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Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

Hairytic said:
Grant said:

I do know that Libya is cooperating with the US to bring the killers of Americans to justice. Eqypt has a new government as well, and Obama and Clinton issued a strong warning to them and other countries to get these situations under control or the US will.
I am concerned with the reputation of the US because I do not want wars to start in this country and I do not want the world to start to see the US as a threat to world peace. It will not end well for us if we start to wage war at every turn.
I have yet to see Obama issue one apology. If I am wrong, then please give me some link to a quote.
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Is there any nation he did not go to to say I'm sorry?

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OldWorldOrder said:
I guess you'd have to find out. Rarely is complex policy as simple as a sentence.
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No I won't, doesn't sound very interesting and I am no longer going to be deployed over there again, so I have no desire to understand more about them.

What is so complex. Enemy or Not Enemy, if Enemy, shoot, if he complains about being shot, take better aim this time and shoot again. Piss on him and then throw him in the crematorium. Problem solved.
 
Strucky said:
And they were not just bombed to death,it took 15 million Allied/Soviet troops to beat them down in addition to bombing them....Germany at the time had around 70 million people...
Imagine what it would take to beat down 1.5 billion....
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Different problem.

If it comes to that we can politely ask the Islamists in our countries to emigrate back to their countries of origin or choose another religion of peace. Those who want to leave the seventh century can join the civil society. Those who do not can enjoy life elsewhere.
 
DVSentinel said:
No I won't, doesn't sound very interesting
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What did you hear about it?

and I am no longer going to be deployed over there again, so I have no desire to understand more about them.
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Then why are you even talking about it?

What is so complex. Enemy or Not Enemy, if Enemy, shoot, if he complains about being shot, take better aim this time and shoot again. Piss on him and then throw him in the crematorium. Problem solved.
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No, that's pretty wrong.
 
poweRob said:
Stop viewing the world through your partisan glasses. Morsi was talking tough, Obama called him personally, Morsi's butthole tightened up like a drum and he IMMEDIATELY started singing a different tune. So therefore, whatever Obama said in total, got the job done with Morsi.

Those walking around with their eye's shut have no place in telling others to wake up.
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LOL. White House spin.

I wonder what really happened. I can imagine the sissy bagging Morsi not to screw up his election bid. I am sure he promised Morsi more flexibility after the election.
 
Misterveritis said:
Different problem.

If it comes to that we can politely ask the Islamists in our countries to emigrate back to their countries of origin or choose another religion of peace. Those who want to leave the seventh century can join the civil society. Those who do not can enjoy life elsewhere.
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Don't you think that would be going against the Constitution? You know, freedom of religion and all that. Sorry, but that is just completely unrealistic and really not a solution at all. Besides, I know you know that MOST Muslims are not violent extremists.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I for one, am glad we have a level headed guy in the White House, it's natural for people to scream for blood which is what's happening in this thread, hell we have some idiots screaming for Mecca to be destroyed, the middle east to be nuked...
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The only place that requires nuclear weapons is Iran. We might not have the right kinds of conventional weapons to go after deep underground bunkers. We can destroy Mecca with conventional weapons.

To not give in to those voices, is leadership.
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Sure it is.

The ones screaming for blood are never going to agree, but cooler heads must prevail in this crisis.

All this will be done in a couple of weeks most likely, and we can go back to arguing about a few percentage points increase for taxes on rich people and arguing about marxism again.
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And that is why in the end Islam will prevail over the west.
 
DVSentinel said:
Our efforts would be far more effective if we took off the kid gloves. Their own religion gives us weapons against them that we don't use because someone in Washington thinks we would offend someone.

These idiots believe that they will receive all those virgins when they get to heaven for being a martyr. But take a close look at their burial rights and beliefs about treating the dead. For suicide bombers, not much we can do unless we find large enough pieces, but the rest we kill. It is easy, castrate the body so all he can do is look at those virgins once he gets there (according to their beliefs) and then don't give them proper burial rights and cleansing prior to burial, better yet, coat them with pigs blood, making them unclean and unable to enter heaven then cremate them. Show full respect for civilians and those who haven't acted against us but do these things to the insurgents and their recruitment drops through the bottom.

