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Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

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So much for Obama's foreign policy of supporting the Arab Spring.

New violence sweeps countries across Islamic world | Nation / World News - The News Tribune

An unprecedented wave of anti-American violence swept across Africa, Asia and the Middle East on Friday, with protesters angered by an amateurish video that mocks the founder of Islam storming and scorching U.S. embassies in Tunisia and Sudan, ransacking a German embassy in Sudan, and setting a fast food restaurant ablaze in Lebanon.In all, there were protests in at least 23 nations, stretching from Morocco to Indonesia and from London to Mogadishu, Somalia. At least seven people died from the violence.

The explosion of demonstrations left the Obama administration scrambling both to halt the attacks and to defend its actions in the midst of a hard-fought election campaign where questions of foreign policy had largely taken a backseat. But there seemed to be no way to calm anger over a video clip whose production and dissemination the United States had nothing to do with and whose origins are still largely uncertain.

That's a lot of people involved in violence in the name of a peaceful religion. But at least they said their prayers first.

In Sudan, an estimated 5,000 protesters descended on the German Embassy in central Khartoum after Friday prayers, breaking in and setting part of the building on fire.

So will this world wide spreading violence help Obama rethink his foreign policy strategy? Or is it too late?
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060911825 said:
So much for Obama's foreign policy of supporting the Arab Spring.

New violence sweeps countries across Islamic world | Nation / World News - The News Tribune



That's a lot of people involved in violence in the name of a peaceful religion. But at least they said their prayers first.



So will this world wide spreading violence help Obama rethink his foreign policy strategy? Or is it too late?


This is just a bunch of terrorists and other Islamofascists just using what they can as an excuse to protest and cause violence. This has nothing to do with Obama and who ever made the video is not at fault.
 
This is just a bunch of terrorists and other Islamofascists just using what they can as an excuse to protest and cause violence. This has nothing to do with Obama and who ever made the video is not at fault.

A bunch is quite an understatement, don't you think?

So if the US had not interfered in Libya and Egypt do you think this would have happened?
 
...and another member joins The Logical Party. Welcome aboard.


This is just a bunch of terrorists and other Islamofascists just using what they can as an excuse to protest and cause violence. This has nothing to do with Obama and who ever made the video is not at fault.
 
Oh look you have pictures?

I have pictures too.

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Maybe if both sides stop fostering this notion that the west and Islam are at war with each other (and both sides do it a lot), then this kind of stuff wouldn't happen.
 
Maybe if both sides stop fostering this notion that the west and Islam are at war with each other (and both sides do it a lot), then this kind of stuff wouldn't happen.

its hard to blame the west for a bunch of idiots who go bonkers over a silly movie. Last I checked Christians didn't go on rampages when someone put a crucifix in a bottle of piss or when rock singers like Ian Anderson bashed Christian sects
 
This is just a bunch of terrorists and other Islamofascists just using what they can as an excuse to protest and cause violence. This has nothing to do with Obama and who ever made the video is not at fault.

I agree, nothing but terrorists. But to say this has nothing to do with Obama? How the hell does that track? How he responds has everything to do with every one of these situations.
 
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A bunch is quite an understatement, don't you think?

So if the US had not interfered in Libya and Egypt do you think this would have happened?

Absolutely not. Iron fisted military dictators did not tolerate unapproved protests. They have been replaced with iron fisted theocrats of equal force - which they will increasingly direct at the USA as long as it clear they can get away with it.
 
I agree, nothing but terrorists. But to say this has nothing to do with Obama? How the hell does that track? How he responds has everything to do with every one of these situations.

Yes, it absolutely does. They smell weakness, because our response reeks of it.
 
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Yes, it absolutely does. They smell weakness, because our response reeks of it.


Worse, they are being rewarded by getting what they want out of it. The want information, free speech and thinking about who and what they are - and what religion they sell - totally silenced. They exist in power because of ignorance of the people.

That want everyone afraid to criticize the "religion" they control people with - and by killing Americans and attacking our Embassies they got it - even got President Obama and Secretary of State Hilliary Clinton apologizing and condemning a movie because it ridiculed the religion those religious "leaders" control people with.

They are succeeding. Virtually no one on this forum would hesitate to make fun of religion or severely criticize it - from the left or right - in general EXCEPT the religion of Islam and even the sick, twisted version. So, like Obama and Clinton, it is duty to not say anything unkind about the slavery/murder/grotesque abuse of women and denial of all human rights they preach and demand all submit to.
 
