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Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

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Not a big fan of hate crime laws. Assault, kidnapping and other laws already on the book should have been sufficient. Sounds like an Amish gang fight.
 
been following the case over the last few months! Doesnt come as much as a suprise to be honest given the fact they are a radical relgious group!
 
I don't like what I read, because the prosecution went on to ridicule the religion overall, invoking religious prejudices against them. For example, encouraging men to sleep in a chicken coop for punishment. How was that possibly related to the case and was only to invoke hatred against the defendant.

I do NOT approve of hate crimes. The range of punishment for assault, kidnapping, terrorist threats etc would have been sufficient. Instead, it was a case in which the prosector went on to try to get the jury to convict the religion, which it essentially did.
 
I'm confused as to how this could be classified as a "hate" crime when both the alleged perpetrator and the victims belong to the same religion? In the article it states that the perp is an Amish bishop.
 
Does it bother anyone that in the article it states that this man could serve 10 years or more for cutting hair and beards?
 
Sam Mullet, guilty of hate crimes in Amish beard-cutting attacks; 15 others guilty of related crimes | cleveland.com

I've been following the trial fairly closely, because it's an interesting peek into a rather insular community, and also because I was curious about the "hate crimes" charges.

I started out thinking this was preposterous and ended up thinking this might just be the best use of "hate crimes" laws I've ever seen.

Anyone else watching this case? Whaca think?

Interesting for sure, but to me, the hate crime law is ridiculous. That being said, I personally don't see cutting off hair and beards as "disfiguring", because hair and beards grow back. Now, if they had cut faces or cut off hands, it would be different.
 
It's kind of funny that his name is Sam "Mullet." I wonder if he cut their hair like a mullet?
 
I don't usually like hate crime laws myself. I think this case is an example of when they might serve a purpose because (to my knowledge) there was no other crime that could be charged, except misdemeanor assault. Given the deep meaning the victims' attached to their beards and hair, that didn't seem like a serious enough charge.
 
I don't usually like hate crime laws myself. I think this case is an example of when they might serve a purpose because (to my knowledge) there was no other crime that could be charged, except misdemeanor assault. Given the deep meaning the victims' attached to their beards and hair, that didn't seem like a serious enough charge.

Ten years or more sounds pretty harsh though.
 
Ten years or more sounds pretty harsh though.

He'll never do a whole 10 years, Chris. He'll most likely be out in less than 5, if he is sentenced to the max.

I really don't think he'll ever do this again -- chances are, he'll never get to the position of power he enjoyed with his splinter group again.
 
I think this is about the only time this will EVER be relevant in a thread at DP:

 
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Sam Mullet, guilty of hate crimes in Amish beard-cutting attacks; 15 others guilty of related crimes | cleveland.com

I've been following the trial fairly closely, because it's an interesting peek into a rather insular community, and also because I was curious about the "hate crimes" charges.

I started out thinking this was preposterous and ended up thinking this might just be the best use of "hate crimes" laws I've ever seen.

Anyone else watching this case? Whaca think?

Did the prosecutor's closing argument say something like

THOU SUCKETH when he looked at the defendants?
 
Did the prosecutor's closing argument say something like

THOU SUCKETH when he looked at the defendants?

The defense did not put on a case; just moved (again) for dismissal/directed verdict and when that was denied, made closing arguments that the beards and hair were cut "out of love".

Very strange.
 
been following the case over the last few months! Doesnt come as much as a suprise to be honest given the fact they are a radical relgious group!


Democrats DON'T like radical CONSERVATIVE religous groups. At least they didn't send tanks to kill them and all their children like the did in Waco.

10 years in prison because the old Democrat hippies in Washington freaked out at someone's hair being cut against the person's will.

I agree I do not see how Amish engaging in assault other Amish constitutes a hate crime - other than MANY violent crimes are "hate" crimes - certainly all domestic violence and rape cases.

Personally, I think anyone has a right to hate anyone they care to, but should be charged with the crime the committed if that hate leads them to committing a crime against the person. I do not think "hate" itself should be criminal.
 
The defense did not put on a case; just moved (again) for dismissal/directed verdict and when that was denied, made closing arguments that the beards and hair were cut "out of love".

