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Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

Sharon read my post.."Even Libyan authorities said this behavior was criminal in nature and arrested several people connected with this."


Face it you do not know what you are talking about!

Of course its criminal... The violence is inexcusable.

But, let's make a distinction between terrorists and protestors.

I think think its probably healthy and forward progress for Arabs to protest what they disagree with.

Do you see what I mean? The goal is civic participation. That's the beginning of organic democratic process... and I think it empowers the people and the government to go after the renegades and stop them.

Remember I lived in Libya briefly when Idris was king and Libya had an enlightened constitution.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060941344 said:
There is evidence of quite a large number of people who hate America and have demonstrated their hate across the world. Care to venture a guess as to their ethnicity or creed?

Stupid is as stupid does.
Forrest Gump

Well yeah.. and look at where it is the worst.. Afghanistan is illiterate and occupied and Pakistan is terminally poor.
 
I see the liberal obama lovers just don't want to discuss this.:lol:

Maybe we don't enjoy helping terrorists as much as you. I believe the ruse that Alqeada was not involved was an attempt to fool the attackers into believing they are not being pursued. You don't like that because it may have made catching them easier. Politics make strange bedfellows.
 
Well yeah.. and look at where it is the worst.. Afghanistan is illiterate and occupied and Pakistan is terminally poor.

And the US continues to pump billions of dollars into a continuously flushing toilet.
 
Maybe we don't enjoy helping terrorists as much as you.

Your foreign policy indicates otherwise.

Too bad there's not another Osama Bin Laden for Obama to kill.

“If I convened a meeting with Muslim leaders around the world to discuss how they can align themselves against terrorism …,” he said, “I’d do so with the credibility of someone who has lived in a Muslim country. All these things can make a difference.”

I guess he was wrong about this, eh?

Despite Obama’s background and deliberate outreach to the Islamic world, international opinion polls have not found an improvement in America’s standing in the eyes of Muslims.

On a contrary, a major Pew Global Attitudes Project survey last June found that in four key Muslim countries – Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon – U.S. favorability ratings were even lower in 2012 than they were in 2008, the last year of a Republican administration accused in some Muslim circles of having “declared war on Islam” after 9/11.

Out of 14 countries included in the overall survey, only four were Muslim. And those were the only four that produced lower scores under Obama than under President Bush in 2008.

Similarly, a Zogby International poll in mid-2011 found that favorable views of the U.S. had dropped by more than half in six Arab countries over two years, from an average 33 percent in 2009 to 15 percentin 2011. The countries were Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia.

The NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released Tuesday found the president’s foreign policy approval among registered voters at 49 percent, down from 54 percent one month earlier.

“The fall was steeper among independents, going from 53 percent in August to 41 percent,” NBC reported.

Obama

So much for appeasement...

I guess foreign policy is now a factor in the 2012 election.
 
Of course its criminal... The violence is inexcusable.

But, let's make a distinction between terrorists and protestors.

I think think its probably healthy and forward progress for Arabs to protest what they disagree with.

Do you see what I mean? The goal is civic participation. That's the beginning of organic democratic process... and I think it empowers the people and the government to go after the renegades and stop them.

Remember I lived in Libya briefly when Idris was king and Libya had an enlightened constitution.

I had made a distinction in my previous posts and you responded with "this is NOT the case in Muslim lands".....now you wish to make my position your position.....not happening here.
 
I had made a distinction in my previous posts and you responded with "this is NOT the case in Muslim lands".....now you wish to make my position your position.....not happening here.

I happen to like these people of Libya, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia... because I have spent time around them..

And I am not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I am an old broad who was taught from 1950 to represent the US as an ambassador.

Do you understand the concept of good will and hands off?

As an American in the ME I would NEVER undermine US policy with sloppy talk.
 
How funny.. Our goverment had NOTHING to do with that film, yet you think that Muslim terrorists represent ALL Muslims and their governments. Stupidity isn't confined to one ethnicity or a single creed.

If they had nothing to do with the film why are they mentioning it at all?
 
Of course.. In our country you can say ANYTHING.. Like Rush claiming that men's genitals are shrinking because of women.

This is NOT the case in Muslim lands.

