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Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggling?

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Oh this recovery sucks. But most financial recession ones do. It really doesn't help that individuals are deleveraging as well. Savings go up, spending goes down.

QE effectively keeps borrowing rates low which does prop up some demand.

What I don't get is how some people think that just letting aggregate demand drop will somehow create more jobs. If you remove government spending and there is no corresponding increase in private sector demand, aggregate demand goes down. I've never seen an explanation how reducing demand increases jobs in the private sector. I just hear sound bites about how we need to stop spending and that will cut the deficit. Without a corresponding increase in private sector demand to replace the lost demand, revenues should decline as activity wanes.

This is the fundamental flaw of a balanced budget. Cutting to meet revenues causes aggregate demand drops which then causes less activity and less revenues until you're in default. The relations of activity to tax revenue to spending really seems to be lost on people like Mycroft. Partisans just don't seem to get that basic flow of money through the economy.

Your theory is based on government spending and no increase in the private sector. Have you ever considered getting government out of the way will create private sector expansion, thus being able to cut government spending. Kill the job killing and industry killing EPA, kill Dodd Frank bill, open up our lands to exploration and bring home that 500 billion we send to Oil Lords every yr and all the jobs that go with it. Kill the costly job killing Obamacare, kill regulations that slow businesses to expand, stop subsidizing businesses, all businesses. Lower the corporate tax rate, and the capital gains rate. These are just a few examples. To think you can just continue to borrow and spend to prosperity is insane. All you have to do is look at those countries in Europe and you can easily see more borrowing and spending is not the answer, further no one will give you the money.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

All you have to do is look at those countries in Europe and you can easily see more borrowing and spending is not the answer, further no one will give you the money.

Yeah, just look at Germany. Their auto industry is highly profitable and they produce more cars than we do. Their auto workers are paid twice what ours are. There are far more regulations on them than on our auto makers. Fifty percent of the seats on the board of directors are held by labor.

Regulations hurting business? After all regulations were taken off the banking industry it collapsed.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Your theory is based on government spending and no increase in the private sector.

Which was entirely true in the recent recession. Furthermore, it is generally true in all recessions. As demand decreases, private sector firms cut back as there is overall less demand for their goods. The net outcome is that aggregate demand declines. Without government spending, net aggregate demand will contiune to wane as private sector spending is curtailed to match supply with demand. This is a kind of economics my school taught in 5th grade. Apparently that's abnormal.

Have you ever considered getting government out of the way will create private sector expansion, thus being able to cut government spending.

This requires that government is somehow blocking private sector firms from spending money and hiring people. This also somehow requires government from blocking banks from lending to commercial firms. This also somehow requires government from blocking consumer spending. Government is suppose to cut back spending as private sector spending increases. As net aggregate demand increases due to private sector spending, public sector should cut back leaving the economy at the same net aggregate demand it was before the government cuts. Furthermore, if private sector demand is already spending there is no need for government stimulus to aggregate demand. You seem very unaware of what a recession is and how it impacts private companies.

Kill the job killing and industry killing EPA, kill Dodd Frank bill, open up our lands to exploration and bring home that 500 billion we send to Oil Lords every yr and all the jobs that go with it.

Removing the EPA is a terrible idea. Unless you think arsenic in your water is okay and that firms should be free to pollute how much they want with no regard to the environment. The EPA saved thousands of jobs when it enforced a sulfur cap and trade under Bush Sr. Acid rain was badly damaging the lumber, recreation and fishing industries. Enforcing a law that reduced acid rain saved thousands of jobs at a low cost to polluters who then actually recaptured the sulfur and sold it for profit to industrial firms. The Frank Dodd Bill, while costly to the financial industry will create regulatory jobs. Furthermore, if you think the financial industry has learned its lesson, you clearly have not been paying any attention. We need to bring back the full Glass-Stegall act. Frank-Dodd is not enough. And we already have millions of acres on lease that are not being used by commercial firms. What we should do is force auctions on inactive leases. Buy a lease from the government and you have 5 years to use it. Failure to do so causes the lease to go to auction. The notion that we are barring firms from using resources is total crap if you look at the inactive land leases that the private sector holds. As for oil, the largest US export last year was refined oil products. How about you call for the banning of export of refined oil products before pushing more drilling?

Kill the costly job killing Obamacare, kill regulations that slow businesses to expand, stop subsidizing businesses, all businesses.

