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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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.... are you serious, here?

Suicide has been studied in Palestine.. Its a result of occupation and despair.

Think about it.. Jesus lived his whole life under Roman occupation.
 
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Suicide has been studied in Palestine.. Its a result of occupation and despair.

Suicide bombings are not limited to Palestine, nor are they even most prevalent there.
 
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Absolutely. However, you need to read the rest to understand what I was saying. I could be wrong but I think many of the people carrying out those attacks feel like they don't have any options left so why not do something for the glory of god.

....no. There are too many jihadi's out there with too many options for that. Though you might enjoy (it's a bit dated) Frantz Fannon's The Wretched of the Earth, on the topic of terrorism in Algeria. His explanation was similar, thought distinct from yours here - arguing that the terrorist relieved himself of an anger-driven inferiority complex through his actions; resolving cognitive dissonance. He's a filthy little turncoat sympathizer, Fannon is, but his work should be required reading (imo) for anyone who wants to study terrorism in general and Islamist ventures into it in particular. In addition you may want to try Dying to Win: the Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism by Robert Pape, which discusses suicide bombing from the realist perspective.

The short answer is that while suicide bombing is not directly tied to any one particular religion or inherently tied to religion, it can be. Sort of like how some people join the Army because they are patriots and some join the Army for the educational opportunities, and neither negates the presence of the other.

I think all religions are bad and can lead people to do absurd things.

:) that's unfortunate, as it cuts you off from much that is best about humanity. Religion has driven us to do some of our best deeds.

I just think the reason there are suicide bombers is more complicated than they're Muslims.

that is correct.
 
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Well I wasn't in a Mosque.....but I was in and around The El Rukns Temple in Chicago back in the 70's and 80's. But what would it matter if I was or wasnt. If your religious leader is inciting people to violence over the religion and it is suppose to be a religion of peace. Then he is a fake leader and he needs to be removed immediately from that Spot.

Can't have it both ways.....saying I am a man of God. But I will have my flock committ acts of violence on innocent people who have nothing to do with any affront he is talking about.

There is little point in comparing Muslims to Christians. It's another world from another century.

This would be unacceptable behaviour to any Christian yet these attacks are defended, downgraded or explained away by Muslims and their groupies.
 
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It looks like Islamistan is at war with the United States. It is time to call out the big guns. We should destroy Mecca. Completely.

That's an option that should certainly be put on the table for the next time anything like this occurs. But first all foreign aid must stop.
 
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How do you know that suicide bombings are related to religion?

By their admissions? By hollering Allah Ackbar?

How much of that is driven by desparation instead of religion could be much greater than you realize. I don't know which it is the religion or the desparation. I do know desparate people do desparate things and suicide bombing is a desparate act. Labeling Islam as a gutter religion seems like a generalization to me. How many free muslims have you lived with?

Desperate? Desperate for what? If they weren't Muslims it might be less likely that they'd be desperate. Desperate people do not go out and murder innocent people but insane people do.

All religions are silly to me therefore I know little about the history of any of the religions. However, I do know western societies owe quite a bit to that part of the world. At least that's what I was taught in western civ class.

You took a western civ class but know little about the history of any religions? That's contemporary western education system in a nutshell.
 
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It looks like Islamistan is at war with the United States. It is time to call out the big guns. We should destroy Mecca. Completely.

Who is "we"?

The United States must be doing something wrong in the world.

The US flag is the most burnt on the planet

Can you think of anything that the USA could be doing in the world that is upsetting people so much?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

That's an option that should certainly be put on the table for the next time anything like this occurs. But first all foreign aid must stop.

What about the 1.4 million dead Iraqi civilians?

What should the Iraqis do to the USA to avenge their slaughter?
 
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What about the 1.4 million dead Iraqi civilians?

1.4 million? :lol:

What should the Iraqis do to the USA to avenge their slaughter?

go after AQI who killed them?
 
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What about the 1.4 million dead Iraqi civilians?

