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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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sharon said:
I think most wouldn't.. Some might picket.. but there is always an element that gets ramped up.
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"Ramped up" does not equal to rioting and murder. That is what occurred no more, no less.
 
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MMC said:
Now you know why the Berbers are not going to accept any Sunni overlords dictating anything to them. Despite Gadhafi being gone. The Sunni could never Conquer the Berbers. A least not without the help of the Others and a Modern Day world.
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Libya is a large country with a small population that mostly hugs the coast line.. I really don't know much about the Berbers.. There must be pockets of them left, but I thought that most were now mixed blood people.. Arab/Berber.

I think Libya is about 95% Sunni Muslim with some Sufi influence.
 
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Connery said:
"Ramped up" does not equal to rioting and murder. That is what occurred no more, no less.
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Well I got caught in a Shia riot with my family once.. Ramped up is a soft word for mass hysteria.. but I wasn't in Benghazi so I don't know to what extent they were ramped up.
 
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Mya said:
Unfortunately and realistically it's a mayor and increasingly dominant, influential and powerful element.

All this talk about this ridiculous film is besides the point.

The point is the barbaric and unjustified violence from the fanatic Islamists who as a vote of thanks to the US for freeing them from what they considered hated and oppressive dictators, attack and murder US citizens.

That is the point.
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The three hundred or so that were protesting the film in Benghazi should not necessarily be considered barbarians. According to the hospital, it was protestors who rushed Amb Stevens and another man with a gunshot to his leg to the hospital.
 
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sharon said:
The three hundred or so that were protesting the film in Benghazi should not necessarily be considered barbarians. According to the hospital, it was protestors who rushed Amb Stevens and another man with a gunshot to his leg to the hospital.
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Oh? that's interesting .... so first they kill him.... and then they take him to the hospital!

I don't understand that way of thinking.... do you?
 
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sharon said:
Libya is a large country with a small population that mostly hugs the coast line.. I really don't know much about the Berbers.. There must be pockets of them left, but I thought that most were now mixed blood people.. Arab/Berber.

I think Libya is about 95% Sunni Muslim with some Sufi influence.
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Just from the Basic Wikipedia.....

Berbers (Berber: ⵉⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⴻⵏ Imazighen / Imaziɣen) are the indigenous ethnic group of North Africa west of the Nile Valley. They are continuously distributed from the Atlantic to the Siwa oasis, in Egypt, and from the Mediterranean to the Niger River. Historically they spoke the Berber language and local varieties of it, which together form the "Berber branch" of the Afro-Asiatic language family. Today, varieties of Maghrebi colloquial Arabic are spoken by a large portion of Berbers besides the Berber language itself. Foreign languages like French and Spanish, inherited from European occupation, are used by some educated Berbers in Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria in some formal contexts such as higher education or business.

Today, most Berber-speaking people live in Morocco and Algeria. Smaller Berber-speaking populations are scattered throughout Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Mali and Niger, as well as large migrant communities living in Europe.[1][2]

The presence of the Arabic language and dialects is due to the spread of Islam and to the immigration of some Arab tribes to the region centuries ago. A Berber person is not necessarily only someone who happens to speak Berber. The Berber identity is usually wider than language and ethnicity, and encompasses the entire history and geography of North Africa. Berbers are not a homogeneous ethnic group and they encompass a range of phenotypes, cultures and ancestries. The unifying forces for the Berber people could be their Berber language, belonging to the Berber homeland, or a collective identification with the Berber heritage and history.

Linguistically speaking, there are some 25 to 35 million Berber-language speakers in North Africa.[citation needed]

Many Berbers call themselves some variant of the word imazighen (singular: Amazigh), possibly meaning "free people" or "free and noble men"[1]. The word has probably an ancient parallel in the Roman and Greek names for some of the Berbers, "Mazices".
 
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sharon said:
Well I got caught in a Shia riot with my family once.. Ramped up is a soft word for mass hysteria.. but I wasn't in Benghazi so I don't know to what extent they were ramped up.
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"Ramped up" seems to be spontaneous reaction, here however, "timed to coincide with the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, the killing of the American ambassador to Libya, John Christopher Stevens and three others , in a furious attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi by heavily armed assailants does not seem to bear the fingerprints of a “spontaneous” assault."
 
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sharon said:
The three hundred or so that were protesting the film in Benghazi should not necessarily be considered barbarians. According to the hospital, it was protestors who rushed Amb Stevens and another man with a gunshot to his leg to the hospital.
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How could you say that, they all were part of an illegal activity that resulted in murder.
 
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sharon said:
The three hundred or so that were protesting the film in Benghazi should not necessarily be considered barbarians. According to the hospital, it was protestors who rushed Amb Stevens and another man with a gunshot to his leg to the hospital.
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I have yet to see any evidence that this had anything to do with a movie and photographs show that protesters were not rushing the Ambassor to the hospital.
 
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Do you think the President is politically taking it up the ass from his "freedom fighter" friends in that region?
 
