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Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

Unfortunately, this war is not a traditional war. The enemy does not put on uniforms and honorably face us on the field of battle. This is a "guerrilla" type war. It is a war without national boundaries or front lines or lines of conflict. But, there is an enemy who is taking deadly actions in an attempt to destroy us and our allies.

And what if we just left them to themselves? No more money or anything else from us.
 
I haven't heard of any Muslims who live in our country acting out violently.
 
The Western democracies will continue to bend, thinking maybe this time we can have peace and live in harmony, but there will always be another cartoon, beauty pageant or movie which will set things off again.

Many of them thought the same thing about Hitler until he bombed and invaded them. Didn't work then, isn't going to work now.
 
I haven't heard of any Muslims who live in our country acting out violently.

Really? Wow. Lets see, the last I remember, but there may be others, was some that were trying to explode a car bomb in Time Square. Then the ones that planed to bomb subways (the trains, not the restaurant). And those are only the ones we have heard about. No telling how many plots have been stopped in the last 10+ years.

Or do you mean in response to the movie? No, to my knowledge, so far there have been none, but then here there is no meaningful central location for them to gather at other than the White House or maybe the Capital Building, yeah, good luck getting anything near them.
 
Many of them thought the same thing about Hitler until he bombed and invaded them. Didn't work then, isn't going to work now.

I think you guys are getting a bit carried away. These guys do not have the kind of army that Hitler had. These guys are amateurs, not very well trained, probably kill more of their own than ours. They have had success unfortunately (such as 9-11). Their countries should do something about them, and we should protect ourselves. We should just have nothing to do with countries who do not crack down on these activities. No more embassies or dealing with them at all until they take steps to control their own. I see NO need to have a "war" over this.
 
I think you guys are getting a bit carried away. These guys do not have the kind of army that Hitler had. These guys are amateurs, not very well trained, probably kill more of their own than ours. They have had success unfortunately (such as 9-11). Their countries should do something about them, and we should protect ourselves. We should just have nothing to do with countries who do not crack down on these activities. No more embassies or dealing with them at all until they take steps to control their own. I see NO need to have a "war" over this.

These latest incidents are just that incidents, in a war that has been raging for around 60 years already. We are already at war with them, we are not "starting" one over this.
 
I haven't heard of any Muslims who live in our country acting out violently.

Of course not. That is because they do not yet have the numbers. It seems you are still caught up with the idea of traditional warfare from the last century. You should forget about that and think of the objective of war, and how to gain that objective against nations with far superior weaponry. You certainly don't do it on the battlefield by wearing uniforms or identifying yourself in any way.

Instead you create occasional terror to keep the host nation unsettled, make them feel guilty for their history while glorifying yours, introduce words such as "Islamophobia", and propagandize to the more vulnerable in the classrooms so they will be more sympathetic to the cause and turn on their own country as well.

All of this strategy is achieving enormous success. They certainly know us better than we do.

U.S. Universities Build Ties with Islamic Terrorist Groups

Radical Islam gains ground in campuses | World news | The Observer
 
These latest incidents are just that incidents, in a war that has been raging for around 60 years already. We are already at war with them, we are not "starting" one over this.

Yes, how long have we been at war now? A lot of good that's done, right?
 
I think you guys are getting a bit carried away. These guys do not have the kind of army that Hitler had. These guys are amateurs, not very well trained, probably kill more of their own than ours. They have had success unfortunately (such as 9-11). Their countries should do something about them, and we should protect ourselves. We should just have nothing to do with countries who do not crack down on these activities. No more embassies or dealing with them at all until they take steps to control their own. I see NO need to have a "war" over this.

You already have a war. You just don't get it yet.

Pay attention to what they are saying, not what Barrack Obama says.
 
Of course not. That is because they do not yet have the numbers. It seems you are still caught up with the idea of traditional warfare from the last century. You should forget about that and think of the objective of war, and how to gain that objective against nations with far superior weaponry. You certainly don't do it on the battlefield by wearing uniforms or identifying yourself in any way.

