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Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

Mycroft said:
It's so much easier for Obama to blame and scapegoat a filmmaker when his film wasn't the cause of the violence. When the resulting deaths can be laid directly at the feet of Obama and his State Department failures.
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Al Qaeda was and is out for revenge.. and they are more of a problem for Muslims than for us.. The timing of the release of the movie and it distribution via satellite throughout the the Arab world just added fuel to the fire.

Media for Christ and Jihad Watch sold out Americans very deliberately... and blamed Israel. Does that sound like "freedom of speech" or sedition to you?
 
sharon said:
Al Qaeda was and is out for revenge.. and they are more of a problem for Muslims than for us.. The timing of the release of the movie and it distribution via satellite throughout the the Arab world just added fuel to the fire.

Media for Christ and Jihad Watch sold out Americans very deliberately... and blamed Israel. Does that sound like "freedom of speech" or sedition to you?
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The video has released for months...not just in the last couple of days.

The video is not the cause. It was the tool used by Al Qaeda.
 
Mycroft said:
The video has released for months...not just in the last couple of days.

The video is not the cause. It was the tool used by Al Qaeda.
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The 2 hour feature film was released for months.. It bombed.. so it was cut and dubbed in Arabic.. Sometime in late June Media for Christ distributed it via satellite.

Have you seen the video? Muhammed portrayed as a pervert... with soft core porn of him being told to put his head between a woman's thighs????

This passes for "Christian outreach"?

We've been manipulated and so have the Arabs..
 
sharon said:
The 2 hour feature film was released for months.. It bombed.. so it was cut and dubbed in Arabic.. Sometime in late June Media for Christ distributed it via satellite.

Have you seen the video? Muhammed portrayed as a pervert... with soft core porn of him being told to put his head between a woman's thighs????

This passes for "Christian outreach"?

We've been manipulated and so have the Arabs..
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LOL!!!

No, the only ones manipulated were Obama and the inept State Department. They manipulated themselves into a corner and now they are trying to manipulate themselves out.

It's not going to work. Especially since the news came out that the State Department is trying to cover up what they knew before the attack.
 
sharon said:
Media for Christ and Jihad Watch sold out Americans very deliberately... and blamed Israel. Does that sound like "freedom of speech" or sedition to you?
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Less seditious, certainly, then your promotion of Wahhabism and support for killing people if they leave Islam.
 
Gardener said:
Less seditious, certainly, then your promotion of Wahhabism and support for killing people if they leave Islam.
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One more time..

Apostate in Islam means traitor.. If you commit a capital crime like murder, rape, paedophilia, or grand larceny with violence.. you have betrayed the community and your faith. Therefore you are "apostate" and guilty of treason.
 
sharon said:
One more time..

Apostate in Islam means traitor.. If you commit a capital crime like murder, rape, paedophilia, or grand larceny with violence.. you have betrayed the community and your faith. Therefore you are "apostate" and guilty of treason.
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You and your Wahhabist circular reasoning. Murder is Apostasy. Leaving the faith is Apostasy. The punishment for murder is death, therefore the punishment for leaving the faith is death.

When are you going to drop this ruse that you are a Christian?

Oh, and paedophilia -- you must be kidding :roll: Try talking to Nujood Ali about that one, o.k.?
 
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sharon said:
One more time..

Apostate in Islam means traitor.. If you commit a capital crime like murder, rape, paedophilia, or grand larceny with violence.. you have betrayed the community and your faith. Therefore you are "apostate" and guilty of treason.
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Yes, anyone who leaves Islam is either murdered or lives under 24 hour guard.

That's quite a religion you belong too. Even the KKK, the Fascists or the Nazis weren't that strict.
 
Fiddytree said:
I felt the same with I did about Julian Assange or Al Capone. No matter what, if you violate the law, you violate the law. No sympathies if your cause makes you a target.
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I agree. But as I said, if it's used in an attempt to assuage, that's another matter.
 
Grant said:
Yes, anyone who leaves Islam is either murdered or lives under 24 hour guard.

