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Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

Obama should never apologize for the Piss Christ, neither should he apologize or try to remove the movie that made fun of Muhammad. Freedom of speech means freedom for all and I don't want him apologizing for either. I am disgusted by the Piss Christ and find it extremely offensive. For me, the act of Jesus dying for my sin was the strongest act of love by God ever expressed, and for someone to mock that by having him pissed on while dying for all humanity greatly offends me and does make me mad. I am offended by it, but then again I have no right to not be offended (and neither does anyone else). It's also their "art" and their speech and I wouldn't take away their right to do so or kill anyone over it just as no one should take away my right to do so or kill me for my speech/art.
 
digsbe said:
Obama should never apologize for the Piss Christ, neither should he apologize or try to remove the movie that made fun of Muhammad. Freedom of speech means freedom for all and I don't want him apologizing for either. I am disgusted by the Piss Christ and find it extremely offensive. For me, the act of Jesus dying for my sin was the strongest act of love by God ever expressed, and for someone to mock that by having him pissed on while dying for all humanity greatly offends me and does make me mad. I am offended by it, but then again I have no right to not be offended (and neither does anyone else). It's also their "art" and their speech and I wouldn't take away their right to do so or kill anyone over it just as no one should take away my right to do so or kill me for my speech/art.
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Another person who doesn't understand the image at all. I wish you'd spend less time being offended and more time actually understanding it.
 
Hatuey said:
Another person who doesn't understand the image at all. I wish you'd spend less time being offended and more time actually understanding it.
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Is it wrong that I'm offended? Me "understanding" the image or not doesn't invalidate anything I've said above.
 
digsbe said:
Is it wrong that I'm offended?
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You're offended for the wrong reasons. The image isn't attacking Christ. It's attacking the way in which people have destroyed his message. So it's not attacking him, it's attacking you and your ilk. Chuckberry said it best:

I think the image is well composed and has a soft quality that makes the crucified Christ look even more tragic than it would out of the urine. The lighting particularly is well chosen. To me, the photo says that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross retains its dignity, perhaps it is even enhanced, by the degradation and marginalization of the crucifixion in popular culture.
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digsbe said:
Is it wrong that I'm offended? Me "understanding" the image or not doesn't invalidate anything I've said above.
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I agree with you digsbe.... I am offended too
 
Hatuey said:
You're offended for the wrong reasons. The image isn't attacking Christ. It's attacking the way in which people have destroyed his message. So it's not attacking him, it's attacking you and your ilk.
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My ilk? That's nice. I'll look into the "message" it wants to portray, but then again that doesn't invalidate anything I've said in my original post.
 
digsbe said:
My ilk? That's nice. I'll look into the "message" it wants to portray, but then again that doesn't invalidate anything I've said in my original post.
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Yes, your ilk. You and the overwhelming majority of christians out there are 20th century pop culture versions of the real thing. Arbitrarily picking and choosing which parts of the bible you'll follow and then complaining when you aren't taken seriously by others.
 
digsbe said:
My ilk? That's nice. I'll look into the "message" it wants to portray, but then again that doesn't invalidate anything I've said in my original post.
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I looked into a little bit, and apparently the idea behind this "art" is that some symbols become over commercialized or something to that effect. I do think it is rather disrespectful thing to do with a religious symbol regardless of the idea behind the art though. But the point is I'm not sure if his intention was offend people.
 
Hatuey said:
Yes, your ilk. You and the overwhelming majority of christians out there are 20th century pop culture versions of the real thing. Arbitrarily picking and choosing which parts of the bible you'll follow and then complaining when you aren't taken seriously by others.
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Thanks for judging me considering you know everything about my Christian faith and how I try and live my life according to my Biblical beliefs. This thread isn't about me or "pop culture" Christians that you have an issue with.

Anyways, back to the topic of the thread. No one should stop this art from being put on display, anyone (most likely conservatives) that do are hypocritical in their disliking of the Obama administrations apologetic nature for the film offensive to Muslims and requests to take it out of media. The Piss Christ should stay, the Muhammad movie should stay, and anyone that commits crimes in regards to their inability to control themselves or be civil when offended should be punished and be solely accountable for their own actions.
 
ChrisL said:
Oh sorry, that's what I meant, that he takes pictures of the objects in blood, semen and urine, supposedly.
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Not supposedly. Andres Serrano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whatever. Been there/done that with this freak and his fascination with bodily fluids and just wish he weren't getting all this renewed attention.

This was news eons ago; it's news now only to those who don't remember. Sure, it's offensive. That's the point. But who cares? Nobody died because of this "art" when it was so shocking, and I don't expect any big deal being made now. I mean, burn your flag and smear your dung and call it art. Whatever.