Instead you create occasional terror to keep the host nation unsettled, make them feel guilty for their history while glorifying yours, introduce words such as "Islamophobia", and propagandize to the more vulnerable in the classrooms so they will be more sympathetic to the cause and turn on their own country as well.

All of this strategy is achieving enormous success. They certainly know us better than we do.

U.S. Universities Build Ties with Islamic Terrorist Groups

Radical Islam gains ground in campuses | World news | The Observer

I certainly don't think that radical Islam is okay, but when it is happening in other countries, then it should be their problem and not ours. Why should our guys die when we could just leave there. I've heard we get most of our oil from S.A. anyway.
 
I certainly don't think that radical Islam is okay, but when it is happening in other countries, then it should be their problem and not ours. Why should our guys die when we could just leave there. I've heard we get most of our oil from S.A. anyway.

Huh??

They are at war with you.

What part of that do you not understand? You cannot escape.

Oil?? Do you really believe this is about oil
 
Huh??

They are at war with you.

What part of that do you not understand? You cannot escape.

Oil?? Do you really believe this is about oil

I think that is one reason why this region is so important to us. Yes. What do you mean "you cannot escape." I think you sound a just a bit paranoid. NOT all Muslims are terrorists. I used to live next door to a couple who were Muslims. They were very good people. Just like with ANY religion, you are going to get your nuts and extremists. I agree that the ones who associate themselves with Islam seem to have an extra propensity to violence, but I believe that to be a more complicated problem than strictly due to just religious beliefs.
 
I think that is one reason why this region is so important to us. Yes. What do you mean "you cannot escape." I think you sound a just a bit paranoid. NOT all Muslims are terrorists. I used to live next door to a couple who were Muslims. They were very good people. Just like with ANY religion, you are going to get your nuts and extremists. I agree that the ones who associate themselves with Islam seem to have an extra propensity to violence, but I believe that to be a more complicated problem than strictly due to just religious beliefs.
Okay, whatever.
 
That sounds, um, status quo to me. How does it make it worse?

So what if we hate Muslims? Shouldn't we hate the people who attack us? Or do you prefer Kum-ba-yah?



Your not being attacked by Muslims your being attacked by radicals. You have to work with these countries to help get rid of extremism the government of Libya is trying to remove Al-Qaeda, but is still trying to build up security forces. In Libya it will work better if you just worked with the govment as most of the country are Liberal Muslims. In other news Libya just arrested 50 people for connection to the embassy attacks.
 
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Your not being attacked by Muslims your being attacked by radicals. You have to work with these countries to help get rid of extremism the government of Libya is trying to remove Al-Qaeda, but is still trying to build up security forces. In Libya it will work better if you just worked with the govment as most of the country are Liberal Muslims.

What's your definition of a "Liberal Muslim"?
 
Your not being attacked by Muslims your being attacked by radicals. You have to work with these countries to help get rid of extremism the government of Libya is trying to remove Al-Qaeda, but is still trying to build up security forces. In Libya it will work better if you just worked with the govment as most of the country are Liberal Muslims. In other news Libya just arrested 50 people for connection to the embassy attacks.

Yeah, it's really those radical Lutherans all over the world who are terrorizing people, while honor killings, forced marriages, female genital mutilation, persecution of Homosexuals and Jews and lack of separation between religion and government are actually the expression of liberalism.

You really have quite the insight there, son.
 
One that follows a more liberal interpretation of the Qur'an, hadith, and other holy writings.

A more liberal interpretation of the Koran. How does one go about that?

Do you feel that is what the Imams are encouraging?
 
Some have mention that we are not at War with Muslims. That we are not at War with Islam. This is true. Yet I would not deny that they are at War with us. Just as many always talk about the Radicals. Extremists and Terrorists. That this small group doesnt make up the vast majority of Muslims. This rhetoric will always be out there to redirect as no Religion in a Modern Day World will step up onto the Stage and Out-Right Call for the Destruction of Others and their Religion. Thus declaring a war on any and all but their own.

