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Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggling?

Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Probably because they think the other person is even worse.

Did you really need that explained?

Nothing is worse than disingenuous arguments.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Probably because they think the other person is even worse.

Did you really need that explained?

Nothing is worse than disingenuous arguments.

Well they may 'think' he is worse but shouldn't they at least look at the evidence before casting their ballots?
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

I have no idea what you mean

You know, to vote for....How's it feel that your ideology seems to be lining up with Rosanne Barr....BWHAAAAAA!
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggling?

I think most Americans support Obama not because their shoes are hurting them but rather because they feel if the GOP was still at the helm, they would have no feet.


Well then, congrats, the propaganda campaign is working...Hope it's worth it in the end because we will sure all know who to blame....

PS.... most folks I know are much better off now than they were 4 years ago. So I guess it's a mute point.

So everyone in the country is like your liberal, Obama supporter friends? Sorry dude, that is laughable.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggl

Well they may 'think' he is worse but shouldn't they at least look at the evidence before casting their ballots?

Do you honestly think that people haven't? I mean are you naive enough to think that given the same set of information as you rational people would only come to the same choice as you?

And for the record looking at business people in politics I would say a background in one doesn't mean they are necessarily good at the other for every Mark Warner there is a George Bush.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggl

Do you honestly think that people haven't? I mean are you naive enough to think that given the same set of information as you rational people would only come to the same choice as you?

And for the record looking at business people in politics I would say a background in one doesn't mean they are necessarily good at the other for every Mark Warner there is a George Bush.

I think a LOT of people haven't.

Most Americans know nothing more about either Romney or Obama other than the campaign ads they've bothered to pay attention to and to the mostly slanted, abbreviated news stories they happened to see on the news while they were waiting for the hollywood entertainment news and the sports scores.

I think a LOT haven't bothered to go to Romney's web page to see where he really stands on any issue. And that isn't even talking about the liberals who don't care a bit about what Obama's done...or failed to do. Those people don't care about Romney's stand on anything because they'll vote for Obama anyway.

And then, you have those on forums like this one. Most of the conservatives know exactly what each candidate is about. So do a few of the liberals. But all of them are set in their ways and any information presented to them doesn't matter. On these forums, it's all about the game.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggling?

Maybe because people think it isn't at the responsibility of the president. Just a thought.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Well they may 'think' he is worse but shouldn't they at least look at the evidence before casting their ballots?

Yes, they should. I'm just telling you that your "OMG WHY WOULD THEY VOTE FOR THE LESSER CANDIDATE!?'" is a straw man. They're voting for who they believe to be the greater candidate. Playing word games to make their position seem illogical is childish. Just make the case for your guy, whoever he may be, and leave it at that.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Well you know you are screwed with BHO whereas Romney has a record of success in turning things around.

Why would rational people prefer to continue with a known loser?

Why would rational people choose a lesser of two evils knowing that both are evil?

Romney and Obama share political views and only a fool wouldn't be able to see that. Romney would continue to spend money...he would increase our military/industrial complex...he even said he would keep parts of Obamacare.

Stop thinking that just replacing Obama will bring us to prosperity because it won't! Both will spend us into financial collapse and people like you think things will change?

Please quit fooling yourself.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Yes, they should. I'm just telling you that your "OMG WHY WOULD THEY VOTE FOR THE LESSER CANDIDATE!?'" is a straw man. They're voting for who they believe to be the greater candidate. Playing word games to make their position seem illogical is childish. Just make the case for your guy, whoever he may be, and leave it at that.

Fair enough.

What does Romney have to recommend him and what does Obama have that would encourage people to vote for him?
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Fair enough.

What does Romney have to recommend him and what does Obama have that would encourage people to vote for him?

Obama has a silver tongue that you can't believe but makes you want to vote for him anyway.

Romney has an "R" after his name.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Obama has a silver tongue that you can't believe but makes you want to vote for him anyway.