That's quite a religion you belong too. Even the KKK, the Fascists or the Nazis weren't that strict.
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and this one is trying to pose as a moderate.......

sheesh!
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!! I like the way you move the goalposts. Previously you said he doesn't have the rights of free people...now you say he does have some rights, but not all of them.
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Do you understand english? I have to ask that question because only a complete idiot would think that from my statements. I said it properly and if you have trouble understanding what I said you really need to spend some time brushing up on the language. This is absolutely absurd at this point.


Mycroft said:
I guess free speech is one he doesn't have anymore.
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He was not arrested for what he said. he was arrested for assuming a false identity and using the internet without permission which were terms of his probation. And yes the government can take those rights away from a convicted criminal and often does. So it is just another reason not to go fraudulently opening up bank accounts like he did.
Mycroft said:
And in regard to "for his own good". What a crock. He would be doing better if he was left alone and not made into a media freak and a government scapegoat.
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He would have been left alone if it wasn't for him trolling the entire muslim religion. you make it sound like they just randomly decided to go after him. That just simply is not true. he did his best to piss them off, and he got what he wanted. He certainly was not minding his own business and being private.

Good try, but you keep on failing.
 
MMC said:
Looks like they will find something to arrest him for. Thoughts? Think this will now affect Freedom of Speech Laws?
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This has nothing to do with freedom of speech and it doesn't matter if he had made a sequel to The Muppets; the guy violated the terms of his probation by posting it on the internet and likely committed bank fraud (again) by forging checks under a false name. That is why he was taken in for questioning not because of the content of the "movie" he produced. The only role it played in the arrest is that it brought attention to the fact that he had violated the terms of his probation and committed new crimes. If he hadn't made such an international spectacle of himself then those violations likely would have gone unnoticed. This guy belongs on World's Dumbest Criminals not on a pedestal for free speech activists.
 
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tererun said:
Do you understand english? I have to ask that question because only a complete idiot would think that from my statements. I said it properly and if you have trouble understanding what I said you really need to spend some time brushing up on the language. This is absolutely absurd at this point.




He was not arrested for what he said. he was arrested for assuming a false identity and using the internet without permission which were terms of his probation. And yes the government can take those rights away from a convicted criminal and often does. So it is just another reason not to go fraudulently opening up bank accounts like he did.


He would have been left alone if it wasn't for him trolling the entire muslim religion. you make it sound like they just randomly decided to go after him. That just simply is not true. he did his best to piss them off, and he got what he wanted. He certainly was not minding his own business and being private.

Good try, but you keep on failing.
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Are you trying to be the pot to my kettle on purpose?

I'm only responding to exactly what you said...yet you wonder if I can understand what I read. Then you go and prove that you don't understand what you read when you talk about the guy being arrested. He wasn't arrested. He was taken in for questioning.

And then...you show that you don't understand what I'm saying when you start blathering about why muslims don't like him. I never said anything about that. Sure, the muslims don't like him and he's in hiding because of that. Or, at least, he was until he got exposed by the media and the government. Then you say the government is taking him in for his own good...when they are the ones who helped expose him.

The illogic, moving goalposts and downright idiocy of your posts are making it very hard to hold a conversation with you. Until you get your act together, I won't be responding to you in this thread.
 
Mycroft said:
Are you trying to be the pot to my kettle on purpose?

I'm only responding to exactly what you said...
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No you are deliberately being Obtuse and trying to turn this into a grammar war because you have no point. I have been in a few arguments before, so i know the tactic.

Mycroft said:
yet you wonder if I can understand what I read. Then you go and prove that you don't understand what you read when you talk about the guy being arrested. He wasn't arrested. He was taken in for questioning.
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no, he was taken in for violating probation, and that would put him in police custody which would be an arrest. But if you want to go on that route that he was not arrested nd is just being questioned then you have no gripe because questioning is not charging him with anything. beware, you might fall off the matt with all those verbal gymnastics.
Mycroft said:
And then...you show that you don't understand what I'm saying when you start blathering about why muslims don't like him. I never said anything about that. Sure, the muslims don't like him and he's in hiding because of that. Or, at least, he was until he got exposed by the media and the government. Then you say the government is taking him in for his own good...when they are the ones who helped expose him.
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Again, the government did not expose him. he exposed himself when he came out and went public with the movie. Had he stayed in private nothing would have happened to him.
Mycroft said:
The illogic, moving goalposts and downright idiocy of your posts are making it very hard to hold a conversation with you. Until you get your act together, I won't be responding to you in this thread.
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That is fine, you were not doing very well at it to begin with. It would save you from trying to have to do these insane verbal gymnastics to attempt to get some technical point which doesn't prove your argument.
 