No, in Muslim lands its the women's genitals which are being tampered with, and parts disappearing.
 
You are NOT a Muslim... American culture is NOT the same as culture in Libya..

American culture is NOT the same as culture in Libya?

What an insight!!

Hands up those who thought it was~!!!
 
I happen to like these people of Libya, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia... because I have spent time around them..

And I am not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I am an old broad who was taught from 1950 to represent the US as an ambassador.

Do you understand the concept of good will and hands off?

As an American in the ME I would NEVER undermine US policy with sloppy talk.

You past several posts including this one have been unresponsive to mine. You are undermining this discussion with "sloppy talk".
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060941178 said:
First, any idiot would know the US Government had nothing to do with the making of that film, even Muslims across the world. Second, the White House released statements picked up by news agencies across the world condemning the film. By paying for a video ad that cost $70,000 in tax payer contributions to make himself look good in a Muslim community is just more appeasement of the Muslim community.

Since he became POTUS his pandering to Muslims have showed his weakness as a world leader. They don't like or respect him anymore than they did before. Now look at the results.

But hey, what's money to the 6 trillion dollar man?

What's that odor?

Why I believe it is the stench of political desperation emanating from the Far Right:lamo
 
What's that odor?

It's US liberal foreign policy, lies from the White House, and those who support it stinking up the place. I'm surprised you can smell it.

After almost one week of blaming the terrorist attack of a US Consulate in Libya and the killing of the American ambassador on an obscure YouTube.com video and denying a terrorist connection to the attack, the President Barack Obama, the White House and the Obama administration on Thursday and Friday slowly changed their tune with a near-perfect example of a political flip-flop

"The Obama administration were certain that most of the mainstream news media would echo the 'party line' but they weren't able to prevent people such as Fox News Channel's top national security correspondent, Catherine Herridge, who exposed the deceitful comments emanating from the White House and the State Department," said former U.S. Marine scout-sniper and NYPD sergeant Harold McCallister.

Obama White House flip-flops on embassy attack in Libya - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com
 
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The obama administration's pathetic attempt to say the killings of our US ambassador and others was just a random protest is falling apart. This was an Alquiada terrorist attack and as the facts come out obama will be forced to admit his foreign policy in the mid east has failed. Can't blame this one on Bush.

"U.S. officials told The Wall Street Journal on Friday that they are investigating indications that a local group of Libyan militants, Ansar al Sharia, held a series of conversations Tuesday with al Qaeda extremists about the assault that day on the consulate, in the first sign of possible coordination in the attack between local fighters and the global terrorist movement."

"The crowd of several hundred Libyans overran the consulate Tuesday night, shooting a hail of bullets and grenades and overwhelming the lightly guarded compound before allegedly setting fire to the main buildings where American staff lived and worked. U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and a second diplomat, Sean Smith, died in the fire."

Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack - WSJ.com


"Considering the fact that many Americans expressed grave concerns when President Obama first talked about his plans to close Guantanamo Bay (and to house and try suspected Al Qaeda operatives on U.S. soil instead), it is understandable why the White House might sit on that information.
The Obama administration would not want Americans to know that an ex-Gitmo detainee, released on his watch, might have been involved in the brutal deaths of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three of his staff."

Fox News, Arab News beat White House, State Dept. in Libya investigation - National Criminal Profiles | Examiner.com


If it comes out that a terrorist that Obama released from GITMO was instrumental in this attack, BYE BYE OBAMA!


I think it was pretty much shown from Day 1 on these threads that AQ were behind the attack. For as mentioned the taking out of Al-Libi a massively important propaganda asset for AQ, was the motive.*
I've argued that point out on a few threads.

*In Benghazi the locals are pissed with the WW2 grave destroyers*
-*Al Sharia (the guys behind it) as they see them as decoupling they're hard-fought revolution by putting them at unwanted *odds with the West.*

Libya still lacks any real Law & Order and the new tribal/militia power structure is a massive problem that hasn't been solved.

