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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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MSgt said:
Maybe she is exercising a bit of common sense and intelligence? Go to a ghetto and scream "nigger!" If you wind up dead, nobody will exonerate you of responsibility for causing your own death. Provocation, masked as freedom of speech, is ignorant.
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Perhaps the day the black community stands up and demands no more violence over such a pathetic excuse their community might begin to thrive. This kind of lame ass excuse tends to be toxic. Sure...lets kill unknown innocent individuals because your feelings were hurt about something someone else completely said. Oh...and hey...lets excuse and justify murder for any other reason and cause...cuz...THAT will help elevate our society out of the ****ing stone age.
 
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Andalublue said:
You turning in an anti-semite? Can't you tell the difference between Jewish and Israeli?
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I believe it is the other way around in that you don't see the difference between Jews and Israel. You hate Israel....for what reason? Did this nation do something to you? No. Yet you choose, out of al the countries on earth, to have this seething negativity towards the single nation composed almost entirely of Jews. You are the obvious anti-semite and you try to mask it by trying to isolate it to a nation...that has done absolutely nothing to you.

If you actually cared to look beyond your simple bigotry, you wuold see that Israel is the single location in the Middle east where Muslims of all tribes are free to worship as they wish without persecution. Arab is a national language. Street signs are written in Arabic. The Israeli government holds Muslim representation. Find that in any Muslim government. But you dislike...Israel? Must be the Jew in it.
 
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sharon said:
There are several websites by Islamic scholars. Choose the one you prefer.
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So now I have to find a decent source for you? No thanks, your sourcing tells me all I need to know.

The Absolutist/blogspot

hahahahaha
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Agreed.

It was just that a certain poster decided that they were the "freedom loving patriot" at the top of their turd mountain, and that a few of us were something less.

How ironic, back when Obama decided we needed to join the rebels to oust Qhaddaffi, that is was pointed out "Hey Barack. Those rebels have a substantial Al Qaeda contingent". It was discussed here in this forum a-plenty.

Well, we can say "hello" to our new friends !!
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Yes, this was inevitable, pre-known, nor are we better off than before in relation to Egypt and if Obama gets his way he'll do this in relation to Syria too.
 
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MMC said:
Is that why Netanyahu made the speech he did? Sure don't sound like a Liege Lord calling to his vassals. Sounds more like a leader that is saying. Hey, Sanctions, Diplomacy isnt working. What else ya gots? Because even your own sources are reporting the same thing as our and that of 2 other western countries.
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Who sounds like the vassal in this scenario?
Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu has warned Barack Obama against chasing what he called a Middle East peace "based on illusions" as he lectured the US president amid a widening rift in US-Israeli ties.
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MSgt said:
I believe it is the other way around in that you don't see the difference between Jews and Israel. You hate Israel....for what reason? Did this nation do something to you? No. Yet you choose, out of al the countries on earth, to have this seething negativity towards the single nation composed almost entirely of Jews. You are the obvious anti-semite and you try to mask it by trying to isolate it to a nation...that has done absolutely nothing to you.
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While Israel isn't nice to everyone, I have exorbitant sympathy for them so cut them a lot of slack, given Jews are still the most threatened, endangered and hated people on earth. However many Americans see Jews as some privileged class so don't grasp that reality.

The luckiest break Jews got is when Protestant Christian reversed its stance, deciding Jews are "God's chosen people" rather than "Murderer of Christ," to back up Jews right to exist amongst the human race. But for that, and that Jews established a TINY home base (Israel) both to escape to and from which to fight back from, Jews would still be hunted down all over the world as they have been for centuries and in many parts of the world still are.

Understanding my Native American ancestry, I understand what they are up against and what happens if they only relied on humanity, laws, treaties and agreements for their survival.
 
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VanceMack said:
Perhaps the day the black community stands up and demands no more violence over such a pathetic excuse their community might begin to thrive. This kind of lame ass excuse tends to be toxic. Sure...lets kill unknown innocent individuals because your feelings were hurt about something someone else completely said. Oh...and hey...lets excuse and justify murder for any other reason and cause...cuz...THAT will help elevate our society out of the ****ing stone age.
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Yet, today you would get your ass kicked. But something tells me that you wouldn't test such a thing because you know such behavior will invite an ass beating. Perhaps burning Qu'rans and making films to ignite rages should be equally viewed as self-destructive. I've been there. Should I have voiced out how stupid Islam is in Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. to the masses as they walked to Mosque just to, you know, exercise my freedom? Or would that just be stupid and inviting of disaster? I have my freedom without inviting death.
 
