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US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

The ironic part..most of this is the fault of the GOP and the Bush administration.. they started the slide and it is damn hard to stop such a slide...

You are deluded if you think it would be any different under democrat leadership. Secondly, the economic performance of a state is mostly dependent on state policies.

California has seen average household income gone back to 1980 levels, poverty rates has risen to 17% and that is not adjusted for the high cost of living. Cost of living in California is 30% higher than US average. That means California has an average wage of 41K vs 50K US average. Also, that means poverty rate is actually around 20-25%. US average is 15%.

Blaming it all on the GOP is not going to work.

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You are deluded if you think it would be any different under democrat leadership. Secondly, the economic performance of a state is mostly dependent on state policies.

California has seen average household income gone back to 1980 levels, poverty rates has risen to 17% and that is not adjusted for the high cost of living. Cost of living in California is 30% higher than US average. That means California has an average wage of 41K vs 50K US average. Also, that means poverty rate is actually around 20-25%. US average is 15%.

Blaming it all on the GOP is not going to work.

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Eh what does this have to do with anything I said? Fact is the present, not the past.. the present downturn is the result of mostly GOP policies and George Bush with a bit of blame on Clinton.
 
Eh what does this have to do with anything I said? Fact is the present, not the past.. the present downturn is the result of mostly GOP policies and George Bush with a bit of blame on Clinton.
It has precisely to do with that you said. You are blaming drop in living standards on GOP policies and Bush when democrat states like California are doing worse.

Now you are blaming the downturn on the GOP. What was Democrats proposing that would avert the crisis in 2001-2005? Democrats like Barney Frank were claiming there was no housing bubble in 2005, and recommended congress to expand home ownership. Democrats like Maxine Waters and Gregory Meeks were saying "don't regulate Fannie Mae or Freddy Mac".

The financial crisis would have happened under democrat leadership too. It was a collective failure, and it really shows your bias when you say otherwise. You should know better.
 
The average income for the top 400 richest leaches in the USA has never decreased since records have been kept.

The only thing that has decreased for this elite group of pig troughing sociopaths, is their tax liability. For example, these top 400 greed freaks, paid 52% tax on an average income of 13 million dollars per year in the 1950s. By the the year 2007, these blood sucking elite criminals were earning over 300 million dollars per year each and paying just 18% tax.

Now what person's efforts and skills require an hourly rate of pay of over $144,000?

A reminder that the minimum wage in the USA is $7.15 per hour.
 
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The average income for the top 400 richest leches in the USA has never decreased since records have been kept.

The only thing that has decreased for this elite group of pig troughing sociopaths, is their tax liabili. For example, these top 400 greed freaks, paid 52% tax on and average income of 13 million dollars per year in the 1950s. By the the year 2007, these blood sucking elite criminals were earning over 300 million dollars per year each and paying just 18% tax.

That claim looks pretty false to me. Maybe you should do some research before you come with such absurd claims.

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Now what person's efforts and skills require an hourly rate of pay of over $144,000?
Your are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It has nothing to do with what they deserve. It is about return on investment. Without Bill gates, you would not have windows or xbox. Without Sergey Brin and Larry Page you would not have google. These people create wealth for the country, and don't really have that much income compared to the wealth of the country. Their net worth increased by about 100 billion since 2010. The deficit is at 1000 billion. The net worth of all housing in the US is 30 trillion.

You may not like it, but we need the rich.
 
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It has precisely to do with that you said. You are blaming drop in living standards on GOP policies and Bush when democrat states like California are doing worse.

California is not doing worse according to your chart.. it is in fact following the national trends..

Now you are blaming the downturn on the GOP. What was Democrats proposing that would avert the crisis in 2001-2005? Democrats like Barney Frank were claiming there was no housing bubble in 2005, and recommended congress to expand home ownership. Democrats like Maxine Waters and Gregory Meeks were saying "don't regulate Fannie Mae or Freddy Mac".

Because Fannie and Freddy were not the problem and they were under quite heavy regulation. For one the root cause of the problem, the private sub-prime mortgage market could not sell their crap to Fannie and Freddy because they were so heavily regulated.

The financial crisis would have happened under democrat leadership too. It was a collective failure, and it really shows your bias when you say otherwise. You should know better.