Very strange.

a few years ago there was a crystal meth bust of new Amish boys back from their time among the "englanders". they had long long names-the same-and the press put (NO RELATION).

one of the DEA guys I know was on the team=he said the judge was thinking (seeing the names on the docket) that it was a typical case of amish boys hunting without a license or refusing to wear blaze orange during gun season

when the ADA said it was Crank the judge asked if they were telling other Amish

"Brother Aaron you can do a barn raising in an hour with a hit of this and if you give it to your oxen you can plow the back 40 before dinner"!!
 
Democrats DON'T like radical CONSERVATIVE religous groups. At least they didn't send tanks to kill them and all their children like the did in Waco. Just 10 years in prison because the old Democrat hippies in Washington freaked out at someone's hair being cut against the person's will.

I agree I do not see how Amish engaging in assault other Amish constitutes a hate crime - other than ALL violent crimes are "hate" crimes.

What utter rubbish. Obviously sending in "tanks" had nothing to do with the fact that David Koresh was a crazy pedophiliac **** who killed ATF agents. Yeah, it all had to do with their conservative/religious beliefs.
 
What utter rubbish. Obviously sending in "tanks" had nothing to do with the fact that David Koresh was a crazy pedophiliac **** who killed ATF agents. Yeah, it all had to do with their conservative/religious beliefs.

actually two of the agents were killed by their own people

and none of the davidians were convicted of murder meaning they were justified or at least excused in wasting the batf goons that were shot.

it was a publicity stunt by the ATF that was facing funding cuts in congress.
 
I apologize but....

When I hear about this, all I can think of are "Amish gang wars." Seriously...it makes me chuckle.

I imagine M.C. Ezekiel and his "crew" rolling through the community in their buggies for a drive-by. Each gang wears different colored suspenders, and flash Amish gang signs. They taunt each other, saying the other bitch gang "ain't as humble as we are!!" Tagging each others' barns and butter churns. Tipping each others' cows over in the dead of night.


...yeah I'm going to hell. I'll have an aisle seat. Thanks.
 
I think this is about the only time this will EVER be relevant in a thread at DP:




The President and Secretary of State owe the Amish an apology! and it would be understandable if a group of Amish raided Weird Al's home and killed him and his family with sickles for deliberately invoking their rage. You Tube and Google clearly are religious bigots agreeing to inflame murderous violence by not pulling this video. Your insensitivity to the Amish by posting this is shocking.
 
actually two of the agents were killed by their own people

and none of the davidians were convicted of murder meaning they were justified or at least excused in wasting the batf goons that were shot.

it was a publicity stunt by the ATF that was facing funding cuts in congress.

Yes, they weren't convicted because the majority of them decided to set the building on fire. You think David Koresh wouldn't be in jail today if he'd simply come out of his hole? The guy was a Jim Jones wannabe.
 
Yes, they weren't convicted because the majority of them decided to set the building on fire. You think David Koresh wouldn't be in jail today if he'd simply come out of his hole? The guy was a Jim Jones wannabe.

He was nutcase but the raid was a complete abomination. It was a publicity stunt by a bunch of assholes.
 
He was nutcase but the raid was a complete abomination. It was a publicity stunt by a bunch of assholes.

Sure and David Koresh was a crazy **** as demonstrated by his actions. You can blame the ATF all you want but in the end blame lies on the citizen who decided it was reasonable to lock himself, kids and women and a ****load of guns when they had federal agents at their door.
 
Yes, they weren't convicted because the majority of them decided to set the building on fire. You think David Koresh wouldn't be in jail today if he'd simply come out of his hole? The guy was a Jim Jones wannabe.


They could have arrested him when he came to town on their weapons charge. Arresting him wasn't the goal. Eliminating the "religious cult" was. They were 100% successful in that goal. Joe Biden's statement that the Branch Dravidians "committed suicide" - with photos of little child dead as so bent backward by muscle convolutions from the poison sprayed into the building is why I have always despised Joe Biden irregardless of any partisan consideration.

If they had arrested David Koresh on the weapon's charge even with the maximum he'd have been out on bond that day and even maximum sentence served within a year. Why not tell the actually charge on the warrant - used to kill the women, child and rest using military tanks?

But your message as a total partisan Democrat confirms my point. You, they, wanted Koresh and the cult destroyed, not to arrest him on a minor warrant.
But, then, OMG they were polygamists! Therefore they all needed to die!!!
 
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