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Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protest

Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

I don't blame the guy for going into hiding. he wants to witness the fallout behind the facts he presented. Any of you would do the same thing.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

The people protesting the film grabbed the Ambassador, carried him to a car and rushed to Benghazi Medical Center.

The Ambassador was there to dedicate some joint venture between Harvard Med School and the Medical Center. mb Stevens had no ID on him. It was 2 AM and it was evidently mass confusion.

Not for the people who already knew where the supposedly safe "safe house" was.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Brutal, murderous oppression has everything to do with it. And until it is removed, there will be psychological animals in our human family.

It has nothing to do with this.
Individuals personal radical religious beliefs have to do with it. Egypt is ran by a coalition gov that includes Islamisits, the Egpytian gov is not promoting people hit the streets and go kill Americans in the embassy. Soo is Libya.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Are you sure we have risen above anything when people in this country are holding the entire Islam community responsible for the actions of a few?

I haven't seen anybody doing this. What I have seen is people being extra-super-duper careful not to overgeneralize or offend, so could you link me up with some examples please?
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Deflecting from the OP's topic is all you do. You have no credible retort.

The topic is claiming that Bacile is responsible for the riots and not the protestors. It's perfectly resonable to debate that notion.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

It has nothing to do with this.
Individuals personal radical religious beliefs have to do with it. Egypt is ran by a coalition gov that includes Islamisits, the Egpytian gov is not promoting people hit the streets and go kill Americans in the embassy. Soo is Libya.

This violence is perpetuated by the same islamic extremist mindset as drives Hamas, Hez and AlQ. Personal beliefs do not give rise to rioting because of a movie in the west. Do you propose that western personal beliefs are less than Islamic personal beliefs? I realize that the governments (prehaps excepting Egypt) are not behind the attacks, but brainwashing nutbags are. Why do those brainwashing nutbags have power? Because the physical infrastructure (including a free press) is not yet there in regard to democracy, and the social infrastructure is not there for liberal western democracy.

Blaming a movie instead of the oppressors is nonsense. Do we blame pink ribbons for the demonstrations of Westboro Baptist? No, we don't, we blame it's leaders. Why? Because blaming inanimate objects is stupid. People are to blame. Oppressors are to blame. Tyranny is to blame.

World peace through world freedom. I refuse world peace until ALL of my brothers and sisters are free.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

I don't blame the guy for going into hiding. he wants to witness the fallout behind the facts he presented. Any of you would do the same thing.

Are you serious?

He made a really vulgar movie about the prophet to incite Muslims and blames it on Israelis.

That's pretty damned low down.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Are you sure we have risen above anything when people in this country are holding the entire Islam community responsible for the actions of a few?

The Islamic community is responsible. It's their responsibility to put an end to this clownage. If they don't, then it can only mean that they are in agreement with the actions of the crazies.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

The Islamic community is responsible. It's their responsibility to put an end to this clownage. If they don't, then it can only mean that they are in agreement with the actions of the crazies.
Extremists more often than not are more vocal and influential than scores of benign followers of any given ideology or religion. For what it's worth though, Morsi, the Egyptian President condemned the acts nearly immediately.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Are you sure we have risen above anything when people in this country are holding the entire Islam community responsible for the actions of a few?

I don't hold all Muslims responsible. But Islamics are different than Muslims, right? Islam carries a connotation of 12th caliphate and world domination. It also carries the connotation of State power behind religious beliefs. When I use the term Islamic, I mean those predisposed to terrorism, dictators, theocracies and such for the purpose of world domination.

If we can have Jews separate from Zionists, then we can have Muslims separate from Islamists?

But that is a matter of semantics. My point is that as long as tyranny reigns anywhere over us, there will not be peace. As long as my brothers and sisters remain brutally oppressed by genocidal theocracies, people can take their peace and shove it up their ass.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Extremists more often than not are more vocal and influential than scores of benign followers of any given ideology or religion. For what it's worth though, Morsi, the Egyptian President condemned the acts nearly immediately.

It's not worth much, because after his lipservice, he instructed Egyptian diplomats to persue leagal action here in the states.

With all the inaction from the Islamic community--the riots continue in Cairo with nothing more than token action by Egyptian authorities--means that they agree with what the goof asses are doing.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Every once in a while, we should double-check just too see if those oppressed like animals can rise above. It's further proof that we must becomes actively involved in dismantling Islamic governments, or we will continue to have a huge portion of the earth inhabited by such vile ignorance.