Again this what I stated.. however I put most of the blame on the GOP, but far from all. It was GOP policy to deregulate, pushed on by 2 GOPers in a GOP congress and signed into law by a Democrat. This deregulation lead to the unregulated private sub-prime mortgage market that was ultimately responsible for the financial melt down.
 
That claim looks pretty false to me. Maybe you should do some research before you come with such absurd claims.


You may not like it, but we need the rich.

Thats what the rich tell you you! You need them. You cant live without them. Incidentally about 98% of everything you see around you was first invented and developed by tax payer funding - even this internet thing we are on now. Bill Gates personally invented very little - let alone the windows operating platform. The private and corporate sectors take very little initial risk and do very little genuine paradigm shifting innovation. This is especially the case in the Corpocracy of the USA - thats how your tyrannical fascist Oligarchy works

I am not against having business leaders and CEOs etc - but lets not over compensate their real worth to society and turn society into an inhumane Plutocracy. In Japan the Top CEOs earn about 20 to 30 ttimes the least paid employee - and this is still the case today. In the USA of the past similar multiples were paid to top executives. Today the top executives are paid over 1000 times the wage of their least paid employee. A greed trend which is worsening even over the 2008 GFC.

I suggest you look at the following data of the TOP 400 incomes earners in the USA and how much tax they paid in the past and how much they pay today (before you cast accusations relating to the accuracy of my posted data).
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California is not doing worse according to your chart.. it is in fact following the national trends..
Since 1989, US median household income has gone from 50624 to 50054. In California it has gone from 57810 to 53367. if you think that is following national trends, then you need some new glasses.

Because Fannie and Freddy were not the problem and they were under quite heavy regulation. For one the root cause of the problem, the private sub-prime mortgage market could not sell their crap to Fannie and Freddy because they were so heavily regulated.
Fannie and Freddy were certainly lending to people who were subprime or taxpayers would not be forced to pay 200 billion in bailouts to them. What happened is that they dropped lending standards with the help from the government to not lose market share. Again as stated, it was government policy to increase home ownership. To reduce lending standards is a good way to increase home ownership, and Democrats were the main supporters of relaxation of lending standards.

Again this what I stated.. however I put most of the blame on the GOP, but far from all. It was GOP policy to deregulate, pushed on by 2 GOPers in a GOP congress and signed into law by a Democrat. This deregulation lead to the unregulated private sub-prime mortgage market that was ultimately responsible for the financial melt down.
First off sub-prime mortages are not the only reason, there was plenty of prime loans that defaulted.

You talk about Glass–Steagall Act. But what you forget to mentoion is that only 20% of Democrats voted against it. And it is not responsible for the meldown. Most of the things that was done during the housing boom was still possible with the Glass–Steagall Act, and it was easy to get around the few that wasn't. One of the reason it got reversed was because it was irrelavant.

There are many things that could have prevented the crisis. For instance they could have not put interest rates at 1%. That would help a lot, as investors would just keep buying treasuries instead of gambling on houses. If this was set up and combined with some federal requirements for whom can get loans the financial crisis would never happen.

Again, this was a collective failure of the GOP and Democrats. Stop blaming one side because you don't like it. Try to be less biased.
 
Thats what the rich tell you you! You need them. You cant live without them. Incidentally about 98% of everything you see around you was first invented and developed by tax payer funding - even this internet thing we are on now. Bill Gates personally invented very little - let alone the windows operating platform. The private and corporate sectors take very little initial risk and do very little genuine paradigm shifting innovation. This is especially the case in the Corpocracy of the USA - thats how your tyrannical fascist Oligarchy works
You are again looking at it from the wrong perspective. If you talk about inventing, it was mostly universities.

But who put the ideas that universities created to life. That was not the government, that was not the universities, that was businesses. If you don't like that model, then there are plenty of socialist countries in the world to choose from such as Cuba, and North Korea.

I am not against having business leaders and CEOs etc - but lets not over compensate their real worth to society and turn society into an inhumane Plutocracy. In Japan the Top CEOs earn about 20 to 30 ttimes the least paid employee - and this is still the case today. In the USA of the past similar multiples were paid to top executives. Today the top executives are paid over 1000 times the wage of their least paid employee. A greed trend which is worsening even over the 2008 GFC.
More bull****. Please write this down "I will not posts claims I have not researched. " This is the second time you come with absurd claims. Minimum wage in Japan is 16000 USD per year. Top CEOs in Japan are not earning 400K USD. 300 CEOs in Japan earn more than 1100K USD. The CEO of Nissan earns 11M USD. That is way more than 25 times.