Obamcare isn't even in affect yet. Furthermore, Obamacare should actually reduce premiums as people are forced to pay for their own insurance. That should leave private firms with more money to hire. And if you stop subsidizing businesses, they stop hiring and curtail operations, we see this right now with thousands of small high tech businesses collapsing as the high tech business federal tax credits ended. You just called for job killing proposals. It is pretty clear from your sound bites you really don't understand much of what you say. It seems all you are doing is regurgitating what Fox news tells you without anything of your own original thought.

Lower the corporate tax rate, and the capital gains rate. These are just a few examples.

The US has one of the lower effective average corporate tax rates in the World. Before you make an asinine statement, learn what effective is verse statutory.

To think you can just continue to borrow and spend to prosperity is insane

Worked for Bush.

All you have to do is look at those countries in Europe and you can easily see more borrowing and spending is not the answer, further no one will give you the money.

Uh that is highly simplistic. Every country in Europe that is having problems has its own situation. Spain had solid financials going into the recession but with a private sector that built a huge housing boom. Spain's problem is basically a deep recession. They did not over spend or promise benefits that were excessive. Spain was in many ways a model financial country back in 2007.

Ireland's problems stem essentially from Fianna Fail's promise to back unilaterally all of its banks. Bad idea. Essentially bad private sector banking was backed by the government without the government looking at what it was backing. Ireland's financials were solid in 2007 as well.

The only real nation that actually had a problem from the beginning in the government was Greece. But Greece suffers from a wholesale culture of tax evasion, weak exports and overspending. It's hard to make your budget balance when your people are actively evading taxes.

The fact that you treat Europe as a single block shows you really don't care about the facts or educating yourself. But that gels with your sound bite only no original material post. You want sound bites, not real understanding.
 
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Yeah, just look at Germany. Their auto industry is highly profitable and they produce more cars than we do. Their auto workers are paid twice what ours are. There are far more regulations on them than on our auto makers. Fifty percent of the seats on the board of directors are held by labor.

Regulations hurting business? After all regulations were taken off the banking industry it collapsed.

Users like Born Free do not research topics much. German Auto industry also makes superior models that sell often for premiums. While there are more affordable subsidiaries, the bulk of German auto industry is not going after the low priced market. The US auto industry is far different with everything from cheap cars to who would pay that kind of money cars.

I do agree that letting the financial industry police itself was a terrible idea. Blame Clinton and the GOP for getting rid of Glass-Stegall.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Oh this recovery sucks. But most financial recession ones do. It really doesn't help that individuals are deleveraging as well. Savings go up, spending goes down.

QE effectively keeps borrowing rates low which does prop up some demand.

What I don't get is how some people think that just letting aggregate demand drop will somehow create more jobs. If you remove government spending and there is no corresponding increase in private sector demand, aggregate demand goes down. I've never seen an explanation how reducing demand increases jobs in the private sector. I just hear sound bites about how we need to stop spending and that will cut the deficit. Without a corresponding increase in private sector demand to replace the lost demand, revenues should decline as activity wanes.

This is the fundamental flaw of a balanced budget. Cutting to meet revenues causes aggregate demand drops which then causes less activity and less revenues until you're in default. The relations of activity to tax revenue to spending really seems to be lost on people like Mycroft. Partisans just don't seem to get that basic flow of money through the economy.

I don't think you can cite one post from me that calls for a balanced budget. In times like these I would like to see a more sustainable deficit level being run. Something around the long term growth prospects for the nation of 2-3%. Running unsustainable deficit levels leads people to be concerned about the viability of our economy in my view. Fed chairman Bernanke has repeatedly called for a plan to get deficits down to sustainable levels in the "medium term". That is usually 3-5 years. He has said that for about 3-4 years so we should be at a point of starting to reduce our dependency on Federal deficits.

People keep talking about demand, but we reality is we need demand in specific, hard hit areas. For example, the chairman talks about the need to keep deflation away, which I agree is a demand killer. My sense is that keeping interest rates, especially mortgage rates low with the expectation of them going lower is actually hurting demand for housing. Why buy a house now, even with rates low when the Fed is doing everything possible to lower rates even more. I could be wrong but even the hint of mortgage rates rising a bit would take people off the sidelines and buying now rather than delaying with the knowledge that rates will only go in one direction for the next few years, down.

Unsustainable high deficit brings the threat of higher taxes, or inflation or both down the road which can be a deflator when thinking about how to get people to invest, which is a form of demand.