Obama doesn't know how to handle it as he does not want to offend. Don't get me wrong, Bush nearly intentionally offended and made the US alot more hated then it needed be. But the fallacy of 'like me only' policy is being shown up.*

What Obama needs to do is realise that their is a different attitude and belief system when it comes to justice over there. Forget Western attitudes, the ideas of people in the most Right Wing part of Texas are very different to the most liberal part of California.

Let a Texan be a Texan, Let a Libyan be a Libyan. It ain't SOCAL

Give the loyal militias the back up they need, find the perps, put them to a Libyan court, and then put them infront of a Libyan Govt firing squad.

And if he did release from Gitmo, one of the guys who went and done it. Don't cover it up, admit it, learn from it, and move on. I'd rather be historically remembered for making the needed decisions, than winning a short term election popularity contest. Which is so expensive and decadent on both sides it's just laughable. What happened to exchanging intelligent debate against your rival?



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The protestors didn't arrive in pick up trucks with RPGs..

Even Amb Stevens knew there were AQ friendly militia in Derna, Marsa Brega and Benghazi.. Obama said as much.. The video just made it worse and gave cover to the terrorists.

What the WSJ article makes clear is although one Libyan militia group, Ansar al Sharia, "held a series of conversations Tuesday (Sept 11) with al Qaeda extremists about the assault that day on the (Benghazi) consulate...U.S.officials said it wasn't known whether the leadership of either group (Ansar al Sharia or Al Qaeda) directed the militants executing the attack, or whether members may have acted on their own accord."

Now, according to an article from theHill.com, "Senate GOP furious newspaper got better briefing on Libya," militants gained access to the U.S. compound after 9:35 pm on Sept. 11, American security forces attempted to retake it at 10:45 pm and American and Libyan forces regained control of the main compound around 11:20 pm, before evacuating. You can even find a timeline of events at NYTimes.com.

Was this a planned attack as in a large-scale terrorist event like 9/11? Maybe...given the number of terrorist attacks that took place throughout the Muslim World at various U.S. Embassies and Consulates. However, we must be careful not to jump to conclusions. Remember: The WSJ article indicates that the two factions held communications one day - Tuesday - hours prior to the attacks in Libya and Egypt. With today's widespread access to social media, it's very possible that attacks in other parts of the world were merely copy-cats - people with anti-American views rallying against what this anti-Islamic/anti-Muhhamed video depicted taking their cue from others who spread anti-American sentiments over the Web. It's not to hard to believe that one or two riotious acts spread into other acts of violence. Think it impossible? Consider how quickly such public protest displays quickly caught steam here in the U.S., i.e, the Tea Party Movement and the Occupy Movement.

The obama media is desperately trying to not report this act of terrorism because it shows obama's foreign policy is a disaster and he got these Americans killed with his naive opinion that terrorism was over, the Muslims love him and would never do this. The lack of security was criminal negligence.

I wouldn't go that far. For starters, I've long said what better way to try to combat anti-American sentiments throughout the Muslim world than to have a President who understands the basic tenants of Islam and can use its religions belief structure against those who would do evil, not good? It seems far fetched, but isn't it better than following a path of appeasement? To that, I wouldn't dare say that President Obama went on a Middle-Eastern "apology tour". For most of the countries he visited and said, "Sorry, our bad," were in Europe and Central Asia. Why not apologies to your allies, not your enemies? I get that those on the Right have used his Cairo speech as "evidence" of appeasement to Muslims, but those who take that view either haven't read the speech (or listen to it for that matter; video link here) or failed to comprehend the broader context of it.

I've come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles -- principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

Folks have to also remember that the notion of spreading democracy throughout the Muslim world was a doctrinal concept that has its origins among Neo-Cons from the Nixon presidency, was re-introduced during the Clinton Administration and finally manifested itself with the "Bush Doctrine". And as anyone who has studied foreign affairs would tell you, spreading democracy in areas of the world where power wasn't gained by the consent of the people has always taken time to stabalize once the dictator was removed from power. Such will be the case all across the Middle-East where one tyrannt is removed and a democratically elected government elected by the people begins to take root. To that, President Obama's foreign policy doctrine has yet to be written and instead we, if not the world, are still feeling the after-effects of the Bush Doctrine. Not a "blame Bush" excuse, just a rational assessment of what's going on in certain parts of the world today. However, the pundits are correct in that sooner rather than later, the Obama Administration will have to outline its on foreign policy doctrine for the Middle-East.

