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Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions

Re: Judge Strikes Down Wisconsin Law Limiting Union Rights

Is the USA a democracy?
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Klown said:
Is the USA a democracy?
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what relevance does this have to a thread about public sector unions

fascism is government control. this appears to be an attempt to derail the thread
 
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one day,i hope to see public sector unions become a footnote in history books....

i'm ok with private sector unions taking their place at the influence table, though.
 
lpast said:
Its not over of course...Im sure it will be appealed...but these court cases will go on until next election at least


A Wisconsin judge has struck down the politically divisive state law that gutted collective bargaining rights for most public workers, the Associated Press reports.

Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled today that the law, which was championed by Gov. Scott Walker and Republican lawmakers, violates both the state and U.S. constitutions. AP writes that it wasn't immediately clear whether the law was suspended immediately.
Unions representing Madison's teachers Milwaukee city employees had sued to overturn the law. Walker survived a June recall attempt driven by unions.

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I thought this already went before the Wisconsin Supreme Court?
 
cpwill said:
I thought this already went before the Wisconsin Supreme Court?
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It did on a separate matter. The Supreme Court ruled 5-4(sorta, it's complex) ruled that the method used to pass the law was not unconstitutional.
 
Redress said:
It did on a separate matter. The Supreme Court ruled 5-4(sorta, it's complex) ruled that the method used to pass the law was not unconstitutional.
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yeah, i went and read the article. you gotta be friggin kidding me.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what relevance does this have to a thread about public sector unions

fascism is government control. this appears to be an attempt to derail the thread
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One of the fundamental pillars of fascist control is the suppression and crushing of unions

did you actually read the writing in my post?
 
TurtleDude said:
in public sectors-unions have huge advantages. Why

Because often the unions are the masters of those bargaining "against them"

when I represented a company in a union negation the union was trying to increase its benefits but it was limited by two things.

1) what other members of the work force would work for

2) the health of the company

and I as the rep for management was bargaining for the best interest of management

however, in the public sector

the tax payers are on the hook to pay the public sector contracts

but the tax payers and the parents (in the case of teachers) are not properly represented at the bargaining table

in strong union areas the politicians are often elected with the help of the unions and are more beholden to the unions than the taxpayers.
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c'mon squire
you do know that we have a representative government
that our officials have been democratically elected to represent our interests
so, your argument that the taxpayer is not represented at the negotiation table is at best a spurious one
 
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TurtleDude said:
there is no constitutional right to a public sector union
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public employees do not relinquish their Constitutional rights when they accept jobs in government
which means public sector employees have as much right to union representation as private sector employees
but since you insist you are a lawyer, give us the legal basis which excludes the public employees from retaining their Constitutional rights of assembly
 
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justabubba said:
public employees do not relinquish their Constitutional rights when they accept jobs in government
which means public sector employees have as much right to union representation as private sector employees
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fascinating. why has no federal judge issued a similar ruling against the federal government, which currently does not allow it's employees to unionize?
 
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cpwill said:
fascinating. why has no federal judge issued a similar ruling against the federal government, which currently does not allow it's employees to unionize?
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really. you mean i have been an official of the American Federation of Government Employees since 1985 and all that time the folks in the federal sector i was representing had no rights to union representation?
that $7.6 million overtime settlement we distributed last year must have been vapor
 
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justabubba said:
really. you mean i have been an official of the American Federation of Government Employees since 1985 and all that time the folks in the federal sector i was representing had no rights to union representation?
that $7.6 million overtime settlement we distributed last year must have been vapor
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some are, and some are barred from doing so. The DOJ, the TSA, and the military, for example. Can I sue the federal government for damages as I have not been allowed to unionize?
 
cpwill said:
I thought this already went before the Wisconsin Supreme Court?
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That was another aspect they were fighting....I believe....this fight will rage on and it wont help the GOP in the long run
 
lpast said:
That was another aspect they were fighting....I believe....this fight will rage on and it wont help the GOP in the long run
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nah. the math is on the side of the GOP here, same with entitlement reform.
 
lpast said:
Its not over of course...Im sure it will be appealed...but these court cases will go on until next election at least


A Wisconsin judge has struck down the politically divisive state law that gutted collective bargaining rights for most public workers, the Associated Press reports.

Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled today that the law, which was championed by Gov. Scott Walker and Republican lawmakers, violates both the state and U.S. constitutions. AP writes that it wasn't immediately clear whether the law was suspended immediately.
Unions representing Madison's teachers Milwaukee city employees had sued to overturn the law. Walker survived a June recall attempt driven by unions.

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now this is the way i like to start my saturday morning, with good news!!!
 
cpwill said:
nah. the math is on the side of the GOP here, same with entitlement reform.
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The numbers are on the side of the voters
 
lpast said:
The numbers are on the side of the voters
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Even the voters do not have the option to turn off reality. But as I recall the voters of Wisconsin had their chance to comment on Scott Walkers reforms when he was put up for a recall election :).
 
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justabubba said:
public employees do not relinquish their Constitutional rights when they accept jobs in government
which means public sector employees have as much right to union representation as private sector employees
but since you insist you are a lawyer, give us the legal basis which excludes the public employees from retaining their Constitutional rights of assembly
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government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition congress... a right available to every citizen.

why do you feel government workers should be possessing of rights and authority not available to every citizen?
 
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justabubba said:
public employees do not relinquish their Constitutional rights when they accept jobs in government
which means public sector employees have as much right to union representation as private sector employees
but since you insist you are a lawyer, give us the legal basis which excludes the public employees from retaining their Constitutional rights of assembly
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You should take a look at the Hatch Act. Federal workers by law are not allowed to do a lot of things in the political arena.

Constitutional rights are one thing. The special privileges granted to unions by statute are another. The closed shop, the right to collect dues through paycheck deductions, mandatory payment of dues to unions, unions running the pension fund. All of that was granted by legislation and does not constitute constitutional rights. Work rules, performance evaluation, remuneration, the extent to which a government institution is bound by collective bargaining, etc., can be dictated by legislation for public workers and the legislature need not pay any attention to what the union says.

The right of assembly does not include the right to impose the union's will on the legislature.

The teacher's unions made it pretty clear that they can't survive without mandatory dues. The idea that a union has the constitutional right to collect dues from workers who are not their members is about as silly as it gets.
 
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Thrilla said:
government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition congress... a right available to every citizen.

why do you feel government workers should be possessing of rights and authority not available to every citizen?
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no one said federal workers should possess rights not available to civilians
but neither should they be deprived of Constitutional rights only because they are public workers
 
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justabubba said:
no one said federal workers should possess rights not available to civilians
but neither should they be deprived of Constitutional rights only because they are public workers
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I agree... which is why I support the eradication of public sector unions... and do not support the the eradication of the right to petition congress for redress of grievances.
 
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Thrilla said:
I agree... which is why I support the eradication of public sector unions... and do not support the the eradication of the right to petition congress for redress of grievances.
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you seem confused
if you agree that public employee possess the rights of civilian employees then you should also recognize that public employees should have the right to union representation just as do private sector employees
 
lpast said:
Its not over of course...Im sure it will be appealed...but these court cases will go on until next election at least


A Wisconsin judge has struck down the politically divisive state law that gutted collective bargaining rights for most public workers, the Associated Press reports.

Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled today that the law, which was championed by Gov. Scott Walker and Republican lawmakers, violates both the state and U.S. constitutions. AP writes that it wasn't immediately clear whether the law was suspended immediately.
Unions representing Madison's teachers Milwaukee city employees had sued to overturn the law. Walker survived a June recall attempt driven by unions.

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It's about time that The Constitution was brought into this argument. This thing is going to go just like the rights under the II Amendment that the Supreme Court has upheld.
 
cpwill said:
Even the voters do not have the option to turn off reality. But as I recall the voters of Wisconsin had their chance to comment on Scott Walkers reforms when he was put up for a recall election :).
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CPwill us being broke because of Public workers and Medicare is subjective and opinionated and YOUR opinion and the opinion of the teatards is not the only opinion allowed in the United States....others think there far more blatant reasons for our debt...like 30 yrs of tax cuts and outsourcing and the total utter rape of americans by the financial industry....a few americans making a decent wage and benefits is NOT the cause of this
 
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