As you know in a large, varied economy such as the U.S. there are many levers that move the lever, demand being one. I would tend to disagree that the key for more demand comes solely from federal government spending. Perhaps to much spending creates the inverse as people are fearful of long term consequences thus the increase in savings.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Users like Born Free do not research topics much. German Auto industry also makes superior models that sell often for premiums. While there are more affordable subsidiaries, the bulk of German auto industry is not going after the low priced market. The US auto industry is far different with everything from cheap cars to who would pay that kind of money cars.

I do agree that letting the financial industry police itself was a terrible idea. Blame Clinton and the GOP for getting rid of Glass-Stegall.

Look to the real demons of the financial crisis and you may find that getting rid of Glass-Stegall had a lot less to do with the crisis than the shadow banking industry, such as Countrywide writing no doc mortgages, the rating agencies giving AAA ratings to junk mortgage bonds, the fed and SEC not doing a good job of regulating with the laws already on the books and not reining in leverage at the big banks including the allowing them to create off balance sheet SIVs.
 
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I don't think you can cite one post from me that calls for a balanced budget.

I'm just preemptive a stupid Republican from making a stupid statement. You didn't cite anything of the sort.

In times like these I would like to see a more sustainable deficit level being run. Something around the long term growth prospects for the nation of 2-3%. Running unsustainable deficit levels leads people to be concerned about the viability of our economy in my view. Fed chairman Bernanke has repeatedly called for a plan to get deficits down to sustainable levels in the "medium term". That is usually 3-5 years. He has said that for about 3-4 years so we should be at a point of starting to reduce our dependency on Federal deficits.

But we both know the US does not have the political will for that. Americans want our cakes and to eat them too. We want services, spending and jobs and low taxes. Honestly, you cannot do that forever.

People keep talking about demand, but we reality is we need demand in specific, hard hit areas. For example, the chairman talks about the need to keep deflation away, which I agree is a demand killer. My sense is that keeping interest rates, especially mortgage rates low with the expectation of them going lower is actually hurting demand for housing. Why buy a house now, even with rates low when the Fed is doing everything possible to lower rates even more. I could be wrong but even the hint of mortgage rates rising a bit would take people off the sidelines and buying now rather than delaying with the knowledge that rates will only go in one direction for the next few years, down.

That's true, but I still never get an answer as to how reducing demand increases jobs. Born Free has fled the thread. Not surprisingly as I've never met a partisan hack who had the chops to actually stay in an adult discussion. But you're right in that raising mortgage rates abet, slowly would cause those with the wait and see mode to jump in.

Unsustainable high deficit brings the threat of higher taxes, or inflation or both down the road which can be a deflator when thinking about how to get people to invest, which is a form of demand.

Not to mention service cuts.

As you know in a large, varied economy such as the U.S. there are many levers that move the lever, demand being one. I would tend to disagree that the key for more demand comes solely from federal government spending. Perhaps to much spending creates the inverse as people are fearful of long term consequences thus the increase in savings.

The key for more demand when total private sector demand drops off is government spending as there isn't anything else. When the private sector curtails its spending, there is no other source to pick up the slack except the government. Born Free operates under this insane notion that as private sector demand decreases, private sector jobs will increase if we do not spend money via the government. Some of the loony fringe right wing economics to me is literally voodoo. Makes no sense whatsoever. The problem with fiscal as you said is that it can go over board and create new problems. But in terms of choices between private sector and public sector, if one drops and the other doesn't increase, net aggregate will fall. How that creates new jobs, I don't get and I don't even think people like Born Free really understand. They are just parroting Fox.
 
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I'm just preemptive a stupid Republican from making a stupid statement. You didn't cite anything of the sort.



But we both know the US does not have the political will for that. Americans want our cakes and to eat them too. We want services, spending and jobs and low taxes. Honestly, you cannot do that forever.



That's true, but I still never get an answer as to how reducing demand increases jobs. Born Free has fled the thread. Not surprisingly as I've never met a partisan hack who had the chops to actually stay in an adult discussion. But you're right in that raising mortgage rates abet, slowly would cause those with the wait and see mode to jump in.



Not to mention service cuts.



The key for more demand when total private sector demand drops off is government spending as there isn't anything else. When the private sector curtails its spending, there is no other source to pick up the slack except the government. Born Free operates under this insane notion that as private sector demand decreases, private sector jobs will increase if we do not spend money via the government. Some of the loony fringe right wing economics to me is literally voodoo. Makes no sense whatsoever. The problem with fiscal as you said is that it can go over board and create new problems. But in terms of choices between private sector and public sector, if one drops and the other doesn't increase, net aggregate will fall. How that creates new jobs, I don't get and I don't even think people like Born Free really understand. They are just parroting Fox.

