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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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mac said:
It was total war because we lacked absolute weaponry superiority. As a result, we had to throw everything we had into it. Nowadays, we have absolute weapon superiority...which is why we've lost less people in over ten years, in two wars, then allied forces lost in Normandy.
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I disagree. It was total war because we chose to fight it as total war. We have chosen to fight limited wars ever since then.
I do agree that we are much better at fighting the limited wars we engage in. I cannot tell if we have the fortitude to wage a total war.
 
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mac said:
Guy pokes tiger, tiger mauls guy. Who's fault is it, the tiger's or the guy's?
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Definitely the guy who poked the tiger.

Do you know anything about sedition in wartime?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Can you imagine the shock in a billion people's hearts when they realize their god is a mere fable?

We need only destroy the holy places of Mecca.
We will lose the long term war to Islam if we do nothing. Look at the numbers of people who post attitudes of surrender so we do not offend Muslims. No. We need a dramatic gesture.

What idea do you put forward for us to consider?
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For **** sake, I do not think bombing Mecca would be anywhere near sane. You say, "Can you imagine the shock in a billion people's hearts when they realize their god is a mere fable". This is disgusting. This would be suicide. We would have the entire world against us. I don't want to see the downfall of the United States.
 
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zstep18 said:
For **** sake, I do not think bombing Mecca would be anywhere near sane. You say, "Can you imagine the shock in a billion people's hearts when they realize their god is a mere fable". This is disgusting. This would be suicide. We would have the entire world against us. I don't want to see the downfall of the United States.
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You are already seeing it.

Why is shining the light of truth on a barbaric people disgusting? Why do you think it would be suicide? How would most Muslims respond?
 
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Misterveritis said:
You are already seeing it.

Why is shining the light of truth on a barbaric people disgusting? Why do you think it would be suicide? How would most Muslims respond?
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How do you know they are barbaric? Have you always lived in Alabama?
 
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Misterveritis said:
You are already seeing it.

Why is shining the light of truth on a barbaric people disgusting? Why do you think it would be suicide? How would most Muslims respond?
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Because I don't see an entire billion people as barbaric. You're trying to tell me what is barbaric, and you're advocating bombing Mecca. Okay.
 
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sharon said:
How do you know they are barbaric? Have you always lived in Alabama?
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Why no. This is just the last place I have moved to. But I do plan on staying here.

Where have I lived? Hmm.
Washington, California, Colorado, Texas, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Hawaii, Germany (about a decade total).
Where have I visited? This is far tougher.
I have been through nearly all of the states west of the Mississippi River. Alaska, Washington D.C., Delaware, Maine, Georgia, North and South Carolina, plus France, England, Austria, Switzerland...South Korea, Thailand, Japan, Okinawa, Wake Island, Johnston Island...
Memory fades.
 
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zstep18 said:
Because I don't see an entire billion people as barbaric. You're trying to tell me what is barbaric, and you're advocating bombing Mecca. Okay.
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Islam is a barbaric religion.

Do you see getting their attention as barbaric?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Islam is a barbaric religion.

Do you see getting their attention as barbaric?
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I see bombing Mecca as completely barbaric, yes.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Islam is a barbaric religion.

Do you see getting their attention as barbaric?
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Americans have been set up at a time when many countries in the ME are struggling to come into modernity and develop the skills for civic participation.

Media for Christ filmed the vulgar propaganda film.. They bounce signals all over the ME.. Steve Klein and Morris Sadek are involved in what they call a non profit evangelical charity which raises money from their work. They are also affiliated with David Horowitz and Robert Spenser of Jihad Watch.

Their mission should be clear.. Shame on them for calling themselves evangelicals.
 
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zstep18 said:
I see bombing Mecca as completely barbaric, yes.
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I agree.. It is barbaric, but the vast majority of Americans are NOT barbarians.
 
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zstep18 said:
I see bombing Mecca as completely barbaric, yes.
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Why? The holy Islamic site is not much more than a meteorite in a box. Do you object to destroying meteorites?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Islam is a barbaric religion.

Do you see getting their attention as barbaric?
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Correction: I see bombing Mecca as barbaric, AND anyone who supports bombing or nuking Mecca as barbaric.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Why? The holy Islamic site is not much more than a meteorite in a box. Do you object to destroying meteorites?
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I think you like being "controversial" :roll:
 
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zstep18 said:
Correction: I see bombing Mecca as barbaric, AND anyone who supports bombing or nuking Mecca as barbaric.
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Now tell me why. Tell me why destroying a piece of rock in a box is a big deal other than as a means to get the attention of a very large number of barbaric people.
 
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zstep18 said:
I think you like being "controversial" :roll:
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Do you agree or disagree that the destruction of the holy site in Mecca would focus attention?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Now tell me why. Tell me why destroying a piece of rock in a box is a big deal other than as a means to get the attention of a very large number of barbaric people.
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Would it be alright if someone were to destroy the holy sites of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Do you agree or disagree that the destruction of the holy site in Mecca would focus attention?
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If you mean focus attention on you... yes.

Turning the entire world against you is what it would do.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Your last first. We already have a war with Islam. They have been waging it against the west for a very long time. Now it is time for us to reciprocate.

For each bad behavior we take another holy site.
We would have to rid ourselves of the Muslims in the West.
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There is no war with Islam. There is no war at all, really. There are a few criminals who don't like the west, but they're really no different from the violent gangs we have in our inner cities.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
There is no war with Islam. There is no war at all, really. There are a few criminals who don't like the west, but they're really no different from the violent gangs we have in our inner cities.
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zstep18 said:
Would it be alright if someone were to destroy the holy sites of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc?
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Does it solve a problem? If so I am certain each place would be on the table.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
If you mean focus attention on you... yes.

Turning the entire world against you is what it would do.
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Destroying the holy sites in Mecca is a bit like unraveling Hope and Change. At first it is hard to believe that anyone could believe the lies. Then comes disillusionment. And finally comes victory.

Who cares if they are against us? How is that any different than what we see today?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
There is no war with Islam. There is no war at all, really. There are a few criminals who don't like the west, but they're really no different from the violent gangs we have in our inner cities.
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And that is why you fail. Even though Islam has waged war against us for a very long time we have not waged war back.

We shall have to agree to disagree. You see petty crime. I see war.
 
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Misterveritis said:
You are already seeing it.

Why is shining the light of truth on a barbaric people disgusting? Why do you think it would be suicide? How would most Muslims respond?
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Would destroying the Vatican "shine the light of truth" on Catholicism? If that happened, would Catholics quit believing in their religion?

Destroying Mecca would convince a lot of Muslims that the people doing the destruction were pure evil. Moreover, they would be right.
 
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Misterveritis said:
And that is why you fail. Even though Islam has waged war against us for a very long time we have not waged war back.

We shall have to agree to disagree. You see petty crime. I see war.
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What you see and reality are two different things.
 
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