I also don't expect a President to offer his or her opinion on art exhibits. The fact that the President had nothing to say speaks volumes, but if he was being authentic rather than calculated, that's all citizens can ask for, yes?
 
Jetboogieman said:
I can see why you'd get that from what I said.

But that's not the case.

Personally I hate people who are too touchy about their religion.

But at the same time I also don't see the point in making fun of someones religion just to be a dick either.

I think it's one thing to make fun of something to be funny, another to be a jackass.
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It's not just religion that may cause somone to be "overly sensitive". Some people are that way about political ideology. In all fairness Jet, I've seen you get pissy over jokes about liberals. It's easy to sit back and laugh and tell others to lighten up when it's not you, isn't it?
 
X Factor said:
I've seen you get pissy over jokes about liberals
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I had a feeling you'd have SOMETHING to say to me in this thread X.

You'd have to point specifically as to which "joke" you're talking about.

Because often times when far right conservatives make their "jokes" they're not funny.... like at all. And don't get on my ass about that statement I said far right, not run of the mill conservatives.
 
digsbe said:
Thanks for judging me considering you know everything about my Christian faith and how I try and live my life according to my Biblical beliefs. This thread isn't about me or "pop culture" Christians that you have an issue with.
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Do you now? Which ones? And that's exactly the point of the artwork. You arbitrarily pick and choose what to believe in just like you've been taught by pop culture christianity. I'd be willing to bet you think homosexuality is an abomination but have no problem with eating shrimp. I bet you ignore the old testament when it suits you. All this is to say that you're a pop culture christian because what you practice and what has been practiced as christianity for the past 2000 years are two completely different things. You are a product of televangelism, megachurches and neo-protestants. You are a product of materialist sociology and HBO. If you don't want to hear that, it's fine with me but let's not sit here and pretend your version of christianity isn't a watered down version of what people have practiced for centuries.
 
nota bene said:
Not supposedly. Andres Serrano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whatever. Been there/done that with this freak and his fascination with bodily fluids and just wish he weren't getting all this renewed attention.

This was news eons ago; it's news now only to those who don't remember. Sure, it's offensive. That's the point. But who cares? Nobody died because of this "art" when it was so shocking, and I don't expect any big deal being made now. I mean, burn your flag and smear your dung and call it art. Whatever.

I also don't expect a President to offer his or her opinion on art exhibits. The fact that the President had nothing to say speaks volumes, but if he was being authentic rather than calculated, that's all citizens can ask for, yes?
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Well, I think because this just happened to turn into an international incident. I definitely do NOT think he should apologize for it, and the attackers should be rounded up and arrested. But I do not think it is that big of a deal that he said it had nothing to do with our government, considering a lot of those people may not realize that. If he had actually said "I'm sorry." That would be a different story IMO.
 
digsbe said:
Thanks for judging me considering you know everything about my Christian faith and how I try and live my life according to my Biblical beliefs. This thread isn't about me or "pop culture" Christians that you have an issue with.

Anyways, back to the topic of the thread. No one should stop this art from being put on display, anyone (most likely conservatives) that do are hypocritical in their disliking of the Obama administrations apologetic nature for the film offensive to Muslims and requests to take it out of media. The Piss Christ should stay, the Muhammad movie should stay, and anyone that commits crimes in regards to their inability to control themselves or be civil when offended should be punished and be solely accountable for their own actions.
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I totally agree.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I had a feeling you'd have SOMETHING to say to me in this thread X.

You'd have to point specifically as to which "joke" you're talking about.

Because often times when far right conservatives make their "jokes" they're not funny.... like at all. And don't get on my ass about that statement I said far right, not run of the mill conservatives.
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We could probably save time if you could point to any jokes about liberals that you think is actually funny. Stop being so overly sensitive. If someone's saying something just to be funny, it's idiotic to be offended. ;)
 
digsbe said:
Thanks for judging me considering you know everything about my Christian faith and how I try and live my life according to my Biblical beliefs. This thread isn't about me or "pop culture" Christians that you have an issue with.

Anyways, back to the topic of the thread. No one should stop this art from being put on display, anyone (most likely conservatives) that do are hypocritical in their disliking of the Obama administrations apologetic nature for the film offensive to Muslims and requests to take it out of media. The Piss Christ should stay, the Muhammad movie should stay, and anyone that commits crimes in regards to their inability to control themselves or be civil when offended should be punished and be solely accountable for their own actions.
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The main controversy in the US in 1987 with regard to Piss Christ was that the exibition was paid for by the National Endowment for the Arts.