So I am a stupid Republican. I have been a democrat for more than 40 years you idiot.

You are in the black and white partisan box that says that if we change one part of demand ( the government in your case) then the other will be static. Not sure what makes you so certain in a world when PHDs in economics even those of the Federal reserve come to different answers.

If only the world was as certain as political hacks want to believe. Life would be so much easier.
 
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So I am a stupid Republican. I have been a democrat for more than 40 years you idiot.

I didn't say you. I said a stupid Republican. Some of the partisan posters like to pop in with idiotic comments. That was a preemptive strike against a dumb statement someone else might make.

You are in the black and white partisan box that says that if we change one part of demand ( the government in your case) then the other will be static.

Come again? Where did I say any of that?

You're right though as government spending declines private sector activity based on it should decline as well. My point is that as one part of the economy reduces activity, without a corresponding increase from the other, net aggregate demand will fall.

You posting drunk?
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

...as government spending declines private sector activity based on it should decline as well. My point is that as one part of the economy reduces activity, without a corresponding increase from the other, net aggregate demand will fall.

Just a question, this spending you speak of, is there any reason to believe that if the government cuts off the faucet, that the private sector won't correspondingly pick it up in some areas?
 
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Just a question, this spending you speak of, is there any reason to believe that if the government cuts off the faucet, that the private sector won't correspondingly pick it up in some areas?

Why would the private sector spend money when there is no additional demand?

If the government cuts spending but there is no one buying your product, why would you go out and hire 10 more people and buy more manufacturing machines to make goods no one is buying pass your current production?

The private sector does not spend money to meet demand that does not exist. As demand decreases, private sector cuts activity to meet that demand. Unless it sees coming demand, it will not make additional investments. As demand drops, spending matches to supply that level of demand.

This is basic. Really, really, really basic.
 
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Why would the private sector spend money when there is no additional demand?

If the government cuts spending but there is no one buying your product, why would you go out and hire 10 more people and buy more manufacturing machines to make goods no one is buying pass your current production?

The private sector does not spend money to meet demand that does not exist. As demand decreases, private sector cuts activity to meet that demand. Unless it sees coming demand, it will not make additional investments. As demand drops, spending matches to supply that level of demand.

This is basic. Really, really, really basic.


I know OC, but bare with me, you are way more knowledgeable in economics than I am, so I apologize if my questions seem elementary to you, but I am just a regular guy trying to understand it all...But you said something above that sparks my interest. That is...

If the government cuts spending but there is no one buying your product, why would you go out and hire 10 more people and buy more manufacturing machines to make goods no one is buying pass your current production?

Why would not the proper answer to this be, If a company is not able to sell its product on the market without governmental assistance, then they should be out of business.
 
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I know OC, but bare with me, you are way more knowledgeable in economics than I am, so I apologize if my questions seem elementary to you, but I am just a regular guy trying to understand it all...But you said something above that sparks my interest. That is...

You work for a trucking company right?

If orders for deliveries drop considerably, your firm will cut back the number of trucks on the road and cut trucker hours correct? Thus leading to less money in worker's pockets, fewer new trucks and less fuel purchases. Which results in less activity at gas stations, truck manufacturers and worker spending. As demand drops, companies cut back hours, cut back purchases of raw materials and cut back on investments. Rather than buying 10 new trucks, they only by 2 or 3. This ripples through the economy as business after business cuts back on their spending reducing demand at every level.

Why would not the proper answer to this be, If a company is not able to sell its product on the market without governmental assistance, then they should be out of business.

Come again? The company is selling less product then it did before because demand has declined. I'm not saying the company is reliant upon government assistance, but some are, largely DoD firms, but merely that private sector activity curtails activities. My point is that if government cuts spending at the same time private sector cuts spending, total aggregate demand will fall. If government doesn't pick up the reduction by ordering more goods or requisition more bridges, then net activity will drop and businesses will see this ripple through. For instance, if developers hire a contractor to put a road in for a development, but because of low demand for new housing they stop their developments, that contractor is now out of work. The government often steps in an requests a repavement of an existing road or accelerates the repavement (as government should be repaving anyways). That keeps the contractor busy, so he keeps buying raw materials and he keeps his employee hours the same. If government does not request this and developers stop hiring him, he's now faced with less activity. So he cuts back his purchases of materials and cuts his employee hours. His suppliers now have less demand so they start cutting. So on and so forth. When private sector activity wanes, unless there is a corresponding increase in government demand, net aggregate demand will drop. Leading to less investment, fewer jobs and less activity.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

You work for a trucking company right?