Μολὼν λαβέ;1060941178 said:
First, any idiot would know the US Government had nothing to do with the making of that film, even Muslims across the world. Second, the White House released statements picked up by news agencies across the world condemning the film. By paying for a video ad that cost $70,000 in tax payer contributions to make himself look good in a Muslim community is just more appeasement of the Muslim community.

Since he became POTUS his pandering to Muslims have showed his weakness as a world leader. They don't like or respect him anymore than they did before. Now look at the results.

But hey, what's money to the 6 trillion dollar man?

See last paragraph above...:roll:
 


Oops. I guess what was obvious to the rest of the free thinking world wasn't obvious to Ambassador Rice.

Rice's account directly contradicts that of Libyan President Mohamed Yousef El-Magariaf, who said this weekend that he had "no doubt" the attack was pre-planned by individuals from outside Libya.

"It was planned, definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their arrival," told CBS News.

The Libyan President makes a good case for enforcing immigration laws as well.

Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - Yahoo! News
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060942227 said:


Oops. I guess what was obvious to the rest of the free thinking world wasn't obvious to Ambassador Rice.



The Libyan President makes a good case for enforcing immigration laws as well.

Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - Yahoo! News


It's difficult to tell if they were so stupid as to not know what everyone else did, they were lying again, or honestly believed that they truth could hide the truth indefinitely. They can lie domestically because the media will support them and the left will believe whatever they're told. But this is far more difficult to maintain this crap in the outside world.

The same goes for Obama, Hillary, and their Press Secretary Charlie McCarthy.
 
If they had nothing to do with the film why are they mentioning it at all?

The Obama Administration mentions the anti-Islam film because according to preliminary evidence many of the anti-American protests were initiated not because of a coordinate attack planned by Muslim extremist but rather were excalated due to the mass circulation of the anti-Islam film via social networking. As I stated in my previous post, it is quite possible that there was a blending of anti-American protest and Muslim extremist using the film as a springboard to piggy backing off one another to promote violence. Sounds far-fetched, but based on what little evidence that has been made public that seems to be the case here.
 
Aaaahh! Taking part of a post and quoting it to support your position. Very clever.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Swing state polls put Obama closer to election-day win | Constitution Daily


Why Americans would vote for this obvious loser remains a mystery but perhaps, over the past few years, they have come to identify more with losers than winners. Winners make them nervous, as does self reliance and responsibility. That's the only way to explain a vote for Barrack Obama.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060942227 said:


Oops. I guess what was obvious to the rest of the free thinking world wasn't obvious to Ambassador Rice.



The Libyan President makes a good case for enforcing immigration laws as well.

Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - Yahoo! News


But she's right. The anti-American protests did start in Cairo, Egypt and spread from there. Benghazi, Libya was next soon followed by violent outbreaks in several other Muslim countries.
 
The Obama Administration mentions the anti-Islam film because according to preliminary evidence many of the anti-American protests were initiated not because of a coordinate attack planned by Muslim extremist but rather were excalated due to the mass circulation of the anti-Islam film via social networking.

Only the Kool Aid drinkers ever believed that. No serious person ever did.
As I stated in my previous post, it is quite possible that there was a blending of anti-American protest and Muslim extremist using the film as a springboard to piggy backing off one another to promote violence. Sounds far-fetched, but based on what little evidence that has been made public that seems to be the case here.

Unless there are segments of the Islamic population who are at war with the west and will continue their occasional attacks, riots, murders, etc. in order to further their own agenda and to keep western populations nervous, off balance, and eager to appease. There is more evidence for the latter explanation.
 
But she's right. The anti-American protests did start in Cairo, Egypt and spread from there. Benghazi, Libya was next soon followed by violent outbreaks in several other Muslim countries.

But only after they saw the trailer, huh?, and then they became so pissed off they began killing people at random, including other Muslims.

That is what Bush referred to as "The soft bigotry of lowered expectations", though that bigotry isn't always so soft. It seems you really don't expect much from Muslims.
 
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