Most of those were murdered by their fellow Muslims. They are capable of hating and murdering anyone, even schoolgirls.
What should the Iraqis do to the USA to avenge their slaughter?

Turn on their fellow Muslims? That's what they usually do.
 
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What about the 1.4 million dead Iraqi civilians?

What should the Iraqis do to the USA to avenge their slaughter?

I dunno. What did they do when they were slaughtered/tortured by their own government?
 
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1.4 million? :lol:

Most of those were murdered by their fellow Muslims.


I told you guys. It's from that journal which published the vaccine article. It was paid for by Soros, conducted by a Saddam henchman (he sold food-for-oil and blamed the infant starvation on sanctions in publications), took surveys on a few street corners and counted everything except old age. It was a few years ago, and thoroughly discredited soon after being published.
 
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What do you think is the connection between rioters in the Middle East and terrorists throughout the world?

They're all movie critics?

No, they're instigated by terrorists.. If you take EVERY rioter in EVERY country it still doesn't amount to anything but the smallest fraction of a percentage of Muslims.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

There are grave lessons to be learnt from this episode.
 
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Before I was mad. Now I'm pissed.






Good on the Libyan government for not trying to either quietly ignore or appease these thugs. Looking at you, Egypt.

.....but what about the 1.4 million Iraqi civilian deaths at the hands of the USA?

God has a habit of treatingn all murderers and thugs in a very similar way, irrespective of the color of their skin, religion, or nationality

You may have a lot of explaining to do - although I hear that Beelzebub tends to ignore excuses and just turns the thermostat up on the boilers
 
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.....but what about the 1.4 million Iraqi civilian deaths at the hands of the USA?

they are imaginary :).

God has a habit of treatingn all murderers and thugs in a very similar way, irrespective of the color of their skin, religion, or nationality

yup. He offers us forgiveness. :)
 
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There are grave lessons to be learnt from this episode.

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Shall we Prioritize them? :2razz:
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I told you guys. It's from that journal which published the vaccine article. It was paid for by Soros, conducted by a Saddam henchman (he sold food-for-oil and blamed the infant starvation on sanctions in publications), took surveys on a few street corners and counted everything except old age. It was a few years ago, and thoroughly discredited soon after being published.

You are being very naughty with the truth aren't you?

The analyses on additional deaths in Iraq, was carried out by the same two researchers that determined the a number of deaths Milosovic was responsible for.

They conducted an identical analyses in Iraq.

Incidentally the USA conveniently accepted the Analyses and it's concussions in the trial of Milosovic at the international criminal court.

But they just could not stomach the same 1.4 million civilian death figure when it came to US war crimes and atrocities.

Apparently the USA prefers its own defense force estimates of the death toll (between 60,000 and 130,000 deaths)

How many deaths occurred on 9/11 again?
 
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they are imaginary :).



yup. He offers us forgiveness. :)

I didn't realize God was a male?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:9

I didn't realize God was a male?

:shrug: it is traditional to refer to Him as such. when He came to Earth that is the form He assumed.
 
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I dunno. What did they do when they were slaughtered/tortured by their own government?

You mean when the USA was supporting the fascist dictatorial regime with financial aid, diplomatic assistance and intelligence?

I am not sure
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Sometimes one can tell someone is an idiot just by their responses.

Have Christians been murdering people all over the world during the last 50 years? Have Christian parents been encouraging their children to strap on suicide vests and go into markets, or buses? Have Christians been firing rockets every day across the border at civilians?

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:9

:shrug: it is traditional to refer to Him as such. when He came to Earth that is the form He assumed.
Really?

Is the "Him" also a white male?

Are you sure about these racist, mysogenistic, patriarchial traditions?

They do sound a little fundamentalist, fanatical and terrorist in nature.

Do you always apply these traditions to the atrocities perpetrated by your fascist state in your name?
 
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yup.

Is the "Him" also a white male?

God is not really a "him" inasmuch as gender is a limitation. when He came to Earth, he came as a Jewish Male.
 
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