If orders for deliveries drop considerably, your firm will cut back the number of trucks on the road and cut trucker hours correct? Thus leading to less money in worker's pockets, fewer new trucks and less fuel purchases. Which results in less activity at gas stations, truck manufacturers and worker spending. As demand drops, companies cut back hours, cut back purchases of raw materials and cut back on investments. Rather than buying 10 new trucks, they only by 2 or 3. This ripples through the economy as business after business cuts back on their spending reducing demand at every level.



Come again? The company is selling less product then it did before because demand has declined. I'm not saying the company is reliant upon government assistance, but some are, largely DoD firms, but merely that private sector activity curtails activities. My point is that if government cuts spending at the same time private sector cuts spending, total aggregate demand will fall. If government doesn't pick up the reduction by ordering more goods or requisition more bridges, then net activity will drop and businesses will see this ripple through. For instance, if developers hire a contractor to put a road in for a development, but because of low demand for new housing they stop their developments, that contractor is now out of work. The government often steps in an requests a repavement of an existing road or accelerates the repavement (as government should be repaving anyways). That keeps the contractor busy, so he keeps buying raw materials and he keeps his employee hours the same. If government does not request this and developers stop hiring him, he's now faced with less activity. So he cuts back his purchases of materials and cuts his employee hours. His suppliers now have less demand so they start cutting. So on and so forth. When private sector activity wanes, unless there is a corresponding increase in government demand, net aggregate demand will drop. Leading to less investment, fewer jobs and less activity.


Well, thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. I understand what you are saying, however right or wrong, I think there is another side to this, and will do some more research on my own, and get back to ya...
 
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Well, thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. I understand what you are saying, however right or wrong, I think there is another side to this, and will do some more research on my own, and get back to ya...

I don't see the other side here. There is public spending and there is private spending. There's no one else out there to hire that contractor to put another road in if both the government and private sector industries stop hiring contractors to put roads in. If both sides stop contracting work for new roads, the contractor who builds roads has no work. Unless there is a third magical side of the economy that is not part of the private sector or the public sector, there isn't another side.
 
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I don't see the other side here. There is public spending and there is private spending. There's no one else out there to hire that contractor to put another road in if both the government and private sector industries stop hiring contractors to put roads in. If both sides stop contracting work for new roads, the contractor who builds roads has no work. Unless there is a third magical side of the economy that is not part of the private sector or the public sector, there isn't another side.


If it were only roads you are talking about then that is constitutional, and I have no problem with it. In fact we already have a portion of our taxes go for that on the local, as well as Federal. But you were not only talking about roads construction. In fact you cited my trucking company, which has nothing at all to do with construction of any kind.

My problem lies with the current administration using my tax money in business speculation, and business take over, like say solar energy. And he is losing it.
 
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Any Conservative or Republican nominee for office would be struggling for the simple reason that the liberal client groups are those who traditionally don't have any stake in the welfare of the country at all. Rather, they are focused on two things: 1) Hatred of traditional white American culture and 2) Free living without consequence. The largest group of this nature is the 80 million permanent dependency class Mexicans that the liberals have imported precisely because they will vote for liberals.

Mexico has shed their most poverty stricken, uneducated underclass, most of whom cannot even learn English. The Mexicans have literally stolen our culture and way of life. With their huge families, they have colonized the United States and their endless demands, coupled with liberal laws favoring them, have ruined our schools, hospitals, police departments, neighborhoods and safety nets.

Regardless of the liberal citizenship routine, they have no loyalty to the United States, they remain Mexicans and they vote for whomever will take care of them and their huge families for life. That is Obama and the liberals.

The one thing all of the various liberal client groups have in common is that they hate traditional America. That hatred unites Mexicans, blacks, all 3rd world immigrants, deranged white women, homosexuals and far surpasses any animosity that those liberal client groups have for each other.
 
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Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Any Conservative or Republican nominee for office would be struggling for the simple reason that the liberal client groups are those who traditionally don't have any stake in the welfare of the country at all. Rather, they are focused on two things: 1) Hatred of traditional white American culture and 2) Free living without consequence. The largest group of this nature is the 80 million permanent dependency class Mexicans that the liberals have imported precisely because they will vote for liberals.