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I'm "Meh" to it all..

As for the killing of the American Ambassador, well thats the chance he took when he was over in such a hostile environment where the US has had such a dirty hand in so many dealings.

Call it Karma or just retribution but no real loss to me, the US will learn through these killings that they (THE US) cannot play such games without impunity
 
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ecofarm said:
Considering that you believe Israel is manipulating the US and using the US as a "vassal", I think your reaction, as well, is "what's the difference".

How do you differ from radical CT Islamists in this regard?
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Well, I don't think Israel has anything much to do with the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi directly. But what's the difference between me and an Islamist? See my previous Post 415...

Andalublue said:
The group responsible for the grenade attack had made more attacks before the controversy surrounding the film. The film came out some months ago, apparently unnoticed by anyone until it hit YT.

Conclusion? The film is not to blame for this attack, the attackers are. The film is being used an excuse for attacks, it is not the cause.

It's still a pretty crass, inflamatory and discriminatory thing to do, making a film with the direct intention of being provocative and insulting.
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MSgt said:
Yet, today you would get your ass kicked. But something tells me that you wouldn't test such a thing because you know such behavior will invite an ass beating. Perhaps burning Qu'rans and making films to ignite rages should be equally viewed as self-destructive. I've been there. Should I have voiced out how stupid Islam is in Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. to the masses as they walked to Mosque just to, you know, exercise my freedom? Or would that just be stupid and inviting of disaster? I have my freedom without inviting death.
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Well God forbid people should do something that might offend their delicate sensibilities. Yes...lets make sure the message goes out loud and clear...dont anyone do or say anything offensive to them because you will give them justification to kill some total random stranger. Good lord...
 
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Andalublue said:
Who sounds like the vassal in this scenario?
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THAT's your "evidence"? hahaha
 
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Gardener said:
Yeah, cause everybody knows they call Israel the Swedish homeland and all......
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S'okay, I already knew that you can't tell the difference.
 
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Grant said:
Just because you don't go after them doesn't mean that they won't go after you. Isolationism has to work in multiple ways in order to function properly.
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While I understand that, I'm not going to excuse interventionist forever war as an acceptable and proper solution to such a problem.
 
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Ben K. said:
I assume his movie was aimed at troglodyte elements of the far right of which he is a member.

However it is unlikely he foresaw this reaction. Because the movie was out for a year and only became a problem for Libyans and Egyptians when someone translated it into Arabic. Who did I wonder? Probably a troglodyte element of the Islamist movement, just in time for a 9/11 anniversary. Then we have troglodyte leftists trying to defer responsibility from those who actually deserve it - those that organised it (I assume the person who translated the film was part n parcel of this also) and took part in the attacks.
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Some good points but I Disagree with your conclusion.
There are PLENTY of anti-Jewish and anti-Christian videos on youtube made by people of other faiths, including Islam.
Even the Mainstream Arabic Press/Media/TV are Regularly filled with anti-semitca.
Who riots and kills?

Ann Coulter 2-15-06 said:
"..The amazing part of the great Danish cartoon caper isn't that Muslims immediately engage in acts of mob violence when things don't go their way. That is de rigueur for the Religion of Peace. Their immediate response to all bad news is mass violence. That's a "dog bites man" story and belongs on page B-34, next to the grade school hot lunch menu and the birth notices.

After an Egyptian ferry capsized recently, killing hundreds of passengers, a whole braying mob of passengers' relatives staged an organized attack on the company, throwing furniture out the window and burning the building to the ground. Witnesses say it was the most violent ocean liner-related incident since Carnival Cruise Lines fired Kathie Lee Gifford.

The "offense to Islam" ruse is merely an excuse for Muslims to revert to their default mode: rioting and setting things on fire. These people have a serious anger management problem.
So it's not exactly a scoop that Muslims are engaging in violence. A front-page story would be "Offended Muslims Remain Calm."

What is stunning about this spectacle is that their violence is working. With a few exceptions, the media won't show the cartoons that incited mass violence around the globe (..available at this site). And yet, week after week, American patriots endure "The Boondocks" without complaint. Where's the justice here?.'..."
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MSgt said:
Maybe she is exercising a bit of common sense and intelligence? Go to a ghetto and scream "nigger!" If you wind up dead, nobody will exonerate you of responsibility for causing your own death. Provocation, masked as freedom of speech, is ignorant.
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Cartoons cause provocation and violence, movies cause provocation and violence, books cause provocation and violence, advertising causes provocation and violence. The list appears to be endless.

