opposed since prior to our going in), we aren't meddling. They are trying to meddle, by expecting us to change our constitutional rights, based on their own culture.
 
lizzie said:
Except for our war efforts (which I have opposed since prior to our going in), we aren't meddling. They are trying to meddle, by expecting us to change our constitutional rights, based on their own culture.
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That's not the sentiment I took from this article. It seem like Egypt's ruler doesn't want us to force our western lifestyle upon them. And we do have a long history of meddling in the middle eastern affairs.
 
sookster said:
Yeah, but what is in it for us?

I wouldn't be surprised that the US is buying resources from Egypt for less than the market price. It is typically what we do.

And, they just want their resources to fuel their economy. An understandable deal if you ask me.
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We do? An example would be nice. And they want the resources TO SELL to fuel their economy. We are a customer, just like other nations. All customers jockey for a good deal.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
You do realize that we as a nation subjugated a whole race, often times under the guise of religion, right? Don't act like our hands are clean of hate and bigotry. That's their culture and just because we don't like it, doesn't mean we have the right to change it.
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Was that post supposed to be relevant to the topic. President Morsi demanded we respect Arab culture. I won't. I am not demanding that he, or you, respect our culture. President Obama does not respect Americans so why should you?

And, I did not suggest that we should change their culture. We can't. If they want to perform clitoridectomies on all the girls that's their business. If wife beating is okay with them that's their business. If honor killings are okay with them that's their business. Executing homosexuals? Their business. But, if President Morsi demands I "respect" this he can forget about it. Won't happen. And if he or any other want to demand that the U.S. modify their culture to permit these behaviors they can forget about it.

In spite of the liberal hatred of free speech, we need free speech and should ignore demands to do away with free speech whether from U.S. citizens or foreign nationals.
 
We do? An example would be nice. And they want the resources TO SELL to fuel their economy. We are a customer, just like other nations. All customers jockey for a good deal.
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Look at my other post.
 
sookster said:
Yeah, but what is in it for us?

I wouldn't be surprised that the US is buying resources from Egypt for less than the market price. It is typically what we do.

And, they just want their resources to fuel their economy. An understandable deal if you ask me.
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What exactly are the 'resources' that the U.S. buys from Egypt?
 
Patrickt said:
Was that post supposed to be relevant to the topic. President Morsi demanded we respect Arab culture. I won't. I am not demanding that he, or you, respect our culture. President Obama does not respect Americans so why should you?

And, I did not suggest that we should change their culture. We can't. If they want to perform clitoridectomies on all the girls that's their business. If wife beating is okay with them that's their business. If honor killings are okay with them that's their business. Executing homosexuals? Their business. But, if President Morsi demands I "respect" this he can forget about it. Won't happen. And if he or any other want to demand that the U.S. modify their culture to permit these behaviors they can forget about it.

In spite of the liberal hatred of free speech, we need free speech and should ignore demands to do away with free speech whether from U.S. citizens or foreign nationals.
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Liberals hate free speech? When did that happen? The ACLU is in court constantly aruging for free speech rights. Even for right wing asses.
 
Wiggen said:
Liberals hate free speech? When did that happen? The ACLU is in court constantly aruging for free speech rights. Even for right wing asses.
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It's all a part of the conservative mythos that exists only in the fevered imaginations of the self described conservatives.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, what is happening to exports from Egypt?



Seems they are up. and what are these exports?



Read more at Suite101: Top Egyptian Exports & Imports: Most Popular Products Traded Between Egypt & America | Suite101.com Top Egyptian Exports & Imports: Most Popular Products Traded Between Egypt & America | Suite101.com

Natural gas is #1? It wouldn't seem that would last much longer.
Cotton? We can grow our own, and do.
Iron and steel products? We should make our own, then we wouldn't have a rust belt.

Items returned to U.S. then reimported? What's that, I wonder?

Now, is the US really profiting all that much from trade with Egypt?
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So other than Natural Gas, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of 'natural resources' that we are dependant upon. And arguably we aren't dependant on natural gas from Egypt.
 