Mexico has shed their most poverty stricken, uneducated underclass, most of whom cannot even learn English. The Mexicans have literally stolen our culture and way of life. With their huge families, they have colonized the United States and their endless demands, coupled with liberal laws favoring them, have ruined our schools, hospitals, police departments, neighborhoods and safety nets.

Regardless of the liberal citizenship routine, they have no loyalty to the United States, they remain Mexicans and they vote for whomever will take care of them and their huge families for life. That is Obama and the liberals.

The one thing all of the various liberal client groups have in common is that they hate traditional America. That hatred unites Mexicans, blacks, all 3rd world immigrants, deranged white women, homosexuals and far surpasses any animosity that those liberal client groups have for each other.

I just don't understand why Republicans aren't more popular with hispanics! :lamo
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Any Conservative or Republican nominee for office would be struggling for the simple reason that the liberal client groups are those who traditionally don't have any stake in the welfare of the country at all. Rather, they are focused on two things: 1) Hatred of traditional white American culture and 2) Free living without consequence. The largest group of this nature is the 80 million permanent dependency class Mexicans that the liberals have imported precisely because they will vote for liberals.

Mexico has shed their most poverty stricken, uneducated underclass, most of whom cannot even learn English. The Mexicans have literally stolen our culture and way of life. With their huge families, they have colonized the United States and their endless demands, coupled with liberal laws favoring them, have ruined our schools, hospitals, police departments, neighborhoods and safety nets.

Regardless of the liberal citizenship routine, they have no loyalty to the United States, they remain Mexicans and they vote for whomever will take care of them and their huge families for life. That is Obama and the liberals.

The one thing all of the various liberal client groups have in common is that they hate traditional America. That hatred unites Mexicans, blacks, all 3rd world immigrants, deranged white women, homosexuals and far surpasses any animosity that those liberal client groups have for each other.

You forgot hippies and atheists. :prof
 
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The one thing all of the various liberal client groups have in common is that they hate traditional America. That hatred unites Mexicans, blacks, all 3rd world immigrants, deranged white women, homosexuals and far surpasses any animosity that those liberal client groups have for each other.

Thanks for clearing this up. I think people in 3rd world countries sit around and just hate America it's almost like baseball to them. Homosexuals also hate America, makes sense. See I thought it was sexual preference, but now I realize that they are all Nazi terrorists who want to watch the country burn to the ground. Thanks for the warning.
 
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OF COURSE VOTERS ARE WORSE OFF - UNDER ANY US ADMINISTRATION

The US president and ALL congress senators are not there to represent VOTERS

THey are puppetery clowns for their COrpocratic masters and lobby groups

So the VOTERS are by definition ALWAYS worse off

In fact those that benefit directly from the Corpocracy, don't VOTE, they LOBBY and purchase senators and presdential candidates
 
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If it were only roads you are talking about then that is constitutional, and I have no problem with it. In fact we already have a portion of our taxes go for that on the local, as well as Federal. But you were not only talking about roads construction. In fact you cited my trucking company, which has nothing at all to do with construction of any kind.

I was talking about a source of investment outside of the private and public sector. You alluded to this. I don't see how anything else can exist outside of those two. It's either private or it's public. There isn't a third model (aside from a public-private venture, but that's neither here nor there).

My problem lies with the current administration using my tax money in business speculation, and business take over, like say solar energy. And he is losing it.

Every Administration does this. Energy, research, weapons, health grants have been occurring for decades. Bush's administration spent billions in. My own very liberal university was doing theoretical weapons research for the Pentagon. I found that hilarious. Mostly because the hippies were all upset over it.

Furthermore, the actual default rate on those loans has been less than 3%. They're doing quite well. What the media does is play up the failures and never discusses the successes.
 
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Romney is struggling because he hasn't convinced people that he understands what they are going through or that he has a plan that is actually going to fix their problems. People see him as a very wealthy man who is out-of-touch with average Americans, a little cocky and dismissive of the poor and middle class, and a person who acquired his wealth mostly by cutting jobs or shipping them overseas. Whether any of those views are true or not, that is his problem.


Romney, is struggling because he has demonstrated himself to be Presidentially Incompetent, by not being able to control his own Presidential Campaign and by not having a stable minded approach to what his own Presidential Policies would be if elected. He's essentially run one of the worst Presidential Campaigns in my lifetime, all based on "one liner statements" and little to know substance to support his summary of claims that he's the better candidate.