Maybe even have our ammo coated with pig blood, making them unclean after they have been shot and when they die.
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Just spread the propaganda that after we kill them that we'll burn their bodies. For some reason, being burned is the most terrifying possibility imaginable to a Muslim. It's so terrible that won't even talk about it enough to explain why.
 
There are PLENTY of Muslims living in the United States right now who are just minding their business and living their lives, like you and I. Now some people want to tell them to either change their religion or get out of the country because some so-called members of their religion commit violence. If you think about, that is really going against freedom.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
What did you hear about it?
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Nothing, never heard of it until a few minutes ago when I saw your post. Title doesn't look like something I would find in the SF section or Computer/science sections of the book store, so I am not interested. After over 20 years taking trips to the region and also dealing with some of them here for training, I understand enough. Heck, Dune, by Frank Hurburt (the book, not the movies) can give you great insight into their culture.


OldWorldOrder said:
Then why are you even talking about it?
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Because coming to this board and talking/arguing politics is entertaining and gives me something to do when I am unable to do other things. Most of politics no longer affect me personally, although some will affect my family and people I care about.


OldWorldOrder said:
No, that's pretty wrong.
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Really? A dead enemy is still a threat? Peace is rather simple, you become the best at kicking everyone else's ass, do not hesitate to do it when justified and then no one in their right mind screws with you. If they are not in their right minds, apply ass whooping, move on.
 
Strucky said:
I have to disagree here,IED's in the right hands are very dangerous weapons that had the US military scrambling to find counter measures until proper vehicles like the Buffalo and Cougar were introduced.When troops were getting deployed to Iraq and still getting deployed to Afghanistan,IED training is the most important part of the pre-deployment training they give you because of all the problems we have had with them.
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It doesn't take away from the fact that IED's accounted for less than a thousand casualties in Iraq.

The introduction of new armored vehicles was in response to enemy small arms fire and the media blowing the IED situation completely out of proportion more than the actual IED threat.
 
DVSentinel said:
Nothing, never heard of it until a few minutes ago when I saw your post. Title doesn't look like something I would find in the SF section or Computer/science sections of the book store, so I am not interested. After over 20 years taking trips to the region and also dealing with some of them here for training, I understand enough. Heck, Dune, by Frank Hurburt (the book, not the movies) can give you great insight into their culture.
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Well, first, you spelled Herbert wrong. Second, apparently you didn't hear anything about the book, so why would you say it doesn't sound good? Third, I too have spent a lot of time in the Middle East, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the topic.

Because coming to this board and talking/arguing politics is entertaining and gives me something to do when I am unable to do other things. Most of politics no longer affect me personally, although some will affect my family and people I care about.
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So you have nothing invested in it. That's interesting.

Really? A dead enemy is still a threat? Peace is rather simple, you become the best at kicking everyone else's ass, do not hesitate to do it when justified and then no one in their right mind screws with you. If they are not in their right minds, apply ass whooping, move on.
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No, that doesn't really work. It's a cute idea, though.
 
apdst said:
It doesn't take away from the fact that IED's accounted for less than a thousand casualties in Iraq.

The introduction of new armored vehicles was in response to enemy small arms fire and the media blowing the IED situation completely out of proportion more than the actual IED threat.
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Lets face it, the greatest threat to US Forces over the last almost four years has been Obama and his stupidity. Bad policy and piss poor leadership kill far more troops than enemy actions.
 
haymarket said:
More than happy to help with your education

The lessons of Vietnam - latimes.com

Learn the Lessons of Vietnam. Out Now. - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com

Olbermann: Lessons from the Vietnam War - msnbc - Countdown with Keith Olbermann | NBC News

The Fog of War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

those should supply lots of material for you.
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The L.A. Times and MSNBC us your historical documentation? Really??

That's a bigger hoot than the time you used Yahoo Answers as primary source documentation. :lamo
 
apdst said:
The L.A. Times and MSNBC us your historical documentation? Really??

That's a bigger hoot than the time you used Yahoo Answers as primary source documentation. :lamo
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YOu seem to have problems with sources rather than what is said by the sources. Why is that?