Also, why does it matter? These people lead big companies with billions in revenues. That is why they are willing to spend so much money on their CEOs, because they have a very large influence on the company. If you are right and they are squandering their money on CEOs, then they will lose market share as other who do not squander money on their CEOs will have lower prices.

I suggest you look at the following data of the TOP 400 incomes earners in the USA and how much tax they paid in the past and how much they pay today (before you cast accusations relating to the accuracy of my posted data).
Oh.. come on. This is just sad. I do not have a memory of a gold fish.

Your claim was that forbes 400 has always seen rising incomes, i proved you wrong. In fact their wealth hasn't even increased since 2000. Your claim had nothing to do with taxes.
 
You are again looking at it from the wrong perspective. If you talk about inventing, es.

A perspective cannot be wrong by definition, it's very much a subjective personal angle a person looks at a situation. You are entitled to your perspective, irrespective of whether you think it's supremely correct or not.

You are also entitled to defend the fascist tyrannical corpocracy that enslaves you - that is your perspectively arrived at choice.

The 20th century saw emergence of three forms of fascism. Bolshevism, Nazism and Corporatism. Each with their critical levels of propaganda in order to perusade their slaves, oops their citizens, that they don't have chains around their limbs.

Tell me something. How did you feel when the fake free market ideology in the USA was abandoned in 2008, and bail outs and the nationalising of the US car industry was carried out by the socialist corporate welfare puppets in Washington?

I am sure you quiet about the trillions that were funneled into the pockets of the corporates, banks and elite plutocrats, the very people who caused the GFC in the first place.

Campion must have been as quiet as a mouse as corporate welfare chegues were handed out in theirmtrillionsnby BOTH major political parties in the US when in office.
 
You are also entitled to defend the fascist tyrannical corpocracy that enslaves you - that is your perspectively arrived at choice.
No one enslaves you. The standard of living in the US if higher than anywhere on the globe with the same population. Europe is poorer, and everywhere else is poorer than Europe. Think about all the things you can take for granted. Do you think you could produce everything you use right now if you got together with 100 friends of yours and shared the output.

Tell me something. How did you feel when the fake free market ideology in the USA was abandoned in 2008, and bail outs and the nationalising of the US car industry was carried out by the socialist corporate welfare puppets in Washington?
Well I didn't like it of course, because I didn't support the policies that lead to the crisis. I have always been in favour of regulation to prevent politicians from taking advantage of their voters for financial or political gain. Also, I believe they should have cooled down the economy in 2001, instead of cutting interest rates and going on a spending binge to prevent a minor slowdown.

I still believed some sort of bailouts were needed, as the economy was heading for collapse. US has done much better post crisis than Europe has despite the fact that US created the crisis. The European politicans are inflicting much more harm on their citizens than Americans are. That is because american politicians tend to be solution oriented, while European politicians tend to follow ideologies blindly, without thinking about reality or consulting experitize. In 2009 ECB thought Greece would do better than European average. And they still don't understand why things are going so wrong in Greece and other European countries.

It is not about too much austerity or too little austerity. It is about the kind of austerity they are doing. They don't want to admit the negative consequences of the euro, hence they are not able to find solutions that will take the euro into account.

I am sure you quiet about the trillions that were funneled into the pockets of the corporates, banks and elite plutocrats, the very people who caused the GFC in the first place.

Campion must have been as quiet as a mouse as corporate welfare chegues were handed out in theirmtrillionsnby BOTH major political parties in the US when in office.

Of course I didn't like it, but I think you are being too negative.
 
I sometimes wonder if it is even worth it anymore to even address certain posters in here. Seems that some of the newer blood is coming in with an agenda of bitter rancor, rather than actual debate.
 
Of course I didn't like it, but I think you are being too negative.

So now you say that you are appauled at the trillions of dollars of tax payers money that went to bail out banks, nationalist corporations (such as GMH in the car industry) AND yet you are convinced that WE need the rich???