Personally, I don't favor dismantling any government, let alone Islamic ones. In Islamic countries, it's very difficult to separate the religion from the politics, and what you would likely end up with is people who have their entire way of life uprooted and turned upside down, which is not good for stability. This type of undertaking is something better left for evolution in thought to take care of, not forced from outsiders, as we would quickly be viewed as the enemy.
 
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Extremists more often than not are more vocal and influential than scores of benign followers of any given ideology or religion. For what it's worth though, Morsi, the Egyptian President condemned the acts nearly immediately.

He condemned the acts as cowardly and criminal.

Looks like this Bacile character may go back to jail for violating his parole.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

This violence is perpetuated by the same islamic extremist mindset as drives Hamas, Hez and AlQ.
Yes....
But none of these are in power in the two major regions where the protests are taking place (Egypt and Libya)


Personal beliefs do not give rise to rioting because of a movie in the west.
Yes they do. When you are a radical Islamic extremist and believe that its a cause to riot because someone makes fun of your prophet or because someone made a ****ty movie about it.
That is a personal belief. True they may of got these ideas from some radical imam or someone else but still they have the freedom to choose their beliefs, and it still makes it a personal belief.

Do you propose that western personal beliefs are less than Islamic personal beliefs?
Uhhh no..

I realize that the governments (prehaps excepting Egypt) are not behind the attacks, but brainwashing nutbags are.
Yes....


Why do those brainwashing nutbags have power?
Because people follow them.

Because the physical infrastructure (including a free press) is not yet there in regard to democracy, and the social infrastructure is not there for liberal western democracy.
Thats not true. You can have radical nut bags in any form of government.


Blaming a movie instead of the oppressors is nonsense.
This isnt about oppression. Its happening across the middle east true, which just so happens to be less free than we are. But that does not make it about oppression, its just their religious views are an extreme radical form of Islam

Do we blame pink ribbons for the demonstrations of Westboro Baptist? No, we don't, we blame it's leaders.
Terrible analogy/

Why? Because blaming inanimate objects is stupid. People are to blame. Oppressors are to blame. Tyranny is to blame.
Well based on that knowledge since we have the KKK, the New Black Panthers, abortion clinic bombers, and Westboro then the blame is on our country because we are oppressing them and igniting tryanny.

World peace through world freedom. I refuse world peace until ALL of my brothers and sisters are free.
Ok..... :roll:
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Hey man- where ya been? Aren't you aware that films now kill people? :2razz:

It could be true, when I saw Reefer Madness I laughed so much I thought I was high...:lol:
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Ok..... :roll:

I walk the talk. I volunteered paratrooper during war and I conduct development research in Africa.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

I walk the talk. I volunteered paratrooper during war and I conduct development research in Africa.

Good for you..
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

Good for you..

So you know what you can do with your eyesroll, and your keyboard revolution.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

I haven't seen anybody doing this. What I have seen is people being extra-super-duper careful not to overgeneralize or offend, so could you link me up with some examples please?

Did you read the quote I used in the post or just the stuff I wrote?
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

The Islamic community is responsible. It's their responsibility to put an end to this clownage. If they don't, then it can only mean that they are in agreement with the actions of the crazies.

Does that mean that the entire Christian community is responsible for the actions of the Ku Klux Klan or the Arian Nation? Are all Catholics responsible for the behavior for the Catholics in Ireland who are feuding with the Protestants? Are all Protestants responsible for their side of that conflict? Are all Christians responsible for the language being used by the Tea Party?
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

I don't hold all Muslims responsible. But Islamics are different than Muslims, right? Islam carries a connotation of 12th caliphate and world domination. It also carries the connotation of State power behind religious beliefs. When I use the term Islamic, I mean those predisposed to terrorism, dictators, theocracies and such for the purpose of world domination.

If we can have Jews separate from Zionists, then we can have Muslims separate from Islamists?

But that is a matter of semantics. My point is that as long as tyranny reigns anywhere over us, there will not be peace. As long as my brothers and sisters remain brutally oppressed by genocidal theocracies, people can take their peace and shove it up their ass.

Muslim is the label given for the people of that region, Islam is the name of the religion.

