Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:

Ah, yes, Carmel by the sea, how could I forget that one? Well, obviously, we need to elect Dirty Har... I mean Clint Eastwood to the white house.

Click to expand...

Why not? He served as Mayor for 2-3 terms in Cali so he must've been doing something right to get re-elected so many times.

'I'd vote for him before I vote for Bozo Brim again.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Jetboogieman said:

Or maybe these assholes should stop being sensitive.

Honestly, there is no way to defend...

"This film maker offended me, let's go kill people who had nothing to do with it".

I don't care if you're a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Bhuddist... Jedi. There is never an excuse for this crap.

Click to expand...

Correct, and. . .

If a man living somewhere in Dumpwater, MS or Trailertown, KT decided one day to put a sticker on his front window that read "Christ sucks! Churches are violent! Free your mind and become a Muslim. Allah is great!", which of the following would result

a) Nothing. Anyone walking by his house would laud him for having the courage to speak his mind.

b) Nothing, though locals walking by his house would be offended, but would nevertheless respect his right to free speech.

c) People would knock on his door and tell him to remove the sticker, out of courtesy to other residents, or risk the consequences.

d) His house would be shot up with guns and/or firebombed the next (or same) day.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

4Horsemen said:

Josey Wales was dead on point. Obama duped millions into voting for him.

Click to expand...

The millions are not fools if Obama wins a second term of office.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Grant said:

They could have 500 Islamic thugs attacking and the wide edge would still be with the 50 marines. And as their history shows these guys tend to attack women and those who are unarmed. Put them up against real men and they run like the jackals they are.

Click to expand...

The situation in Afghanistan tells a different story.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You guys that are blaming the movie maker, shouldn't you be blaming the man who translated the movie into arabic and posted it on You Tube?

The movie maker did it in English, I assume, I haven't seen it.

The flash point came when it was seen in arabic on You Tube, supposed flash point anyway.

Shouldn't the translater take full responsibility?

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Grant said:

(their sense of the environment ranks as high as most other countries)

Click to expand...

:lol: :lol: lol: :lol: :lol: HAHHAHAHHHAAA AHAHHAHHAAA!

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:

Ah, yes, Carmel by the sea, how could I forget that one? Well, obviously, we need to elect Dirty Har... I mean Clint Eastwood to the white house.

Click to expand...

Right about now.....anything would be better than Obama and All My Children!!!!! :2razz:

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

RDS said:

The millions are not fools if Obama wins a second term of office.

Click to expand...

They damn sure ain't smart either...

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Mason66 said:

You guys that are blaming the movie maker, shouldn't you be blaming the man who translated the movie into arabic and posted it on You Tube?

The movie maker did it in English, I assume, I haven't seen it.

The flash point came when it was seen in arabic on You Tube, supposed flash point anyway.

Shouldn't the translater take full responsibility?

Click to expand...

Actually the flashpoint came when the sensitive Muslims acted out in ignorance. but oh this is the "Religion of Peace"

Muslims that sympthize with those monsters need to GTFOH!

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Gardener said:

No, it is a matter of degree and prevalence.To speak out only in one direction while ignoring that which is magnitudes more prevalent (and sanctioned) in the other is the height of hypocrisy. It may be motivated by the desire to avoid the appearance of racism, but is racist in and of itself, because of the enormous double standards.

Having consistent standards is not "doing the opposite" of the politically correct so much as it is avoiding the mindless dogmatism that demands the double standards. I am neither Christian nor Jew, so I am not motivated by a sense of group identity. I simply get fed up with all the b.s. by those who have simply predetermined they must toss out nothing but apologia whenever the discussion centers around the behavior of Islamists.

Click to expand...

Many people don't seem to expect much from Muslims, certainly not as much as they expect from other religious groups. They reckon that the craziness of Muslims is inevitable and we shouldn't say anything which would adversely effect these overly sensitive and mentally disturbed people.

These people are responding to their own fears, much as they did when Ronald Reagan referred to the Soviet Union as "The Evil Empire". They felt then as they do now, out of fear, that the obvious should not be spoken out loud.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

RDS said:

The millions are not fools if Obama wins a second term of office.

Click to expand...

Fools? Perhaps not. But the wiring in their brains would have to be malfunctioning somehow. This is not an unknown phenomenon, and Obama and his people are probably quite aware of it.