Intersting how you can be so generous and compassionate to the supremely rich, the clowns that caused the financial mess the planet is in, and the same very clowns who are feeding off the corporate welfare nipple. Criminal clowns! How many criminal Banking CEOs do you know of that were charged with any commercial missconduct? Any convictions? Any changes to the Corporate or Banking Acts? Any new regulations? Nope - its business as usual. Socialise costs and risks, whilst privatise and corporatise profits and gains. The CORPOCRACY is alive and kicking isnt it folks! The tyranny lives on!

Are you aware that these corporations and TOP 400 incomes earners are now even richer than before the GFC in 2008?

Now I wonder how that happened?

What about the rest of the US population, are they better off since the 2008 GFC?

"steal a lttle a they throw you in Jail, steal a lot and they make you King" (Robert Zimmerman, Infidels album, 1980s)

It seems that you worship the elite Plutocrats and Tyrants in the hope that they may give you some crumbs - lol.

How much do you think your vote is worth now, each time you cast it at a US election?
 
You talk about Glass–Steagall Act. But what you forget to mentoion is that only 20% of Democrats voted against it. And it is not responsible for the meldown. Most of the things that was done during the housing boom was still possible with the Glass–Steagall Act, and it was easy to get around the few that wasn't. One of the reason it got reversed was because it was irrelavant.

One of the few things in your post with which I agree. Glass-Steagall was dead; congress just buried it.

There are many things that could have prevented the crisis. For instance they could have not put interest rates at 1%. That would help a lot, as investors would just keep buying treasuries instead of gambling on houses. If this was set up and combined with some federal requirements for whom can get loans the financial crisis would never happen.

Again, this was a collective failure of the GOP and Democrats. Stop blaming one side because you don't like it. Try to be less biased.

I would argue that it's broader than that; it was a collective failure of everyone involved. But that's how bubbles operate. Leverage just amplified its bursting enormously.
 
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And you got that from where, your ass? I have already given data that proves this point wrong. http://inequality.org/wp-content/up...ealth-forbes-400-richest-americans.png?4c9b33

I am done with you!

Oh dear me, mr calm on the professor from kiwi land has given up, waived the white flag.

The defender of corporate fascism and immoral elitism cannot stomach a simple debate and thus leaves pretending to be victorious.

These supreme fascist kings and queens most of whom are criminal sociopaths are defended by the moral silver knight named camlon.

You will need to explain your slave based elitist fascist tyranny that requires slaves and blind consumers in order to perpetuate its pathetic decadence and self destruction to God whence you take your last breath.

There will be no crevice to hide your putrid carcass and rotting soul.
 
So now we know what the official liberal position is. Cool.

His post seemed to be made up completely of talking points meant to promote one side over the other: I doubt he's an actual plant, but he does seem to be a cheerleader. Never a good quality.

Had you intended to dispute any of the factual bases for the points raised in the post? It seems not. It seems that you were content with the baseless fluff of simply labeling such facts as "talking points" and then moving on. That's the sort of attitude that people take when their own positions are not based on facts at all, but rather crumble at the approach of them. And we do have rather a lot of that sort to contend with around these parts.
 
Let's not check our critical thinking at the door (which is what saying Bush is the worst president ever while saying Obama is FDR) in order to forward partisan politics.
Reading is fundamental. The post asserted that Obama is like FDR in that there is no established "average" for the work that either one them had to undertake upon inauguration. There is nothing partisan about such a statement, but there certainly may be in such a deeply flawed critcism of it.
 
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"what's new when four times as many of our associates and relations drop out of the work force than find a job" ...

Ahem! ... This is a REPUBLICAN "talking point" ... Actually, approximately, 10,000 Baby Boomers are retiring EVERY DAY ... That's about 300,000 per month of the approximately 400,000 who "drop out" ... IF you believe what the Republicans are trying to SELL ... YOU are not READING FOR UNDERSTANDING ...

As for the level of poverty and homelessness in America today ... THAT has been developing for YEARS! ... The DISPARITY in income accelerated under the Bush Administration ... and IF allowed to do so again, the Republicans will exascerbate that SAD statistic ...

The Middle Class DESERVES better and President Obama IS a champion of the Middle Class ... I have watched him since he won the Democratic nomination and although I supported then Senator Hillary Clinton, I have come to UNDERSTAND and TRULY APPRECIATE OUR great President! ...