U.S. Government Pays for "Piss Christ" Art
 
Hatuey said:
Do you now? Which ones? And that's exactly the point of the artwork. You arbitrarily pick and choose what to believe in just like you've been taught by pop culture christianity. I'd be willing to bet you think homosexuality is an abomination but have no problem with eating shrimp. I bet you ignore the old testament when it suits you. All this is to say that you're a pop culture christian because what you practice and what has been practiced as christianity for the past 2000 years are two completely different things. You are a product of televangelism, megachurches and neo-protestants. You are a product of materialist sociology and HBO. If you don't want to hear that, it's fine with me but let's not sit here and pretend your version of christianity isn't a watered down version of what people have practiced for centuries.
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You put the "mental" in judgmental. Lol (nobody can get mad 'cause it's just a joke).
 
Hatuey said:
Do you now? Which ones? And that's exactly the point of the artwork. You arbitrarily pick and choose what to believe in just like you've been taught by pop culture christianity. I'd be willing to bet you think homosexuality is an abomination but have no problem with eating shrimp. I bet you ignore the old testament when it suits you. All this is to say that you're a pop culture christian because what you practice and what has been practiced as christianity for the past 2000 years are two completely different things. You are a product of televangelism, megachurches and neo-protestants. You are a product of materialist sociology and HBO. If you don't want to hear that, it's fine with me but let's not sit here and pretend your version of christianity isn't a watered down version of what people have practiced for centuries.
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Wow, and Christians are always being called judgemental.

However I think the real important part of this "art work" is being missed by just about everyone...

And that is that Andres Serrano really REALLY R E A L L Y needs to start drinking more water.
 
The most interesting part of this whole Piss Christ controversy is that those who feel offended by it are being offended for the wrong reason. They think their religion or their Lord is being "pissed on", when what the artist intended to convey was that many modern Christians do exactly that every freaking day. They piss on Christ's message and on what's at the very core of their religion at every turn.

Anyhoo, I for one was very disappointed with the Obama administration's lack of emphasis on defending freedom of speech after that anti-Mohammed movie came out. That should have been first and foremost in all official statements by the President and Sec of State. I totally understand the need for damage control and to distance the US government from it all, but the main message should still have been "we don't like what they have done, but we'll defend to the death their right to do it". Same logic applies to this Piss Christ thing.
 
Arcana XV said:
The most interesting part of this whole Piss Christ controversy is that those who feel offended by it are being offended for the wrong reason. They think their religion or their Lord is being "pissed on", when what the artist intended to convey was that many modern Christians do exactly that every freaking day. They piss on Christ's message and on what's at the very core of their religion at every turn.

Anyhoo, I for one was very disappointed with the Obama administration's lack of emphasis on defending freedom of speech after that anti-Mohammed movie came out. That should have been first and foremost in all official statements by the President and Sec of State. I totally understand the need for damage control and to distance the US government from it all, but the main message should still have been "we don't like what they have done, but we'll defend to the death their right to do it". Same logic applies to this Piss Christ thing.
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The ISSUE re: Piss Christ is that the exhibit was funded by the National Endowment for the Arts. The government paid for it.
 
sharon said:
The ISSUE re: Piss Christ is that the exhibit was funded by the National Endowment for the Arts. The government paid for it.
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That's not offensive. That is a political issue. I was talking about those people who are offended by the image itself and what they think it represents, not about those who have a beef with how it was funded.
 
Arcana XV said:
That's not offensive. That is a political issue. I was talking about those people who are offended by the image itself and what they think it represents, not about those who have a beef with how it was funded.
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That was the issue in 1987.. A few Muslims picketed.. Piss Christ has been attacked repeatedly in its European and Australian tours.. Finally destroyed by Christians in France last year.
 
sharon said:
That was the issue in 1987.. A few Muslims picketed.. Piss Christ has been attacked repeatedly in its European and Australian tours.. Finally destroyed by Christians in France last year.
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Either way, the OP is not about any of that. It's about what official stance if any the White House should release in regards to Christians taking offense at the image.
 
Arcana XV said:
The most interesting part of this whole Piss Christ controversy is that those who feel offended by it are being offended for the wrong reason. They think their religion or their Lord is being "pissed on", when what the artist intended to convey was that many modern Christians do exactly that every freaking day. They piss on Christ's message and on what's at the very core of their religion at every turn.
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That is true. But it's also true that the message is delivered by actually pissing on the image of Christ. I could definitely see Christians dismissing the message because it's delivered in such a disrespectful manner.

Irony doesn't automatically make something demand respect.
 
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