This does not mean that there isn't a War being waged against us. Our Way of life. Our Beliefs and values. Our Prinicples and what we stand for. It is being assulated in all aspects of our lives. Even with those Muslims that do not take part in what others call the extreme. Instead they assail our Constitution. They attempt to set up communities wherein the Law and the Rights of others is controlled thru their Community. Their Own people and based on their Religion. There is no discovering what takes place within these communities until after the fact. This does not mean that they will not use what is available to them. Such as our own laws to be used for their gain and to prevent others from coming at them. Conducting buisness, gaining money as money brings that lil bit of power to have or do as one pleases.

We hear it all the time. We are Nation of Laws. Which gaming the system and using it.....is part of that strategy. Which any would use. As we look around and see these Countries of Muslims being led by leaders. It is not those leaders that jump out declaring war on others. It is not those leaders of those Nations inciting their people to riot. Regardless of their own beliefs. As they are in the Power game. Which that game.....Money is it's Name. Wielding influence, while climbing the rungs of Power. Yet we see it is their Religious Leaders.....and as shown they can even cause incitment over something as questionable as some guy in a foreign land making a shiznit movie to bash their Prophet Muhammed. Yet these so called Clerics are never out Preaching their Holy Word and what their Good Book they say allegedly stands for. They do not as a leadership step up calm the unrest by Speaking out vocally.

Where are they on thier Broadcasting networks Preaching to stop this violence? Where are their Jesse Jackson's and Al Sharptones looking for that All-Seeing Eye any chance they can get? Yet they understand that using the media they can cause unrest. Bring that affront to the West. To those whom their beliefs and values they say cannot be accepted. There is no teaching of tolerance other than reading the Written Word. Where are the Countries leaders Speaking out.....oh and with libya. It's the Wild Wild West. There is no government. Which everyone says. Those trying to set one up havent made any progress since they took power from Gadhafi. Again thats not to say they are not trying.

How many days does the World need to be shown that violence can and will be used against those that do not Follow the Way of the Muslim. How many days to hear that some film caused this? Do you really think this film caused 23 countries of Muslims to Become violent and go after US Embassies and those of the West. Take a look at those maps of all the Countries. 3 days I said. Try 5 and hald days......all day and all night.

The only people not concerned are those that do not have to be in those Countries. Already today the US has issued Warning to not even go to to Tunisia or the Sudan. Plus now they are getting out all essential people they can. Tunisia.....Where the Arab spring began. Where Elections were held and the New power structure has taken over. Yet where is their Leader and President or Prime Minister stepping up that Pressure and calling those Religious Clerics to his office to tell them they best get their azzes out there and get control of their flocks.....otherwise U know the Price that will have to be paid.

We have been shown even within our own Country. Yes there have been attacks or attempted attacks. Yes they were set up and many have been taken down before they can do anything. Then we have the sleepers like Hassan in Texas and US Military who then turns on his own people. We also have Americans that have ran to join the Muslim way. The Fed knows the so called radicals are already in this country and have been ofr years. Knwoing most of them. We also have been shown that it is not just us. They have attacked the Brits. Japan, the French, and now Germany.

How many days and other Countries Embassies destroyed damaged vandalized? How many others must die or run for their lives before the Rest of the World will take off those Cool azz Dark Sunglasses that don't let one see to clearly? How many innocent people must be harmed.....all due to those in Islam and that are Muslim. Who refuse to accept and teach tolerance?
 
Total war is unproductive to US interests. That's kinda the long and short of it.

It'e helpful for your interests (I guess, although you're not doing anything about it), but not for the US.
 
Total war is unproductive to US interests. That's kinda the long and short of it.

It'e helpful for your interests (I guess, although you're not doing anything about it), but not for the US.

Total War is not productive to anybody interests. There is also the fact of the Rest of the World taking a look at one that does so. Knowing they ALL might need to pull together just in case. So yes it damages even relationships with Aliies. As Mistrust would always be an heir apparant.

Now if you were talking to me about doing anything about shiznit. I put in my time and got a few holes to show for it. What about you? Not to mention I was Warring long before I joined Uncle Sam's Gang! Which doesn't count anything that i do for my fellow Bruthas and Cuzins that make it Home. As well as those that Payed the FUll Price!!!!!
 
