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Top US military officer calls pastor over film

Intrade, located in Ireland, does not give a **** about who wins or loses. They have no side and no sympathy. You make your bets based on the analysis of the situation - that's all.

If you're confident, then I would pout a bunch of money on Romney with those odds of almost 3 to 1.


Arbo said:
Liberals like to lose their money?
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Of course, technically you are right. No argument.

In NV, as you know, you can mow down a pedestrian if they aren't in a crosswalk. But would you? Should you? I'm guessing that you slam on your brakes and come to a screeching halt whenever you see a chance of this happening.

Being right isn't always right.


Thrilla said:
the "art value" is in the eye of the beholder..

i mean, a movie that is inflammatory towards Islam is not art.. but a sculpture of Jesus made of feces is?.... art really is in the eye of the beholder.

I haven't seen the movie... but a movie being critical of something is most likely protected speech here in the US ( a death sentence in some of the more backwards countries)

in any event, the movie makers ,IMO, are blameless... the responsibility for the violence and death lies squarely on the shoulders of those whom perpetrated the acts... not ISlam, not the movie, not the great satan.. the asshats who did it.
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Yes, mission accomplished. But it was the innocent that paid the ultimate price.

Risky Thicket said:
I believe the film achieved more than the producer ever dreamed possible, but the results were indeed his intent. Some fools live to be offended. They are easily manipulated by other fools.
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Cephus said:
And what happens the next time a bunch of these idiots get pissed off over their primitive beliefs? It's just going to be different people out murdering the innocent.
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Define "these idiots".
 
Risky Thicket said:
Define "these idiots".
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Muslims who can't get it through their thick delusional heads that they don't get to run wild and kill people because the world doesn't cater to their ridiculous beliefs.
 
Cephus said:
Muslims who can't get it through their thick delusional heads that they don't get to run wild and kill people because the world doesn't cater to their ridiculous beliefs.
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So it was Muslims who attacked the consulates and embassies and the reason for their actions were their religious beliefs? And you have the facts on this?
 
Risky Thicket said:
So it was Muslims who attacked the consulates and embassies and the reason for their actions were their religious beliefs? And you have the facts on this?
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yes indeed. So far it looks like the organized assault on the Libya consulate was pulled off by a group known as Ansar al Sharia (which translates to "supporters of sharia" or "partisans of sharia"). in much of the rest of the area, the crowds that are mobbing the embassies are doing so because they are angry about a video which in their mind has committed atrocious heresy.
 
specklebang said:
Intrade, located in Ireland, does not give a **** about who wins or loses. They have no side and no sympathy. You make your bets based on the analysis of the situation - that's all.

If you're confident, then I would pout a bunch of money on Romney with those odds of almost 3 to 1.
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Missed the joke eh?

BTW, neither of these two clowns is going to win with 3 to 1 odds, anyone that believes either is capable of that is not living on planet earth.
 
specklebang said:
Intrade, located in Ireland, does not give a **** about who wins or loses. They have no side and no sympathy. You make your bets based on the analysis of the situation - that's all.

If you're confident, then I would pout a bunch of money on Romney with those odds of almost 3 to 1.
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If they are based in Ireland that would explain a lot. I'll get a piece of that action.
 
specklebang said:
Yes, mission accomplished. But it was the innocent that paid the ultimate price.
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Actually many millions of people have paid the ultimate price to have freedom of speech, thought and expression.

Those areas of the world where free speech and free expression is not available tend to be third world and backward. We can include any islamic country among these also rans.
 
I believe that American freedom of speech has cost some lives already, and will cost additional lives as a result of this film. Defending freedom of speech with regard to this film is worth it.

Islamists must not get the impression that we agree with them in any manner on the matter of free speech somehow being subject to "religious feelings".

I believe that public television should air the film trailer. Prior to airing it, they should state "Due to recent violence in the Middle East and elsewhere, we are showing this clip. We are doing this to assert that Americans will not be intimidated by threat of violence into curbing freedom of expression. We utterly disagree with the content of the film, but consider freedom of expression to be of vastly greater importance".

The general should have called the pastor, informed him that he is a complete and total ass. And then informed him that despite that, the military stands completely ready to defend his freedom of speech. And then released the transcript of his statement.
 
Apparently, I did (and do) miss the joke.

I'm sorry to say that one of the clowns will win. The circus will continue. It looks like Clown Obama will give us 4 more years of ????
Arbo said:
Missed the joke eh?