tererun said:
No you are deliberately being Obtuse and trying to turn this into a grammar war because you have no point. I have been in a few arguments before, so i know the tactic.



no, he was taken in for violating probation, and that would put him in police custody which would be an arrest. But if you want to go on that route that he was not arrested nd is just being questioned then you have no gripe because questioning is not charging him with anything. beware, you might fall off the matt with all those verbal gymnastics.


Again, the government did not expose him. he exposed himself when he came out and went public with the movie. Had he stayed in private nothing would have happened to him.


That is fine, you were not doing very well at it to begin with. It would save you from trying to have to do these insane verbal gymnastics to attempt to get some technical point which doesn't prove your argument.
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Could you please provide some links to support your claims?
 
If you're going to do something perfectly legal in this country and draw so much attention to yourself don't you think you should probably wait until you're off parole. **** yes Obama wants the middle east to see this guy get arrested for something but no one wants to take any freedoms from you. The ****s just political can't people understand most politics are bull**** pictures and 30sec sound bites that really mean nothing.
 
20 minutes of Bill Mahers 'Religulous' directly scorns and ridicules the Muslims. I'm sure Obama will be returning his campaign cash and ordering him detained soon. Any day now. Any day...waiting...waiting...

So...I wonder if this new found 'respect' for Muslims will extend to all religions? Cant say anything that might hurt their feelings. Oh! Conundrum...homosexuals are pretty high on the Muslim infidel hit list. Thats going to be a problem too...
 
Napoleon said:
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech and it doesn't matter if he had made a sequel to The Muppets; the guy violated the terms of his probation by posting it on the internet and likely committed bank fraud (again) by forging checks under a false name. That is why he was taken in for questioning not because of the content of the "movie" he produced. The only role it played in the arrest is that it brought attention to the fact that he had violated the terms of his probation and committed new crimes. If he hadn't made such an international spectacle of himself then those violations likely would have gone unnoticed. This guy belongs on World's Dumbest Criminals not on a pedestal for free speech activists.
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I asked if people thought it would affect Freedom of Speech laws. I didnt say there was. Moreover.....now how much will the White House Administration and the DOJ keep transparent as to the whole incident.?????

Moreover after this weekend The Obama Administration has doubled down on that this Video is the cause of all these Muslims protests in 23 Countries and that it is just due to this spontanaeity.

Again if you read thru the whole thread I said they would hook this guy up for whetever they could now. As like you stated he was on Probation......which then they will find something to hit him up With.
 
JoshuaW said:
If you're going to do something perfectly legal in this country and draw so much attention to yourself don't you think you should probably wait until you're off parole. **** yes Obama wants the middle east to see this guy get arrested for something but no one wants to take any freedoms from you. The ****s just political can't people understand most politics are bull**** pictures and 30sec sound bites that really mean nothing.
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So...

Do you think Obama is doing the right thing by making this guy the scapegoat?
 
Mycroft said:
So...

Do you think Obama is doing the right thing by making this guy the scapegoat?
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Probably not the right thing if you look at it in the broader context of American freedoms, but for me it's okay to play politics with him now for the sake of Americans in the region with half of the people in that region believe the American government made the film.
 
The Obama administration, DOJ and anyone else involved in this arrest should be ashamed of themselves. **** these idiots acting out. We should not be giving in to the demands of terrorists nor should we try to appease them because they don't like our laws here. The US needs to protect their interests overseas and put down anyone who acts against them or their people. I hope this movie inspires more people to make some new movies.
 
JoshuaW said:
Probably not the right thing if you look at it in the broader context of American freedoms, but for me it's okay to play politics with him now for the sake of Americans in the region with half of the people in that region believe the American government made the film.
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Well...I have to disagree.

I don't think it's EVER okay to use one of our own citizens as a scapegoat.
 
Mycroft said:
So...

Do you think Obama is doing the right thing by making this guy the scapegoat?
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So do you think it is ok for someone on parole to violate their conditions of parole and not be punished?
 
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