You hear and read people talking about Romney's "Accomplishments." Yet, those same people won't tell you what Romney, did as the governor of Massachusetts, when that economy finished 47th out of 50th in employment during his term in office. How can you be 47th out of 50 in employment and then attack the other guy for not having a clue about how to create jobs?

He's also said that he's going to repeal ALL of so-called "Obamacare." Yet, he reverses himself and says that he's not going to repeal ALL of "Obamacare," because he likes certain aspects of "Obamacare." How can you say you are going to repeal ALL of something, only to then claim that you are going to keep portions of that very same thing you said you would repeal outright, as the very first thing you'd do once you came into office?

Mitt Romney, said when he was running for the Senate in Massachusetts, that Kennedy, was taking "millions from Special Interest Groups" and that doing so would force Kennedy, to be influenced on the way he would vote. Mitt, then turns right around in this Presidential campaign and accepts millions from some of the exact same Special Interest Groups that he said would "influence the way you vote."

One minute, Mitt Romney, sounds like he's FOR gun ownership - and the next minute, that same Mitt Romney, sounds like he's ANTI gun ownership. You would think that someone as "competent" as Mitt Romney, would know how to make up his mind on Gun Laws, and whether or not the country needs to reel-in the weapons or not. He says one thing while standing in the halls of the NRA, and then says something completely different when standing outside those same halls. To be honest with you, I am totally confused about where Mitt, stands on Guns in America and Gun Laws that regulate their ownership.

Mitt Romney, said that he did not have Lobbyists running his campaign and/or tied to his election efforts. Yet, Mitt Romney's campaign hired and paid Lobbyist Ron Kaufman, to be a Special Advisor to the Mitt Romney Campaign. When pressed about this by a reporter, he denied that Ron Kaufman, was "running his campaign" - which is odd when you consider what a "special advisor" does inside a National Campaign for their employer.

On the one hand, Mitt Romney, tells small groups of Elderly People around the country that he has no intention of re-structuring Social Security. Yet, he stands in front of a group of baseline party supporters of his campaign and tells the crowd that he plans to re-structure Social Security by privatizing it. He says one thing to one group - then says a different thing to a different group altogether.

He says that he's Pro-Choice to one group and then he turns right around and says that he's now Pro-Life. Out of one side of his mouth, he tells Fox News that he's always opposed abortion. But, in prior years and prior debates for other public offices that he sought, he was fairly clear on his support for "safe abortion and the right of the Woman to make her own choice." He said he would honor his "word" in allowing a Woman's Right to Chose. He's flipped on Pro-Life -vs- Pro-Choice so many times over his political career, that I honestly don't know where he stands on the issue.

He said that our automotive industry should be allowed to go bankrupt. He said the bailouts were a mistake. Yet, in 2008, he was caught saying that the government has a role in preventing further economic decay by utilizing stimulus and that he thought what President Obama did with respect to TARP II and stimulus, was "the right thing to do." Again, I get dizzy just listening to the man talk because he spins and reverses his own policy statements more than a merry-go-round at the Circus.

Romney, said that he wants to get government out of education altogether and then he turns around and says that he supports No Child Left Behind. Again, and again, this man says what he thinks is necessary to get him elected. Romney, says that he's against Cap & Trade. He then turns around later and concludes that we should implement Cap & Trade. But, wait! Romney, flipped that conclusion four (4) times and to this very day, I don't really know whether Romney, believes in Cap & Trade or not.

I can't see how anyone can pin down Romney, long enough on a single issue to understand where he stands on just about anything. So, how can anyone have any opinion about whether or not they would actually vote for him, when you can't say for certain where he stands on the issues? He might be FOR something today at 5:00pm, and then AGAINST that very same thing by 12:00pm two days, or a week from now.

That is NOT leadership on the issues. That is crystal clear Presidential Incompetency. He simply lacks the ability to make a decision and then stick to it. The only thing he has stuck to, has been his willingness to not stick to anything longer than it takes to get him elected.

Will The Real Romney Please Stand Up?
 
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Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Just who are these magical "Feds". Do they fly around? I think I saw one the other day, it was purple with pink polka dots.

D.O.D. and D.O.J.

They control the media and election machine. They select the politicians to control the government. That's why even Clinton did a good job in his last term, Bush won the election. What the Feds needed was not a good economy, they need war and the Patriot Act. Several month after his election, 911 happened which satisfied what the Feds needed.