Some of our fellow citizens NEED to learn GRATITUDE ... We were SAVED from another GREAT DEPRESSION ... We did however experience a GREAT RECESSION, the WORST since the GREAT DEPRESSION ... We should ALL feel a GREAT DEAL OF GRATITUDE to President Obama and his Administration for delivering us ALL from the BRINK ... which the Republicans left us with ... OPEN YOUR EYES, PLEASE! ...

The Republicans are mad that we are not in recession like the rest of the free world. Romney's got a plan that will fix that for sure.

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Housing starts have been increasing and market inventory is down by nearly 25% year-over-year to roughly 6.5 months worth of sales. What's been most plainly lacking is first-time buyers, this due to a limited supply of homes at lower prices and overly restrictive lending practices.

I think issues like student loan debt is playing a part here as well.
 
If the economy had come back as it should people would be snapping up houses at these bargain basement prices and housing starts would be on the rise.
One more time...housing starts ARE on the rise. And more would be occurring if credit terms were not so overly restrictive. What we have on that score today is just more evidence that risk is underpriced when times are good and overpriced when times are tough. It would be better if we stopped being so willing to shoot ourselves in the foot under either circumstance.
 
It has precisely to do with that you said. You are blaming drop in living standards on GOP policies and Bush when democrat states like California are doing worse.

Now you are blaming the downturn on the GOP. What was Democrats proposing that would avert the crisis in 2001-2005? Democrats like Barney Frank were claiming there was no housing bubble in 2005, and recommended congress to expand home ownership. Democrats like Maxine Waters and Gregory Meeks were saying "don't regulate Fannie Mae or Freddy Mac".

The financial crisis would have happened under democrat leadership too. It was a collective failure, and it really shows your bias when you say otherwise. You should know better.

The housing bubble could only have happened under GOP control. Can you imagine if Democrats asked Fannie Mae to buy $440 billion in no money down mortgages for "poor" people?
GW Bush did and the GOP Congress just sat there and smiled.

Fannie and Freddie were just another investor for the banks to swindle. GW Bush himself turned bankers shill and boasted that he got Fannie to commit to 440 Billion $ to buy the new subprimes in his 2002 "Minority Housing Initiative Program." He even evoked 911 and promised that the plan would "turn incredible evil into incredible good," I swear, I'm not making that up. Heres the bit about Fannie in 2002


And so, therefore, I've called -- yesterday, I called upon the private sector to help us and help the home buyers. We need more capital in the private markets for first-time, low-income buyers. And I'm proud to report that Fannie Mae has heard the call and, as I understand, it's about $440 billion over a period of time. They've used their influence to create that much capital available for the type of home buyer we're talking about here. It's in their charter; it now needs to be implemented. Freddie Mac is interested in helping. I appreciate both of those agencies providing the underpinnings of good capital.
HUD Archives: President George W. Bush Speaks to HUD Employees on National Homeownership Month (6/18/02)

Can you believe he actually said "It's in their charter, it NOW needs to be implemented"? If you know why?, it all will make sense. Anyway there's plenty more, but I fear your brain might explode.
 
The Republicans are mad that we are not in recession like the rest of the free world. Romney's got a plan that will fix that for sure.

This has nothing to do with Obama or the Republicans. The US isn't in a recession currently because it is not located in the Eurozone.
 
Now you are blaming the downturn on the GOP. What was Democrats proposing that would avert the crisis in 2001-2005? Democrats like Barney Frank were claiming there was no housing bubble in 2005, and recommended congress to expand home ownership. Democrats like Maxine Waters and Gregory Meeks were saying "don't regulate Fannie Mae or Freddy Mac".
Quite the desperate stretch to implicate others not actually involved. The credit crisis that bled out into the Great Bush Recession grew up between 2002 and 2006. No Democrat had a hand on any lever of power during that timeframe. All Republicans all the time. There is no such thing as "shared responsibility" for this at all.

As for the GSE's, Democrats (and sensible Republicans) in Congress merely resisted the Bush administration's efforts to destroy them and turn the mission over to Wall Street instead. Meanwhile, everyone realized that both real estate and financial markets were changing rapidly and that GSE-reform was overdue. Multiple bipartisan bills to do just that were developed on Capitol Hill, but the administration shot them down because they dealt only with safety-and-soundness issues and did not go far enough toward running the GSE's out of business.