Making losers feel like winners is a familiar concept in Las Vegas and elsewhere because it influences that part of the brain which defines happiness on terms not related to reality. It's a concept that has been studied for over 100 years, and quite familiar to the Communists and Nazis, and most likely the Fascists as well.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Mason66 said:

You guys that are blaming the movie maker, shouldn't you be blaming the man who translated the movie into arabic and posted it on You Tube?

The movie maker did it in English, I assume, I haven't seen it.

The flash point came when it was seen in arabic on You Tube, supposed flash point anyway.

Shouldn't the translater take full responsibility?

Click to expand...

Those who committed the crime, as well as those who aided and abetted, should be charged with the full responsibility.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

4Horsemen said:

Why not? He served as Mayor for 2-3 terms in Cali so he must've been doing something right to get re-elected so many times.

'I'd vote for him before I vote for Bozo Brim again.

Click to expand...

President Harry! Go ahead, Iran, make my day.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

MMC said:

Right about now.....anything would be better than Obama and All My Children!!!!! :2razz:

Click to expand...

and yet the Republicans came up with several who would have been much worse. President Cain? Bachmann? Perry? Holy crap, we'd have been missing Obama in a week. At least they did have the wit to pick the one sane candidate among all of them. Whether he can get elected remains to be seen, not being "conservative" enough and all, but at least he is a viable candidate.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Grant said:

Those who committed the crime, as well as those who aided and abetted, should be charged with the full responsibility.

Click to expand...

You can't charge someone who was merely exercising a right.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

rocket88 said:

It's because to them, a film has the imprimatur of the government. Mostly because all the movies there are like that. In that mindset, this is the USA insulting their religion. It's easy for us to say, "Well, some asshole made a dumb movie, but he has a right to his point of view" because that's what it's like here. Anybody with a video camera can make any movie they want to here. There, the government clamps down on you if you do anything that's not their view of reality.

Meanwhile the patent hypocrisy of the "whatever is politically correct, I do the opposite" crowd is on full view here. It always gets turned into how persecuted Christians and Jews are, and fomenting a "holy war" because you don't like their "holy war."

Click to expand...

No it isn't. it would be unfair to assume that these people are not intelligent. They understand full well the PCness of our society (as ridiculous as it is) and will use any excuse to do as they please including kill Americans. Using the movie as an excuse will cause us to collectively sit back and contemplate the error of OUR ways, as if ever more sensitivity on our side would have made any difference. It wouldn't have. These are radical nutjobs and there is only one way to stop them. Given that they are not afraid to die (at least individually) we need to find a way to reach the reasoning part of their brains. I would suggest that we don't target those who commited the act as much as we make it clear that this kind of action will lead to the the eradication of their blood line. In other words, identify the perpetrators (I'm sure there is video surviellance) and destroy the village where they came from with extreme prejudice. the lesson is that you can attack America if you like, but it will cause the destruction of everything and everyone you know. You can not cure their type of sickness, and we ought not play their manipulative games. The message to the Lybian government should be that they have 24 hours to turn over those responsible or they will be held responsible for harboring them. Empty the consulate (since they clearly intended to destroy it anyway) and start there. That would be the first target. Level it. Turn it to glass. No more aid to the country. And if we still don't get the bad guys delivered, the next round expands that perimeter until there is nothing left of the country. This is not a reasonable group that can be dealt with, it is a cancer on humanity and needs to be UNAPOLOGETICALLY eliminated. I don't have a problem with Muslims, only the dangerous nut job Muslims. And if the rest of them can not reign in their own than they are harboring them and will be collateral damage in our efforts for self preservation. This has gone on long enough, it's time to end it.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Ikari said:

You can't charge someone who was merely exercising a right.

Click to expand...

It depends where that right was occurring, perhaps, and whether the consequences were intended and deliberate..

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:

and yet the Republicans came up with several who would have been much worse. President Cain? Bachmann? Perry? Holy crap, we'd have been missing Obama in a week. At least they did have the wit to pick the one sane candidate among all of them. Whether he can get elected remains to be seen, not being "conservative" enough and all, but at least he is a viable candidate.

Click to expand...

How could any of them have been worse than Obama?

Rather than ad hominem attacks, why not specify where Obama's policies have proved superior to the other candidates you mentioned, or indeed any other American.

BHO has enjoyed no success in any area. If you are satisfied with failure then it really doesn't matter who is President.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Grant said:

How could any of them have been worse than Obama?

Rather than ad hominem attacks, why not specify where Obama's policies have proved superior to the other candidates you mentioned, or indeed any other American.