Romney has an "R" after his name.

Right. R for racist I guess. That propaganda seems to go down well with the D crowd.

BHO's tongue has gone from silver to forked, much like Elizabeth Warrens,
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Right. R for racist I guess. That propaganda seems to go down well with the D crowd.

BHO's tongue has gone from silver to forked, much like Elizabeth Warrens,

You have an offensive take on my comments.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Fair enough.

What does Romney have to recommend him and what does Obama have that would encourage people to vote for him?

You don't know? You're not following the race?
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

What is Romney offering other than he's not Obama?

That alone is sufficient when a POTUS has failed as this one has. When you have two supplied parts and one fails you daily, a whole lot of folks would think to switch it out and try the other part.
 
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Do you know why?

I think the explanation might lie in the reason they think they're worse off. If they even though Obama has been President for 4 years, its possible they think its not his fault. Maybe its because they think they're worse off because of corporate policies practiced by organizations that Bain Capital exemplifies, at least in imagery.

I also think for a lot of people, its not exclusively about the economy. Making women out to be sluts and porno queens because they want BC coverage isn't going to get a lot of female votes. I know it wasn't Romney who promoted this concept but it was Romney's "team" that did and denounced rigorously by Obama. Making Hispanics out to be presumed criminals in Arizona who should be racially profiled based on their ethnic features with only the authority to arrest and then release and no authority to try, deport or grant residency under federal immigration law, thus legal harassment under state law with other states wanting to copy it isn't going to get you many Latino votes. It might be a false perception or have anything to do with Mitt Romney himself but perception is reality and the AZ immigration law is seen as "this is how republicans treat Hispanics". I could go on but there are quite a few groups the GOP and those perceived as speaking for the GOP who have been alienated over the past 4 years on things having nothing to do with the economy.
 
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Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney strugg

If Romney was socially centrist supported at least civil unions, distanced himself from republican immigration policy, took the more centrist I support whatever the status quo line on abortion, was actively pro guns, and pro capital punishment, and did his best not to mention faith too often, I think he would be rather far ahead in the polls.

I mean, it might be totally unscientific empirical observation but the few people I know would would swing vote might have voted for governer Romney, but they are very unlikely to vote for Candidate Romney, not after the crap he said in the primaries.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

That alone is sufficient when a POTUS has failed as this one has. When you have two supplied parts and one fails you daily, a whole lot of folks would think to switch it out and try the other part.

So if I come across a fire and the only liquid I have is gasoline I should just pour it on the fire. I perfect example of the two party logic that dominates this country.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

You know, to vote for....How's it feel that your ideology seems to be lining up with Rosanne Barr....BWHAAAAAA!
I don't look to others to confirm my beliefs. It's not always fun being in the minority because you have to listen to so many absurd comments. The fact that you wouldn't agree with something because some celebrity you've never met has the same opinion says more about you than me. Hitler liked dogs does that mean I have to get rid of my dog? My god man turn off the talk radio and think for yourself the country will be much better off.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

I don't look to others to confirm my beliefs.

Like science, it's best to look for others to disconfirm beliefs, to accept difficulties and change.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Like science, it's best to look for others to disconfirm beliefs, to accept difficulties and change.

Reading many different points of views is absolutely necessary for critical thought. However believing or not believing in something because x or y believes or doesn't believe it isn't the same thing.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

Reading many different points of views is absolutely necessary for critical thought.

And for solving social, environmental, even meta-physical/spiritual problems and opportunities (democracy) and robust, adaptable and resilient ecology (ecocentrism).
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

And for solving social, environmental, even meta-physical/spiritual problems and opportunities (democracy) and robust, adaptable and resilient ecology (ecocentrism).
I never thought I would say this to you but I agree.
 
Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

I never thought I would say this to you but I agree.

Let's do one more. See if you like this: Democracy is good for the environment because those directly affected by social and ecologic degradation have a voice.
 
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