I certainly don't think that radical Islam is okay, but when it is happening in other countries, then it should be their problem and not ours. Why should our guys die when we could just leave there. I've heard we get most of our oil from S.A. anyway.

Actually, Canada is our largest importer.

Question for you, do what we call natural and inalienable rights apply to all mankind or only those fortunate enough to be born in the US? If bad things are happening in a state other than the one you live in, do you believe that people from your state shouldn't help them? Where is that divide for you on who should be stood up for and protected and who shouldn't? In the past, we have helped many other countries fight wars and we have many mutual defense treaties in place today. Should we just break them because they would not be Americans? Or should we honor them as long as they are white, or Asian but not the Arabs or the Israeli's? What is your logic that places a higher value on protecting an American life and his/her rights vs extending those same rights to others? Many say we should not of gone into Iraq. Was it ok for that countries leader to rape, murder and torture because he wasn't doing it to Americans? Didn't we go to War with Germany for the same reasons during WWII, even though Germany had not directly attacked us?

"It is only the radicals that are attacking us". This is true, however, where are they getting their support from? Do they run a business and get their own monies? Or do they get support from Muslims who do not stand up and join their groups directly? How much money and support do they get from sources other than those connected to oil? How many millions have come from supposedly benign Muslims in the US? Or other Countries?

We get around 15% of our oil from the Gulf region. Would us totally cutting off oil from there really end their funding? Somehow I don't think that our 15% is 100% of their total sales. Would it hurt them? Undoubtedly. But stop all support for terrorist? No way. What would it do to those in the region who are actually trying to fight the violence?
 
Actually, Canada is our largest importer.

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info!


Question for you, do what we call natural and inalienable rights apply to all mankind or only those fortunate enough to be born in the US? If bad things are happening in a state other than the one you live in, do you believe that people from your state shouldn't help them? Where is that divide for you on who should be stood up for and protected and who shouldn't? In the past, we have helped many other countries fight wars and we have many mutual defense treaties in place today. Should we just break them because they would not be Americans? Or should we honor them as long as they are white, or Asian but not the Arabs or the Israeli's?

I don't think they want us there.

What is your logic that places a higher value on protecting an American life and his/her rights vs extending those same rights to others? Many say we should not of gone into Iraq. Was it ok for that countries leader to rape, murder and torture because he wasn't doing it to Americans? Didn't we go to War with Germany for the same reasons during WWII, even though Germany had not directly attacked us?

I thought we went to war because of the attack on Pearl Harbor?

"It is only the radicals that are attacking us". This is true, however, where are they getting their support from? Do they run a business and get their own monies? Or do they get support from Muslims who do not stand up and join their groups directly? How much money and support do they get from sources other than those connected to oil? How many millions have come from supposedly benign Muslims in the US? Or other Countries?

These are all good questions, but I don't know. Do you?

We get around 15% of our oil from the Gulf region. Would us totally cutting off oil from there really end their funding? Somehow I don't think that our 15% is 100% of their total sales. Would it hurt them? Undoubtedly. But stop all support for terrorist? No way. What would it do to those in the region who are actually trying to fight the violence?

Well, it's worth a shot, and it's a better alternative than war IMO.
 
Total War is not productive to anybody interests. There is also the fact of the Rest of the World taking a look at one that does so. Knowing they ALL might need to pull together just in case. So yes it damages even relationships with Aliies. As Mistrust would always be an heir apparant.

Now if you were talking to me about doing anything about shiznit. I put in my time and got a few holes to show for it. What about you? Not to mention I was Warring long before I joined Uncle Sam's Gang! Which doesn't count anything that i do for my fellow Bruthas and Cuzins that make it Home. As well as those that Payed the FUll Price!!!!!

Sometimes it is. 1st Group, 501st MI, 82nd, 500th MI, btw. But god knows what your rant was about.
 
Sometimes it is. 1st Group, 501st MI, 82nd, 500th MI, btw. But god knows what your rant was about.



My Rant was associated with the Topic.....Basic English with the definitions in their most simplistic form. Would be the place to start with my brutha.
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