The financial crisis would have happened under democrat leadership too.
Not very likely. Tax Cuts for the Rich would never have been enacted and so would not have failed. There would have been no reason to freeze interest rates at extreme low levels, institutional investors would not suddenly have been drawn into secondary mortgage markets by a search for yield, Wall Street would not have perceived that demand and created the private-label securitzation shops that private brokers then fed enough slop into to poison the secondary markets thus creating the credit crisis.

It was a collective failure, and it really shows your bias when you say otherwise. You should know better.
Not at all. It was an entirely one-sided disaster. Cowboy capitalists and the terrible fiscal, monetary, and regulatory policies of a bunch of laissez-faire, free-market Republicans. Bad medicine all around. But no Democrats.
 
Fannie and Freddy were certainly lending to people who were subprime or taxpayers would not be forced to pay 200 billion in bailouts to them.
Sheesh!!! At least get the basics down! Fannie and Freddie did not lend to anyone. They are not lenders. They purchase existing mortgage notes from the original lenders. This is how those original lenders recapitalize so that they can lend again. The GSE's then sell the notes they have acquired into secondary mortgage markets made up of large, institutional investors such as central and international banks, insurance companies, pensions funds, money-market funds, charitable trusts, university endowments, and the like. They used to sell notes one at a time, but that was rather ineffficient, so they began creating bundles of say 100 mortgages and selling participation shares in those. Such shares are called mortgage-backed securities. They are sold with a GSE guaranty. It is those guarantys to institutional investors that (where now necessary) are being paid by the government. Payments have become necessary in some cases because so many original mortgage holders have not been able to make their scheduled payments on account of having lost jobs and wealth due to the Republican-created Great Bush Recession.

What happened is that they dropped lending standards with the help from the government to not lose market share.
LOL! Bush wanted nothing more than for the GSE's to lose market share, and eventually they did. Fannie Mae's market share for original purchases fell from more than 70% early in the decade to less than 25% by late 2006.

Standards for conforming loans (i.e., loans that the GSE's would actually purchase) were lowered modestly, and for the same reason that they should be today -- they were preventing large numbers of perfectly well qualified and potentially profitable borrowers from obtaining conventional credit. The Wall Street private-label shops by comparison had practically no standards at all. They would take the slop that the GSE's wouldn't take and just about anything else as well. Then they'd sell it all to somebody else. Strip off the profit and sell off the risk. What a great game until the roof caved in on them. And the rest of us.

Again as stated, it was government policy to increase home ownership. To reduce lending standards is a good way to increase home ownership, and Democrats were the main supporters of relaxation of lending standards.
Increasing home ownership has been a policy of every administration since the Great Depression. It was a national scandal when home ownership in fact declined under Reagan/Bush-41. Meanwhile, no one supported relaxation of lending standards. No law, rule, policy, or court decision has ever mandated that any lender make loans to unqualified borrowers. What did happen was that regulators charged with keeping just such things from happening stood by and allowed unscruplous private brokers to create all sorts of twisted loans that they knew full well could not be repaid through wanton abuse of particularly subprime credit markets. But that's a very different thing.

First off sub-prime mortages are not the only reason,there was plenty of prime loans that defaulted.
In the second wave, sure. Millions of people lost their jobs and their savings thanks to the Great Bush Recession. What would you have expected to happen? The first wave -- the one that actually triggered the credit crisis -- was heavily tilted toward tricked-out subprime loans that made the underwriters a lot of money and later cost the taxpayers a lot of money.

There are many things that could have prevented the crisis. For instance they could have not put interest rates at 1%. That would help a lot, as investors would just keep buying treasuries instead of gambling on houses.
Interest rates were first cut to ward off investor panic after 9/11. Then Greenspan decided to keep them there long term because the Tax Cuts for the Rich had failed to generate any uptick in economic activity. Secondary mortgage markets were meanwhile, staid, plain-vanilla markets at the time. Famous for their safety, they suddenly offered attractive yields in comparison to 1%. Taking a position there was hardly gambling at the time.

If this was set up and combined with some federal requirements for whom can get loans the financial crisis would never happen.
So you would have favored nationalizing the banking system? I thought that was only Commie statists.

Again, this was a collective failure of the GOP and Democrats. Stop blaming one side because you don't like it. Try to be less biased.
LOL!!! It was an exclusively Republican enterprise. Facbrications to the contrary are bilge.
 
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