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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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Dittohead not! said:
Would destroying the Vatican "shine the light of truth" on Catholicism? If that happened, would Catholics quit believing in their religion?
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Perhaps Catholics would see that their god is just as much a fable.

Destroying Mecca would convince a lot of Muslims that the people doing the destruction were pure evil. Moreover, they would be right.
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Nonsense. The rock that fell from the sky is in a very big circle. Think of it as an aim point.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
What you see and reality are two different things.
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I think we shall have to agree to disagree. You see petty crime and will not see reality. I see that Islam is waging a war to dominate and subjugate the West. We have no common ground.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Perhaps Catholics would see that their god is just as much a fable.
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and perhaps they would be saddened and angered that anyone would commit such a barbaric act.

Misterveritis said:
Nonsense. The rock that fell from the sky is in a very big circle. Think of it as an aim point.
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Rock that fell from the sky? What are you going to do, send an asteroid to strike Mecca to make the Muslims believe that their god is false because he couldn't protect it?

That makes no sense at all.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
and perhaps they would be saddened and angered that anyone would commit such a barbaric act.[
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Do you see any difference between destroying a city and destroying a meteorite worshipped by the locals?
Rock that fell from the sky? What are you going to do, send an asteroid to strike Mecca to make the Muslims believe that their god is false because he couldn't protect it?
That makes no sense at all.
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The Kaaba is what I believe bears destruction.
After Ibrahim had built the Kaaba, an angel brought to him the Black Stone, a celestial stone that, according to tradition, had fallen from Heaven on the nearby hill Abu Qubays.[30] According to a saying attributed to Muhammad, the Black Stone had "descended from Paradise whiter than milk but the sins of the sons of Adam had made it black".[31] The Black Stone is believed to be the only remnant of the original structure made by Ibrahim.[/quote]
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It sounds like a meteorite to me.​
 
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Misterveritis said:
Do you see any difference between destroying a city and destroying a meteorite worshipped by the locals?

The Kaaba is what I believe bears destruction.
After Ibrahim had built the Kaaba, an angel brought to him the Black Stone, a celestial stone that, according to tradition, had fallen from Heaven on the nearby hill Abu Qubays.[30] According to a saying attributed to Muhammad, the Black Stone had "descended from Paradise whiter than milk but the sins of the sons of Adam had made it black".[31] The Black Stone is believed to be the only remnant of the original structure made by Ibrahim.​
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It sounds like a meteorite to me.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it does sound like a meteorite.

So, what does that have to do with destroying Mecca? Did you think Mecca was a meteorite?​
 
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Dittohead not! said:
There is no war with Islam. There is no war at all, really. There are a few criminals who don't like the west, but they're really no different from the violent gangs we have in our inner cities.
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Tell that to the innocent Yemeni families being decimated by US drone attacks. Not everyone who dislikes the West are criminals, very far from it. They hate the West often, not always, because they've been given good reason to.
 
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Andalublue said:
Tell that to the innocent Yemeni families being decimated by US drone attacks. Not everyone who dislikes the West are criminals, very far from it. They hate the West often, not always, because they've been given good reason to.
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Then again there couldn't possibly be a good reason to terrorism could there?
 
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Apocalypse said:
Then again there couldn't possibly be a good reason to terrorism could there?
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No, there couldn't, whether terrorism from fundamentalist Moslems or state-conducted terrorism using hi-tech armaments.
 
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Andalublue said:
No, there couldn't, whether terrorism from fundamentalist Moslems or state-conducted terrorism using hi-tech armaments.
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Glad we've made it to the conclusion that the Islamic terrorists have no justification for their actions, even if we make the ridiculous assumption that the US drone attacks were targeting civilians.
 
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Apocalypse said:
even if we make the ridiculous assumption that the US drone attacks were targeting civilians.
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It's not about who they target, but about who they kill.
 