BTW, neither of these two clowns is going to win with 3 to 1 odds, anyone that believes either is capable of that is not living on planet earth.
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I think they are based out of the USA for legal reasons (guessing). They seem well established and if you look at their history, the smart money bets seem to be correct about 100% of the time. 4 more years of Obusha coming soon to a country near you.


Grant said:
If they are based in Ireland that would explain a lot. I'll get a piece of that action.
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You are correct. But this time seems to be an unusually poor investment of our "free speech rights". That's just my personal opinion and I could be wrong.


Grant said:
Actually many millions of people have paid the ultimate price to have freedom of speech, thought and expression.

Those areas of the world where free speech and free expression is not available tend to be third world and backward. We can include any islamic country among these also rans.
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Harshaw said:
Top US military officer calls pastor over film | News by Country | Reuters



This is of absolutely no concern to the US military, or even the US government.

The concern of the US military and and the US government is to make it possible for people to have the freedom to do these kinds things, no matter how distasteful they may be.

So, the job of the government, and of the military, is to say, outwardly, to these people who are offended, "yeah? Freedom's a bitch, and we defend her."
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Excuse me while I go down to my local theater and yell "Fire" and then go home and download some child porn. Aren't our military great! They protect our rights!
 
Dezaad said:
The general should have called the pastor, informed him that he is a complete and total ass. And then informed him that despite that, the military stands completely ready to defend his freedom of speech. And then released the transcript of his statement.
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Why is it the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff's place to do anything remotely like this? Everyone understands the second part, and that's all anyone needs to know, so the third part is just grandstanding for no apparent reason.

That you suggest he should do this runs completely counter to the beginning of your post:

I believe that American freedom of speech has cost some lives already, and will cost additional lives as a result of this film. Defending freedom of speech with regard to this film is worth it.

Islamists must not get the impression that we agree with them in any manner on the matter of free speech somehow being subject to "religious feelings".

I believe that public television should air the film trailer. Prior to airing it, they should state "Due to recent violence in the Middle East and elsewhere, we are showing this clip. We are doing this to assert that Americans will not be intimidated by threat of violence into curbing freedom of expression. We utterly disagree with the content of the film, but consider freedom of expression to be of vastly greater importance".
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And I also don't think anyone needs to broadcast it for any reason. There does not need to be a national statement about this video.
 
iguanaman said:
Excuse me while I go down to my local theater and yell "Fire" and then go home and download some child porn. Aren't our military great! They protect our rights!
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This is an idiotic non-response to the post.
 
iguanaman said:
You don't like child porn? It harms children just like that film you want so much to protect.
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From Mark Steyn


Halfway through his ordeal, Mr Levant observed that one day the Danish cartoons crisis would be seen as a more critical event than the attacks of September 11th 2001. Not, obviously, in terms of the comparative death tolls, but in what each revealed about the state of western civilization in the 21st century.

After the slaughter of 9/11, the civilized world fought back, hit hard, went on the attack, rolled up the Afghan terrorist camps, toppled the Taliban. In the battle cry of a soon forgotten man called Todd Beamer, “Let’s roll!”

After the Danish cartoons, we weaseled and equivocated and appeased and apologized, and signaled that we were willing to trade core western values for a quiet life. Let’s roll over! It’s a lot less effort.
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Krhazy said:
Nobody is "trumping" anyone's rights. In what way has this person's rights been infringed? You don't have a right to not be ridiculed for your life decisions or choice of expression. The government isn't threatening this man or forcibly compelling him to do anything, only asking him to think about the consequences of his actions. People here are completing blowing this out of proportion.

The government clearly cannot prohibit the exercise of speech. But the constitution does not prohibit the government from challenging the views of others, expressing its own, or requesting that people act in certain ways for the good of others.
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You said that freedom of speech does not absolve someone of the obligation to act responsibly. So, my question, addressed to you, stands.
 
Grant said:
From Mark Steyn
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Yes, from what I gather, iguanaman would rather give up on free speech than have it cause any trouble.
 
Harshaw said:
Yes, from what I gather, iguanaman would rather give up on free speech than have it cause any trouble.
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I'd hate to anything dampen that traditional American spirit. Those would silence themselves and others should be convinced to respond otherwise. It's time to stand together.
 
Grant said:
I'd hate to anything dampen that traditional American spirit. Those would silence themselves and others should be convinced to respond otherwise. It's time to stand together.
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More than that, if you betray your own principle in the face of an angry mob, the angry mob is only going to get bolder.
 
Harshaw said:
More than that, if you betray your own principle in the face of an angry mob, the angry mob is only going to get bolder.
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And that's just what happened.

We should know by now that appeasement never works but it seems the temptation to appease is just too great.
 
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