We shouldn't have embassies in many of these countries anymore. They've proven they aren't capable of maintaining basic law and order. Evacuate all US personnel ASAP. Shoot anyone who tries to stop us from leaving.
 
Worse, they are being rewarded by getting what they want out of it. The want information, free speech and thinking about who and what they are - and what religion they sell - totally silenced. They exist in power because of ignorance of the people.

That want everyone afraid to criticize the "religion" they control people with - and by killing Americans and attacking our Embassies they got it - even got President Obama and Secretary of State Hilliary Clinton apologizing and condemning a movie because it ridiculed the religion those religious "leaders" control people with.

And they're going to get MORE apology and MORE retreat.
 
Yes, it absolutely does. They smell weakness, because our response reeks of it.

What do you suggest Obama do? dictators or not these protests would have still happened anyway and there's absolutely nothing the United States could possibly do to stop them.
 
What do you suggest Obama do? dictators or not these protests would have still happened anyway and there's absolutely nothing the United States could possibly do to stop them.

Not if there had been a forceful and swift response to the Libyan and Egyptian attacks, instead of thumb-sucking and apology.

When you kill our people, you need to be killed back, and it needs to be made clear that whoever else decides to try will meet with the same fate. We have quite a few people in uniform whose job it is to do that.
 
Fighters involved in the assault, which was spearheaded by an Islamist brigade formed during last year’s uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi,

So violence and American deaths have nothing to do with the Arab Spring, Obama's foreign policy?

Who is responsible for providing adequate security to Embassy personnel?

You can't keep passing the buck.

One would think American foreign policy is accountable.

The wave of unrest set off by the video, posted online in the United States two months ago and dubbed into Arabic for the first time eight days ago, has further underscored the instability of the countries that cast off their longtime dictators in the Arab Spring revolts. It also cast doubt on the adequacy of security preparations at American diplomatic outposts in the volatile region.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/world/middleeast/us-envoy-to-libya-is-reported-killed.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
 
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Not if there had been a forceful and swift response to the Libyan and Egyptian attacks, instead of thumb-sucking and apology.

When you kill our people, you need to be killed back, and it needs to be made clear that whoever else decides to try will meet with the same fate. We have quite a few people in uniform whose job it is to do that.

If the United States actually strikes those protesters which I understand is what you're suggesting, every single American in the middle east would have legitimate fear for his or her life and the US would have no possible way to protect most of them in time. Not to mention It would be disastrous for American interests in the region and therefor it is simply never going to happen, at least not when there's a sane leader in charge.
 
If the United States actually strikes those protesters which I understand is what you're suggesting, every single American in the middle east would have legitimate fear for his or her life and the US would have no possible way to protect most of them in time. Not to mention It would be disastrous for American interests in the region and therefor it is simply never going to happen, at least not when there's a sane leader in charge.


So you think its not disastrous for American interests in the region now?
 
What do you suggest Obama do? dictators or not these protests would have still happened anyway and there's absolutely nothing the United States could possibly do to stop them.


They can stop the billion of dollars pouring in in those countries to begin with.
 
If the United States actually strikes those protesters which I understand is what you're suggesting, every single American in the middle east would have legitimate fear for his or her life

Oh, well, if that's going to be the overriding concern in making these decisions, then we might as well just withdraw from the world and go home, because we're way too timid to be in it.

They've already killed our people. They're already looking to kill more. And it is ALREADY disastrous for American interests in the region.

A "sane" leader would recognize this.
 
And they're going to get MORE apology and MORE retreat.

Clinton demands Arab Spring nations protect embassies, halt violence - CNN.com

(CNN) -- As anti-American furor raged in the home of the Arab Spring, the top U.S. diplomat on Friday sternly warned countries where the unrest has been most pronounced: Stop the violence and seek justice against those attacking diplomatic missions, or else the United States will.

Obama vows to bring to justice ambassador's killers | Reuters

Reuters) - President Barack Obama vowed on Wednesday to "bring to justice" the Islamist gunmen responsible for a ferocious assault that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans - an attack that may have been organized in advance.

U.S. Marines deployed amid Muhammad film protests - World - CBC News

An elite team of Marines have arrived in Yemen's capital as violent protests rage at the U.S. Embassy over the depiction of the Prophet Muhammad in an American-made film.

Marine unit en route to Sudan to secure US Embassy | Fox News

A U.S. official says an elite Marine rapid response team is headed to Sudan in the wake of violence and protests against the embassy in Khartoum.

The deployment comes as Sudanese police opened fire on protesters trying to climb the walls of the U.S. Embassy.


Your version of events don't add up with the reality.
 
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