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Connery said:
How could you say that, they all were part of an illegal activity that resulted in murder.
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The reports I heard was that the protest over the movie was noisy but not violent.. until the shooting started.. and that the protesters were shaken by it.

Protesting an offensive film is not really an illegal activity.
 
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joko104 said:
I have yet to see any evidence that this had anything to do with a movie and photographs show that protesters were not rushing the Ambassor to the hospital.
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They carried him out of the building and to a car. He was found on the floor in dense smoke.
 
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joko104 said:
I have yet to see any evidence that this had anything to do with a movie and photographs show that protesters were not rushing the Ambassor to the hospital.
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It did not, but, even if it did the only thing these people can have a valid complaint about is they did not get any popcorn with the movie. These people used that nonsensical movie as a very poor smoke screen for their hateful and murderous ways.
 
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sharon said:
The reports I heard was that the protest over the movie was noisy but not violent.. until the shooting started.. and that the protesters were shaken by it.

Protesting an offensive film is not really an illegal activity.
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No, you are right, protesting is not an illegal activity.

Murdering 4 human beings in American territory, an Embassy is American territory, that is criminal sharon.


just to add... more than criminal .... its a declaration of war.
 
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Klown said:
Of course the attack on the embassy is wrong and wont acheive anything except perpetuate more violence

But for someone in the USA to moralise and condemn this event, after ignoring or even supporting the imperialist US militarism all around the world that has resulted millions of deaths, is nothing short of delusional and hypocritical.

And to use your terminology, is US foreign policy and militarism "radical fundamentalism"?

Or perhaps you cant see the crimes that are carried out in your name?

I suppose I would be confused as well in that scenario!
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why are you trying to justify the murders a bunch of idiot radical muslims perpetuated. Someone should be able to make movies about their prophet having sex with camels and that would not justify ANY Violence and those who did become violent should be exterminated for being violent criminals. NO Christians rioted and killed people when some artist put a crucifix in urine. No anglican priest shot Ian Anderson when he sang songs like "MY GOD" which lambastes "the bloody church of england in chains on history"

Jews have been smeared in movies for years-it goes back to plays with "Shylock" the greedy Jew. They aren't killing people

THe sad fact is-its a sizable number of Muslims that go bonkers when their prophet is smeared =or in many cases-depicted truthfully and there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for that sort of idiocy
 
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Mya said:
No, you are right, protesting is not an illegal activity.

Murdering 4 human beings in American territory, an Embassy is American territory, that is criminal sharon.


just to add... more than criminal .... its a declaration of war.
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true, a gunship should have come on that scene and opened up on those jihadists with a mini gun (picture the helicopter strafing runs against the somalias on the rooftops in Black Hawk Down
 
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sharon said:
The reports I heard was that the protest over the movie was noisy but not violent.. until the shooting started.. and that the protesters were shaken by it.
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Yep that how it happens someone does something violent, until then there is nothing violent.

Protesting an offensive film is not really an illegal activity
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I agree, unless it involves the activities of rioting and killing. Even then being a film critic is not a crime in and of itself, this breaks things down to a common denominator; we have all disliked something an image, a message, a depiction in film and a civilized society welcomes discordant comments, but, not riots and killing because the reviews are bad.
 
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Connery said:
Yep that how it happens someone does something violent, until then there is nothing violent.

I agree, unless it involves the activities of rioting and killing. Even then being a film critic is not a crime in and of itself, this breaks things down to a common denominator; we have all disliked something an image, a message, a depiction in film and a civilized society welcomes discordant comments, but, not riots and killing because the reviews are bad.
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Are you assuming that all the protesters were part of this AQ cell?
 
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sharon said:
Are you assuming that all the protesters were part of this AQ cell?
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I am stating that those who rioted are complicit in mayhem and the murderous activities that took place.
 
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Connery said:
I am stating that those who rioted are complicit in mayhem and the murderous activities that took place.
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Were they? I don't think they were armed. The authorities seem to think that the gunmen numbered about 20 and were from an AQ cell located southeast of Tripoli. So far they have arrested 4.
 
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sharon said:
Were they? I don't think they were armed. The authorities seem to think that the gunmen numbered about 20 and were from an AQ cell located southeast of Tripoli. So far they have arrested 4.
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No need to be armed to have been "complicit" def..."Associated with or participating in a questionable act or a crime". The questionable act or crime here is the rioting, mayhem and murder.

definition of complicit
 
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Connery said:
No need to be armed to have been "complicit" def..."Associated with or participating in a questionable act or a crime". The questionable act or crime here is the rioting, mayhem and murder.

definition of complicit
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Why are you insulting me? I know perfectly well what complicit means.
 
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sharon said:
Why are you insulting me? I know perfectly well what complicit means.
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I was not insulting you. I was using a "term of art", as such I used a citation to validate my use of the term.
 
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cpwill said:
Our Ambassadors' body was apparently carried through the streets, a'la Mogadishu.
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