This time, Obama will give the Feds something Romney can't give. So you saw Romney is under the fire of media despite the life of Americans is worse off after four years reign of Obama.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Romney, is struggling because he has demonstrated himself to be Presidentially Incompetent, by not being able to control his own Presidential Campaign and by not having a stable minded approach to what his own Presidential Policies would be if elected. He's essentially run one of the worst Presidential Campaigns in my lifetime, all based on "one liner statements" and little to know substance to support his summary of claims that he's the better candidate.

You hear and read people talking about Romney's "Accomplishments." Yet, those same people won't tell you what Romney, did as the governor of Massachusetts, when that economy finished 47th out of 50th in employment during his term in office. How can you be 47th out of 50 in employment and then attack the other guy for not having a clue about how to create jobs?

He's also said that he's going to repeal ALL of so-called "Obamacare." Yet, he reverses himself and says that he's not going to repeal ALL of "Obamacare," because he likes certain aspects of "Obamacare." How can you say you are going to repeal ALL of something, only to then claim that you are going to keep portions of that very same thing you said you would repeal outright, as the very first thing you'd do once you came into office?

Mitt Romney, said when he was running for the Senate in Massachusetts, that Kennedy, was taking "millions from Special Interest Groups" and that doing so would force Kennedy, to be influenced on the way he would vote. Mitt, then turns right around in this Presidential campaign and accepts millions from some of the exact same Special Interest Groups that he said would "influence the way you vote."

One minute, Mitt Romney, sounds like he's FOR gun ownership - and the next minute, that same Mitt Romney, sounds like he's ANTI gun ownership. You would think that someone as "competent" as Mitt Romney, would know how to make up his mind on Gun Laws, and whether or not the country needs to reel-in the weapons or not. He says one thing while standing in the halls of the NRA, and then says something completely different when standing outside those same halls. To be honest with you, I am totally confused about where Mitt, stands on Guns in America and Gun Laws that regulate their ownership.

Mitt Romney, said that he did not have Lobbyists running his campaign and/or tied to his election efforts. Yet, Mitt Romney's campaign hired and paid Lobbyist Ron Kaufman, to be a Special Advisor to the Mitt Romney Campaign. When pressed about this by a reporter, he denied that Ron Kaufman, was "running his campaign" - which is odd when you consider what a "special advisor" does inside a National Campaign for their employer.

On the one hand, Mitt Romney, tells small groups of Elderly People around the country that he has no intention of re-structuring Social Security. Yet, he stands in front of a group of baseline party supporters of his campaign and tells the crowd that he plans to re-structure Social Security by privatizing it. He says one thing to one group - then says a different thing to a different group altogether.

He says that he's Pro-Choice to one group and then he turns right around and says that he's now Pro-Life. Out of one side of his mouth, he tells Fox News that he's always opposed abortion. But, in prior years and prior debates for other public offices that he sought, he was fairly clear on his support for "safe abortion and the right of the Woman to make her own choice." He said he would honor his "word" in allowing a Woman's Right to Chose. He's flipped on Pro-Life -vs- Pro-Choice so many times over his political career, that I honestly don't know where he stands on the issue.

He said that our automotive industry should be allowed to go bankrupt. He said the bailouts were a mistake. Yet, in 2008, he was caught saying that the government has a role in preventing further economic decay by utilizing stimulus and that he thought what President Obama did with respect to TARP II and stimulus, was "the right thing to do." Again, I get dizzy just listening to the man talk because he spins and reverses his own policy statements more than a merry-go-round at the Circus.

Romney, said that he wants to get government out of education altogether and then he turns around and says that he supports No Child Left Behind. Again, and again, this man says what he thinks is necessary to get him elected. Romney, says that he's against Cap & Trade. He then turns around later and concludes that we should implement Cap & Trade. But, wait! Romney, flipped that conclusion four (4) times and to this very day, I don't really know whether Romney, believes in Cap & Trade or not.

I can't see how anyone can pin down Romney, long enough on a single issue to understand where he stands on just about anything. So, how can anyone have any opinion about whether or not they would actually vote for him, when you can't say for certain where he stands on the issues? He might be FOR something today at 5:00pm, and then AGAINST that very same thing by 12:00pm two days, or a week from now.

That is NOT leadership on the issues. That is crystal clear Presidential Incompetency. He simply lacks the ability to make a decision and then stick to it. The only thing he has stuck to, has been his willingness to not stick to anything longer than it takes to get him elected.

Will The Real Romney Please Stand Up?


He has been pretty clear about cutting his taxes, I don't tihnk he will change his mind on that. Paying for the cuts is another matter, one that according to him will be worked out secretly behind closed doors with Congress after he "wins". Is that even legal?
 
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