BHO has enjoyed no success in any area. If you are satisfied with failure then it really doesn't matter who is President.

Click to expand...

First, I didn't attack or insult you, so made no "ad hominem" attacks.

Secondly, I did state an opinion that the names I mentioned would have been worse than Obama. That is just an opinion, you understand, and without being able to actually elect one of the clow.. I mean candidates that I've named, there is no way to prove or disprove it.

Thirdly, there is little difference in the policies of Obama vs those of his predecessor.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

4Horsemen said:

Why not? He served as Mayor for 2-3 terms in Cali so he must've been doing something right to get re-elected so many times.

'I'd vote for him before I vote for Bozo Brim again.

Click to expand...

Being mayor of a small town for a few years qualifies one to be President? Seriously?

You'd vote for anyone over Obama, no matter what he did. You made up your mind the minute he was elected that you weren't voting for him in '12 either. Stop pretending like his policies have made any difference.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Grant said:

Those who committed the crime, as well as those who aided and abetted, should be charged with the full responsibility.

Click to expand...

I know that. My question was for the people that are blaming the film makers for this planned 9/11 attack.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:

First, I didn't attack or insult you, so made no "ad hominem" attacks.

Secondly, I did state an opinion that the names I mentioned would have been worse than Obama. That is just an opinion, you understand, and without being able to actually elect one of the clow.. I mean candidates that I've named, there is no way to prove or disprove it.

Thirdly, there is little difference in the policies of Obama vs those of his predecessor.

Click to expand...

Well.....Except for the Increased Spending, expansion of government into individual's rights and tossing aside the Constitution.....except for when needed and then tossed. I can agree with you. As there is no difference between Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs. Save one.....Who's gonna be in charge.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

rocket88 said:

Being mayor of a small town for a few years qualifies one to be President? Seriously?

You'd vote for anyone over Obama, no matter what he did. You made up your mind the minute he was elected that you weren't voting for him in '12 either. Stop pretending like his policies have made any difference.

Click to expand...

Please don't act like Obama had any experience in his life to qualify him to be President before he was elected.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

tech30528 said:

No it isn't. it would be unfair to assume that these people are not intelligent. They understand full well the PCness of our society (as ridiculous as it is) and will use any excuse to do as they please including kill Americans. Using the movie as an excuse will cause us to collectively sit back and contemplate the error of OUR ways, as if ever more sensitivity on our side would have made any difference. It wouldn't have. These are radical nutjobs and there is only one way to stop them. Given that they are not afraid to die (at least individually) we need to find a way to reach the reasoning part of their brains. I would suggest that we don't target those who commited the act as much as we make it clear that this kind of action will lead to the the eradication of their blood line. In other words, identify the perpetrators (I'm sure there is video surviellance) and destroy the village where they came from with extreme prejudice. the lesson is that you can attack America if you like, but it will cause the destruction of everything and everyone you know. You can not cure their type of sickness, and we ought not play their manipulative games. The message to the Lybian government should be that they have 24 hours to turn over those responsible or they will be held responsible for harboring them. Empty the consulate (since they clearly intended to destroy it anyway) and start there. That would be the first target. Level it. Turn it to glass. No more aid to the country. And if we still don't get the bad guys delivered, the next round expands that perimeter until there is nothing left of the country. This is not a reasonable group that can be dealt with, it is a cancer on humanity and needs to be UNAPOLOGETICALLY eliminated. I don't have a problem with Muslims, only the dangerous nut job Muslims. And if the rest of them can not reign in their own than they are harboring them and will be collateral damage in our efforts for self preservation. This has gone on long enough, it's time to end it.

Click to expand...

No, it really is that they don't get the kinds of freedoms we have, just like we can't comprehend not having them. We can't comprehend violence like this because it simply isn't what it's like here. It's like as a straight guy, I don't get what's appealing about penises. It's just not my experience.

I'm not saying that we owe all sorts of apologies to everyone, but they simply don't understand our freedoms because they've never had them. The violence is a result of that being the way things have always been settled there. You're not going to change thousands of years in 6 months.

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Mason66 said:

Please don't act like Obama had any experience in his life to qualify him to be President before he was elected.

Click to expand...

I'm not saying he did, but replacing one unqualified man with another doesn't make either of them qualified. To hear the same crowd who crowed about how unqualified Obama was now say Eastwood is qualified...why? Because he's a Republican?