Also, I agree we should fight tyranny but we must be sure we have the consent of the majority of any country before we intervene. If we believe in our ideals then we have a responsibility to let countries figure out for themselves how they want to fight.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

You have a popular mainstream israeli mainstream news source haaretz, confirming the filmmaker is an israeli.


Also the L.A. Times and CNN and other credible mainstream media sources also confirm this.

I think it's pretty pathetic that you think an Egyptian would be behind this film.

Does it matter? Israel has freedom of speech as well. What he did was inflammatory to some degree but not really much worse than how the average Family Guy episode mocks Christians/Jesus. If you want to throw religion and nationality into this then maybe we should all highlight that the barbarians that vandalized and murdered people were Egyptian Muslims. As far as I'm concerned, attacking a foreign nation's embassy and killing foreign diplomats is far worse than making a low quality video poking fun at Muhammad.
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

He's not an Israeli. He's a Coptic Christian Egyptian con man and fraudster...
 
Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

You have a popular mainstream israeli mainstream news source haaretz, confirming the filmmaker is an israeli.

Also the L.A. Times and CNN and other credible mainstream media sources also confirm this.

I think it's pretty pathetic that you think an Egyptian would be behind this film.
September 13, 2012
Who is 'Sam Bacile'?
Bret Stephens - WSJ
New intriguing leads on the man who made the world's most deadly movie trailer.
Who is 'Sam Bacile'? - WSJ.com

"..Since then questions have swirled about the identity of the film-maker. On Tuesday, the Journal spoke to a man who claimed to be the director and called himself Sam Bacile. He described himself as a 52-year-old Israeli-American real-estate developer, called Islam a "cancer," and said the film had been funded by Jewish donors to the tune of $5 million.

But as the Journal reports, there are no records of a "Sam Bacile" either in the U.S. or Israel. The Journal also reports that "Sam Bacile's" phone number was traced to an address in Cerritos, Calif., which appears to be the home of somebody named Nakoula Bassely Nakoula. Along with a "Sam Basselley," Mr. Nakoula is listed as one of the film's producers. In a conversation with the Associated Press, he denied being Sam Bacile but claimed to be a Coptic Christian and the manager of the company that had produced the film. Records indicate that a man named Nakoula Nakoula recently served a prison sentence for bank fraud. Among his known aliases are Mark Basseley Youssef and Youssef M. Basseley.

With help from a tipster, I've done some sleuthing myself and come up with a few intriguing leads. .... Most of the written exchanges on the page are in Arabic, and most of Sam Bassel's Facebook friends appear to be of Arab origin as well. Also listed as a Favorite on the page is a link to a Facebook group called "I am Egyptian."

The "Sam Bassel" Facebook page abruptly vanished yesterday. But I caught a screen grab of the page before it disappeared.
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Note the name under the "Work and Education" tag: "matthew mtta dba," in Norwalk Calif. A Google search finds that a legal notice for a Fictitious Business Name Statement was posted in the Nov. 4-10, 2010 issue of the San Gabriel Valley Examiner, on page B11. It reads: "The following person(s) doing business as: MATTHEW MTTA" and gives the registrant's name as "Abanob Basseley," along with an address in Norwalk.

So who is Abanob Basseley? Yesterday I called a number listed to that name with an address in Cerritos, CA—the same town in which Nakoula Nakoula apparently lives. The number was no longer in service, so the hunt goes on. But a few tentative conclusions:

Sam Bacile/Bassel is NOT an Israeli-American, and his attempt to pass himself off as one is a potentially deadly Slander. His film—if there really is any footage beyond the 14-minute clip—did not cost anything like $5 million to make. There is no cabal of Jewish donors who put up the money. Sam Bassel, or whoever used that name as a Facebook alias, speaks and writes fluent Arabic and likely has an Egyptian background. The name Abanob Basseley is, as one Egyptian friend tells me, as typically Coptic as, say, Mohammad is Muslim or Shlomo is Jewish. (St. Abonoub is a Coptic saint named after an Egyptian child martyred by the Romans.) The fact that the film was publicly promoted by Morris Sadek, the head of the National American Coptic Assembly, also suggests a Coptic connection to the film.

No doubt we'll learn more about "Sam Bacile" in the days to come. What effect, if any, an accurate account of the video clip's true origins will have on the protesters rampaging in Arab capitals remains to be seen.
 
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Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

If we could get everyone who owns a computer to draw a few pictures of Muhammad and post them all on the same day - that'd pretty much expose this muslim radicals gone wild excuse.
 
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