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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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Das Sozialist said:
He did say something, about 10-12 hours ago, I believe.
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Good to hear, but incidental to the point I was making regarding specific terminology.
 
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PeteEU said:
While I agree that those who did all this mess should be punished.... those that started the whole mess should also.... shouting fire in a packed theatre and then starting the fire is illegal.
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This is a horrible thing to say. We need defenders, not appeasers.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Been linked several times. This was very likely Al Qaeda. Retaliating for the killing of one of their big guys in Libya a few months back, and possibly avenging Bin Laden. We are at war with them ......... except six months ago when we took out Qaddaffi for them.
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We had nothing to do with how he died. We supplied them PERIOD. What they do with their weapons and how they treat their own is their issue, not ours. And now they have killed people who are completely innocent. Killed just because they are Americans. Absolutely disgusting that anyone could make this comparison.
 
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sharon said:
The people who were killed were NOT disrespecting anyone.. or anyone's religion and never would.. They are victims of Bacile and Morris Sadek.
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So, a bunch of radical Muslim's kill our ambassador, and it's the Jew's fault!

And they wonder where people get the idea that Antisemitism is on the rise!

Say, I wonder what would happen if someone put together an amateurish movie that insulted Christians in a crude way. Would anyone even take notice or care? But then we don't have to wonder because Hollywood does it all the time.

So, you see, there is the difference. One group is civilized and the other is not. The fault lies with those who immediately resort to violence when they feel insulted.
 
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SovereignElecto said:
Not sure, I wasn't there but I sure don't always buy the slanted media reports that are agenda driven

did you know the CIA has agents working in all major media outlets and cause stories to be slanted based on political and hidden agendas? This means people like you could fall victim to buying into the attackers being something they are not. They could have been paid mercenaries for all we know (you know like camel riding Blackwater types dressed up as blood-crazed Islamic Fundamentalists)
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Yeah, you might be right~!

I'll bet a lot of people never thought of that angle.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
What could we have done anyway? They were armed criminals in the city/country, not the government.
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Be better prepared. It was within the realm of possibly that something like this could take place on the anniversary of 9/11. The US should have anticipated and planned for it.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
What could we have done anyway? They were armed criminals in the city/country, not the government.
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Yeah sure, and where were their police when these nuts were gathering outside the embassies?
 
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What jihadists want you to believe about Libya - CNN.com

What the Jihadis want you to believe about Libya.

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The attack apparently occurred because in recent days, the al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri posted a video online calling on Libyans to avenge the killing of al-Qaeda's second in command, Abu Yahya al-Libi.

According to our own sources at Quilliam Foundation, the attack was the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault. It is rare, for example, that an RPG7 -- an anti-tank rocket-propelled grenade launcher -- would be present at a civilian protest.
 
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How convenient that it happened on 9-11 too. I really don't think this had anything to do with any stupid movie.
 
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ChrisL said:
Yeah sure, and where were their police when these nuts were gathering outside the embassies?
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That issue has been raised and answered in one of my earlier posts and the Libyan government admits they were not prepared for this.
 
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ChrisL said:
We had nothing to do with how he died. We supplied them PERIOD. What they do with their weapons and how they treat their own is their issue, not ours. And now they have killed people who are completely innocent. Killed just because they are Americans. Absolutely disgusting that anyone could make this comparison.
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Then wake up. We absolutely supported Qaddaffi's ouster, supporting several factions, one of which was Al Qaeda Libya. We bombed Qaddaffi forces so that Al Qeada in Libya forces could advance and take ground.

It was well-debated here at the time. Documented. Now we reap what we sowed.

What is disgusting is you not knowing what happened, or what would result.
 
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Mycroft said:
So...what's Obama going to do about one of his Ambassadors being murdered?

My guess is...nothing.

This IS an election year, after all.
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He is too busy fundraising. The call to evening prayer is the sweetest sound. The call of idiots' money is even sweeter.
 
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Connery said:
That issue has been raised and answered in one of my earlier posts and the Libyan government admits they were not prepared for this.
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Thanks! Obviously, I missed that.
 
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PeteEU said:
I agree but there is also no excuse to making this movie.

For the love of all that is holy... in the clip on Youtube they portray Mohamed as a liar, homosexual, paedophile, greedy and bloodthristy.

They KNEW what the reaction would be.. anyone with half a brain would know that.. hence they knew that people would get killed by making this film.

I condemn the actions of the moron scum in Libya and Egypt with every breath I have.. there is NO PLACE for reactions like this... protest yes, but violent protests.. HELL NO!... , but I can not just sit by and let that American-Israeli jihadist scum get off scot free for what he and his followers have done.
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Have you become an apologist for Islamic terrorists now Pete?
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Then wake up. We absolutely supported Qaddaffi's ouster, supporting several factions, one of which was Al Qaeda Libya. We bombed Qaddaffi forces so that Al Qeada in Libya forces could advance and take ground.

It was well-debated here at the time. Documented. Now we reap what we sowed.

What is disgusting is you not knowing what happened, or what would result.
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What is disgusting is you blaming us for the actions of others. Nobody said they had to kill him like they did. They did that because THAT is the way they do things over there.
 