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mac said:
That was a function of available weaponry, not intent.
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You are very wrong on that score be bombed Dresden Munich and Tokyo civilian populations were bombed deliberately. In fact the bombing of Tokyo was much more devestaing than the bombing of Hiroshima or Nagisaki, with almost double the total casualties of either. The strategic bombing campaigns of WW2 deliberately sought to bomb civilian populations in order to demorilize and break the will of the people supporting the German and Japanese war machines.
 
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Andalublue said:
It's not about who they target, but about who they kill.
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Terrorism does not describe an action itself but an intention followed by that action.
 
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Misterveritis said:
I disagree. It was total war because we chose to fight it as total war. We have chosen to fight limited wars ever since then.
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Well, you have the right to your opinion. Perhaps if you understood the facts, you'd have a different opinion.

I do agree that we are much better at fighting the limited wars we engage in. I cannot tell if we have the fortitude to wage a total war.
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If we felt a threat on par with Nazi domination of the world, we would, I gaurantee it.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
You are very wrong on that score be bombed Dresden Munich and Tokyo civilian populations were bombed deliberately.
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You misunderstand. The intent was to destroy the ability to make war, not to decimate the civilian population. Had we had the weaponry we have now, we wouldn't have needed to take such drastic actions.

In fact the bombing of Tokyo was much more devestaing than the bombing of Hiroshima or Nagisaki, with almost double the total casualties of either. The strategic bombing campaigns of WW2 deliberately sought to bomb civilian populations in order to demorilize and break the will of the people supporting the German and Japanese war machines.
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Incorrect. The intent was to destroy the industrial capability of the enemy.
 
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Andalublue said:
It's not about who they target, but about who they kill.
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Yemen has always been in turmoil.. Its just worse over the past decade. Every crackpot terrorist faction has representation in Yemen. The AQ remnant is in the south.. They have been joined by Al Shaabab from Somalia.. There are also Communists, Royalists, Warlords and Al Houthis. Their oil business has been sabotaged. 500 factorie have closed. The people are starving and the place is awash in guns. Lawlessness rules outside of Sana'a.

They are driving the Saudis nuts trying to cross the border into Asir with weapons and bomb makers. Saudi has invested billions in Yemen in small industry (jobs) education, food aid and gasoline to no avail.

Sometimes, I wonder..if a country can just go to pieces and chaos rules, is that a strategy for getting foreign aid from the US and others. My cynicism tells me that they don't want peace and prosperity or progress as much as we want it for them.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Personally, I like them. I prefer forced conversions to killings. The rest of your questions were mere piffle.
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I see, just disregard the parallels inconvenient to your position. There are extemists in every group, religion, and ideology. Painting the entire group in the color of it's extremists paints you the same color.
 
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Grant said:
Whew~!

The Americans killed 1.4 million Iraqis?

I don't like to get picky but do you have anything to support this remarkable claim of yours?
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Actually the research is yours to complete - its actually not a difficult task

HINT:
The same two analysts who detemined the number of dead civilians that resulted from Milosovic's actions were used to determine the number of civilian deaths in Iraq at the hands of the invading US forces from 2003 to 2008.

The USA apparently accepted the evidence in Milosovic's trial at the International Criminal court in the Hague which resulted in his conviction. But couldnt quite stomach the truth when the same analysis was conducted in Iraq by the same analysts using an even larger sample size.

The USA prefered to rely on US defence force estimates on the civilian death toll (between 60,000 to 130,000 civilian deaths)

You are welcome to accept the estimates given by the killers themselves or look elsewhere for more accurate estimates.

Good luck with your research project
 
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sharon said:
Thought you might be interested in knowing that Media for Christ which broadcasts all over the ME is where the anti-muslim film was made and that is affiliated with Jihad Watch.. So you have mixed business initiatives and a non profit charity controlled by David Horowitz, Pam Geller, Robert Spenser, Steve Klein and Morris Sadek.