Wiggen said:
So other than Natural Gas, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of 'natural resources' that we are dependant upon. And arguably we aren't dependant on natural gas from Egypt.
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There is no question we aren't dependent on natural gas from Egypt. We have plenty of our own. We aren't dependent on cotton, either, or anything else that is listed.

So, we're not exploiting Egypt for its natural resources, as was alleged earlier in this thread.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Let them riot. That's their problem. What I don't get is our (the U.S.) need to meddle in everyone's affairs. Why can't we just trade with a country and let them run things the way that they want?
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So you would have been opposed to the economic sanctions on the aparthied regime in south africa? Your position is that it doesn't matter what a country does to its own people as long as we can trade with them and make a buck?
 
Dittohead not! said:
There is no question we aren't dependent on natural gas from Egypt. We have plenty of our own. We aren't dependent on cotton, either, or anything else that is listed.

So, we're not exploiting Egypt for its natural resources, as was alleged earlier in this thread.
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I didn't think so, which was why I asked the question. People just throw charges like that out there and expect that everyone else will accept them as the truth.
 
Wiggen said:
I didn't think so, which was why I asked the question. People just throw charges like that out there and expect that everyone else will accept them as the truth.
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Which is a pretty good strategy for pundits talking to an audience of like minded individuals. On a site that invites debate and differing viewpoints, it doesn't work quite as well.
 
Amen to that.
 
radcen said:
If by "more independence", I wonder if he also means less monetary aid?

Color me skeptical, but somehow I doubt it.
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and more money...
 
Dittohead not! said:
There is no question we aren't dependent on natural gas from Egypt. We have plenty of our own. We aren't dependent on cotton, either, or anything else that is listed.

So, we're not exploiting Egypt for its natural resources, as was alleged earlier in this thread.
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If I were to offer a guess, I would think we're probably trying to help prop up their economy via trade with them.
 
lizzie said:
If I were to offer a guess, I would think we're probably trying to help prop up their economy via trade with them.
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That's more likely, along with just handing them money in the form of foreign aid.
 
There is no question we aren't dependent on natural gas from Egypt. We have plenty of our own. We aren't dependent on cotton, either, or anything else that is listed.

So, we're not exploiting Egypt for its natural resources, as was alleged earlier in this thread.
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...just wow....

You can still purchase what I described at below market price. That is exploitation.

Where does it say that I must be dependent upon a country to be exploiting them?

Do the states a favor and don't vote.
 
radcen said:
If by "more independence", I wonder if he also means less monetary aid?

Color me skeptical, but somehow I doubt it.
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breaking away from a country which is going broke is not a bad strategy. The money we give them will readily be made up by countries like Iran happy to have our influence lessened in the ME.

Just another example of why our national debt impacts our national security.
 
Patrickt said:
Was that post supposed to be relevant to the topic. President Morsi demanded we respect Arab culture. I won't. I am not demanding that he, or you, respect our culture. President Obama does not respect Americans so why should you?

And, I did not suggest that we should change their culture. We can't. If they want to perform clitoridectomies on all the girls that's their business. If wife beating is okay with them that's their business. If honor killings are okay with them that's their business. Executing homosexuals? Their business. But, if President Morsi demands I "respect" this he can forget about it. Won't happen. And if he or any other want to demand that the U.S. modify their culture to permit these behaviors they can forget about it.

In spite of the liberal hatred of free speech, we need free speech and should ignore demands to do away with free speech whether from U.S. citizens or foreign nationals.
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The point of his message wasn't that we agree with Arab culture, merely that we don't force our beliefs onto them. That's called respect. Don't put sanctions on a country to force them to stop them from beating their women (if that's their culture). Instead, if you don't agree, just don't do business with them. Pretty simple.
 
Wiggen said:
So you would have been opposed to the economic sanctions on the aparthied regime in south africa? Your position is that it doesn't matter what a country does to its own people as long as we can trade with them and make a buck?
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My position is if we don't agree with the way the country is being ran, then we don't do business with them instead of trying to force them to fall in line with us.
 
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