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ChrisL said:
Thanks! Obviously, I missed that.
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Here you go....

"By midday Wednesday, no one had been arrested for the violence or the deaths, and officials in Tripoli were scrambling to implement a response to what they admitted was a monumental security breach.

Libya's new government has struggled to impose its authority on a myriad of gangs and former rebel brigades that remain armed and act outside the law. New security officials have had mixed success in implementing a plan whereby former rebels would be disbanded from their old brigades and given jobs as part of the new national army, defense forces and border guards.

One witness to the consulate attack Tuesday night said that a handful of Libyan soldiers dressed in the uniform of the new national army were on patrol outside the U.S. diplomatic structure when the mob arrived, but that they were almost immediately overwhelmed."

U.S. Ambassador to Libya Is Killed - WSJ.com
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
I think we have two distinct antagonistic issues at play here. Both worrisome, but they should not be confused.

1) First is the basic protests, where folks took to the streets to blame the US for the film that disparaged Islam. Most troublesome to me is that the media in Egypt had been airing news about the film of late, announcing the organized protest, etc. for a week ahead of time. This indicates the politicians (The Muslim Brotherhood) deliberately stoking anti-American hostilities. My understanding was that in Libya, the media was not as provocative.

The above got no one hurt though.

2) The attack on the embassy appears to be a deliberate retaliatory assault by Al Qaeda affiliated militia. Timed to use the cover of the protest as much as possible, but otherwise having little to do with it. The retaliation would seem to be either the killing of the #2 Al Qaeda in Libya a few months ago, and possibly to avenge Bin Laden.
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It seems we spend a lot of time guessing at Islamic motives, trying to discover a possible explanation, no matter how far fetched, to explain why they would behave the way they do.

Was it a movie? Revenge for Bin Laden? The 9/11 anniversary? Was it spontaneous? Was the government sincere when they condemned it?

Maybe they just hate us and want to intimidate us. That seems the likeliest explanation and it seems to be working well.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Then wake up. We absolutely supported Qaddaffi's ouster, supporting several factions, one of which was Al Qaeda Libya. We bombed Qaddaffi forces so that Al Qeada in Libya forces could advance and take ground.

It was well-debated here at the time. Documented. Now we reap what we sowed.

What is disgusting is you not knowing what happened, or what would result.
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And the saddest thing is the way they dragged the body of Ambassador Stevens after he was murdered .... exactly like they did to Gaddafi.

It's nothing short of barbaric!
 
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Connery said:
Be better prepared. It was within the realm of possibly that something like this could take place on the anniversary of 9/11. The US should have anticipated and planned for it.
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Right, but what could we have done? Deployed U.S. troops at every embassy in the World and stay on high-alert for 24 hours?

ChrisL said:
Yeah sure, and where were their police when these nuts were gathering outside the embassies?
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The Libyan government could've done something if they had a military force, but I was questioning what we could have done.
 
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Grant said:
It seems we spend a lot of time guessing at Islamic motives, trying to discover a possible explanation, no matter how far fetched, to explain why they would behave the way they do.

Was it a movie? Revenge for Bin Laden? The 9/11 anniversary? Was it spontaneous? Was the government sincere when they condemned it?

Maybe they just hate us and want to intimidate us. That seems the likeliest explanation and it seems to be working well.
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I think we're pissed off more than anything! Or at least I am.
 
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No word from Morsi in Egypt. Now with them knowing it was planned. The Libyans have admitted. They have no police force nor an army. That they didnt even have troops in and around Benghazi. That the Berber tribes and their Militias dominate that region of Libya.

No matter any spin. It was the Anniversary of 911. 2 of our Embassies were hit and it has happened on Obama's watch. Because why? Because the White house Administration is in Campaign Mode. Obama was touting his Foreign policy. Now the truth is out. Egypt has become a failure in our policy. Libya is a complete failure. He has trouble with Israel a which has put a strain on relations. He is still dropping drones in Yemen, Somolia, and Pakistan. Plus don't forget we back the French's and Brits play with Gbagbo in the Ivory Coast. While he sent in Advisors to go after Kony

This does not include all the Green on blue attacks in Afghanistan by the people we are training.

As the Alleged President of Libya's own words show the way. They have no control over that part of the Country. Not hard to consider since that is controlled by the Berber Tribes.
Yeah some of the same ones that Gadhafi belonged to. Which I doubt they will bow to the MB and the Sunni that was transposed in Libya.

Breaking new: Right now its 2 am in Egypt and they are still protesting down around the Square. Egyptian military has fired tear gas to disperse the crowds. CNN and Reuters is just picking it up.
 
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Connery said:
That issue has been raised and answered in one of my earlier posts and the Libyan government admits they were not prepared for this.
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They claim they were not prepared for it, which is an explanation not to be taken at face value.
 
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sharon said:
The people who were killed were NOT disrespecting anyone.. or anyone's religion and never would.. They are victims of Bacile and Morris Sadek.
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Who killed T.M.? Who do you hold responsible?
 
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