Media for Christ calls itself Evangelical Christian media.
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Oh please....Here we go with the dishonest grouping, and contortion of looking for anything possible to make this seem like it is some giant conservative conspiracy....You don't further discussion when you make such leaps.
 
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Apocalypse said:
Terrorism does not describe an action itself but an intention followed by that action.
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No, terrorism describes the effect of an action on a population. The effect is the key, not the intention. A population can be terrorised by unintended consequences of intentional actions. Those launching drone attacks cannot guarantee the safety of civilians therefore in launching them they accept that civilian casualties will be the consequence. The civilian population is thereby terrorised. What part of this isn't terrorism?
 
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Klown said:
Actually the research is yours to complete - its actually not a difficult task

HINT:
The same two analysts who detemined the number of dead civilians that resulted from Milosovic's actions were used to determine the number of civilian deaths in Iraq at the hands of the invading US forces from 2003 to 2008.

The USA apparently accepted the evidence in Milosovic's trial at the International Criminal court in the Hague which resulted in his conviction. But couldnt quite stomach the truth when the same analysis was conducted in Iraq by the same analysts using an even larger sample size.

The USA prefered to rely on US defence force estimates on the civilian death toll (between 60,000 to 130,000 civilian deaths)

You are welcome to accept the estimates given by the killers themselves or look elsewhere for more accurate estimates.

Good luck with your research project
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Just a hint. When you make the claim, it is up to YOU to provide evidence, and methodology to back that claim up....Otherwise, it fails.
 
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j-mac said:
Just a hint. When you make the claim, it is up to YOU to provide evidence, and methodology to back that claim up....Otherwise, it fails.
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Normally I would I agree with you in a formal peer reviewed academic setting.

In here however, I avoid spoon feeding the trout!

You will have to verify the accuracy of my post for yourself if you feel it's important enough for you.

If the deaths of civilians at the hands of the US military machine is not that crucial to your moral disposition, then perhaps you can ignore the above sentences and move on
 
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Andalublue said:
No, terrorism describes the effect of an action on a population. The effect is the key, not the intention. A population can be terrorised by unintended consequences of intentional actions. Those launching drone attacks cannot guarantee the safety of civilians therefore in launching them they accept that civilian casualties will be the consequence. The civilian population is thereby terrorised. What part of this isn't terrorism?
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No group should get a pass on attacks against the US. What you fail to get is that response to what should be correctly considered acts of war should not go unanswered.
 
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j-mac said:
No group should get a pass on attacks against the US. What you fail to get is that response to what should be correctly considered acts of war should not go unanswered.
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Who's getting a pass? If you haven't noticed, we've been in conflict with Al Qaeda for some time now, and will continue to be for the forseeable future.
 
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j-mac said:
No group should get a pass on attacks against the US. What you fail to get is that response to what should be correctly considered acts of war should not go unanswered.
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Well, that's a judgement for you to make, you're American, I'm not. Isn't it slightly ironic that you refuse to make formal declarations of war for your wars, yet still behave as if they were, suspending normal behaviour. Then, when convenient, you'll categorise enemy combatants as terrorists because no state of war technically exists. And you act all surprised when people don't view you as a positive force for good in the world.
 
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Klown said:
Normally I would I agree with you in a formal peer reviewed academic setting.
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Translation: I don't have to back up my own outrageous, unprovable claims.

In here however, I avoid spoon feeding the trout!
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Intentional insult will not serve you well in life. You should learn that.

You will have to verify the accuracy of my post for yourself if you feel it's important enough for you.
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No, considering the path you are headed down, with baseless claim, then insult whomever questions your baseless claim, I will chalk it up to general liberal jack assery.

If the deaths of civilians at the hands of the US military machine is not that crucial to your moral disposition, then perhaps you can ignore the above sentences and move on
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Ah, another Translation: Don't delve too deeply into what I say, or the propaganda I spew, just accept it and move on....Bull ****! You should either learn that DP is a place where discussion is a step above the usual other name calling, baiting, troll sites, or maybe you'd be happier there.
 
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