You do realize that even if the most vile pedophile said two plus two is four that it would be a true fact beyond dispute don't you?

A mature person of intelligence would look beyond their own biased prejudices and look at the information provided and judge the validity of it by its content and not merely where it came from.

And it is obvious you learned NOTHING from the sources.
 
apdst said:
The L.A. Times and MSNBC us your historical documentation? Really??

That's a bigger hoot than the time you used Yahoo Answers as primary source documentation. :lamo
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Never did that. When you used the ravings of a convicted white racist murderer serving a life sentence in and Indiana prison as your only source for your - what shall we call it - your unique perspective on history - I gave you a raft of sources - and yahoo was but one of many. And they ALL agreed on the same facts - namely that you were wrong.
 
haymarket said:
Never did that. When you used the ravings of a convicted white racist murderer serving a life sentence in and Indiana prison as your only source for your - what shall we call it - your unique perspective on history - I gave you a raft of sources - and yahoo was but one of many. And they ALL agreed on the same facts - namely that you were wrong.
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Tell us you're not really a history teacher...please?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Well, first, you spelled Herbert wrong. Second, apparently you didn't hear anything about the book, so why would you say it doesn't sound good? Third, I too have spent a lot of time in the Middle East, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the topic.
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My apologies to Mr. Herbert. Great or not, just not the type of reading I am interested in.

OldWorldOrder said:
So you have nothing invested in it. That's interesting.
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I have a pension, from the government and disability, also from the government, my healthcare is again, covered by the government. So as long as there is a government, I am financially set for the rest of my life. There are only two ways for me to lose my benefits, get convicted of a felony that resulted in the death of a human being or the government decides to quit funding pensions and veteran benefits, in which case, if they spend even a single penny on welfare, medicaid or other social programs providing to those who have not earned it, then I start killing libbos until I am killed.


OldWorldOrder said:
No, that doesn't really work. It's a cute idea, though.
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Actually, it works quite well if done properly. Take a look at terrorist events following Reagan's handling of Libya. Unfortunately, Clinton really screwed the pooch on the whole thing and we are dealing with the mess he left.
 
Hairytic said:
Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case based on the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is directed to inciting, and is likely to incite, imminent lawless action."
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So imminent as in a year later?
 
Hairytic said:
When Bush ordered Sadam to be taken out, that created a power vacuum that started a civil war. At that point, our troops were put into a situation that was a losing propsition for the US no matter how it was dealt with.
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Defeatism everywhere....
 
DVSentinel said:
My apologies to Mr. Herbert. Great or not, just not the type of reading I am interested in.
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So, again, if you're not interested in American policy in the Middle East, why are you talking about it? I'm not interested in lobster recipes, so guess what? I'm not talking about them.

I have a pension, from the government and disability, also from the government, my healthcare is again, covered by the government. So as long as there is a government, I am financially set for the rest of my life. There are only two ways for me to lose my benefits, get convicted of a felony that resulted in the death of a human being or the government decides to quit funding pensions and veteran benefits, in which case, if they spend even a single penny on welfare, medicaid or other social programs providing to those who have not earned it, then I start killing libbos until I am killed.
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So why does American policy in the Middle East interest you enough to talk about, but not educate yourself regarding? To be honest, anything that is worth talking about is worth educating yourself about. That's just me, though.

Actually, it works quite well if done properly. Take a look at terrorist events following Reagan's handling of Libya. Unfortunately, Clinton really screwed the pooch on the whole thing and we are dealing with the mess he left.
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No, it doesn't work well. I've spent 10 years of my life involved in it. Killing is great. Killing can very useful. Killing is worth much more than liberals give it credit for. But it's not the fix for everything. Hammers are awesome tools, but you can't build a house using only hammers. Other tools are necessary.
 
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Hairytic said:
Grant said:
I don't see an apology here. I see the statement as being one that is diplomatic and used to stop violence. We, as a nation, should condem efforst to offend believer of all religions. That is not an apology. That is a diplomatic stance.
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Wow! Where do you stand on the topic of the American Revolution?
Dhimmitude anyone? ("dhimmitude" refers to non-Muslims appeasing and surrendering to Muslims)
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