What do you suggest the western world do in order to be sure we never provoke Muslims?
 
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Andalublue said:
It's still a pretty crass, inflamatory and discriminatory thing to do, making a film with the direct intention of being provocative and insulting.
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Oh, please. Here comes that Euro-version of free speech.
 
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joko104 said:
While Israel isn't nice to everyone, I have exorbitant sympathy for them so cut them a lot of slack, given Jews are still the most threatened, endangered and hated people on earth. However many Americans see Jews as some privileged class so don't grasp that reality.
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Christian Rightests.

joko104 said:
The luckiest break Jews got is when Protestant Christian reversed its stance, deciding Jews are "God's chosen people" rather than "Murderer of Christ," to back up Jews right to exist amongst the human race. But for that, and that Jews established a TINY home base (Israel) both to escape to and from which to fight back from, Jews would still be hunted down all over the world as they have been for centuries and in many parts of the world still are.
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The unsung joke here is how Muslims (namely Ottoman Turks) helped create Israel. Muslims had been inviting Jews out of Russia (where they were persecuted before Germans made it a fashion) to live in the Lavent. They sold land to Jews. Eventually the British were dealing with Palestinians and Zionists who were battling over historical rights. Disecting the territory and offerring statehood to both became the only choice the UN could have made without completely upheaving either tribe. Israel accepted statehood. Palestinians did not (though today whine about not having statehood). And it was Muslim leaders from the five invading Muslim nations the day after Israel declared soveriegnty that encouraged Palestinians to move out of the way for the "liberating" Muslim forces that screwed them out of home. Today, these refugees rot in camps in Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon never being offerred citizenship from any of them and forever designated as the UNs longest lasting welfare case.
 
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MSgt said:
I believe it is the other way around in that you don't see the difference between Jews and Israel. You hate Israel....for what reason? Did this nation do something to you? No. Yet you choose, out of al the countries on earth, to have this seething negativity towards the single nation composed almost entirely of Jews. You are the obvious anti-semite and you try to mask it by trying to isolate it to a nation...that has done absolutely nothing to you.

If you actually cared to look beyond your simple bigotry, you wuold see that Israel is the single location in the Middle east where Muslims of all tribes are free to worship as they wish without persecution. Arab is a national language. Street signs are written in Arabic. The Israeli government holds Muslim representation. Find that in any Muslim government. But you dislike...Israel? Must be the Jew in it.
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This is the biggest charge placed on European posters by most American users, on this board, and repeated to ad nauseam. They just cant believe it is possible to be critical of a Countries policy and not hate it's population....
 
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Grant said:
Cartoons cause provocation and violence, movies cause provocation and violence, books cause provocation and violence, advertising causes provocation and violence. The list appears to be endless.

What do you suggest the western world do in order to be sure we never provoke Muslims?
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You know there are thousands and thousands of Americans who have lived and worked all over the Arab world without incident for the past 7 decades.
 
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The U.S. embassy had put out a statement earlier on Tuesday condemning "misguided individuals" who hurt the religious feelings of Muslims or followers of other religions.

"We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others," the U.S. embassy said in its statement.....snip~


Team Obama's first released statement.


Although it was not clear which film prompted the protests, Egypt's prestigious Al-Azhar mosque and seat of Sunni learning condemned on Tuesday a symbolic "trial" of the Prophet organized by a U.S. group including Terry Jones, a Christian pastor who triggered riots in Afghanistan in 2010 by threatening to burn the Koran.....snip~

Egyptians angry at film scale U.S. embassy walls - Yahoo! News


Funny how they haven't given the Name of that SUNNI Cleric that Spoke out and condemmned this Movie that was made last year.
 
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ecofarm said:
Oh, please. Here comes that Euro-version of free speech.
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Or the dumb... American not realizing inflammatory actions will incite such actions by murdering fanatics. Who'd of thought it, hey?

Paul
 
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SovereignElecto said:
I'm "Meh" to it all..

As for the killing of the American Ambassador, well thats the chance he took when he was over in such a hostile environment where the US has had such a dirty hand in so many dealings.

Call it Karma or just retribution but no real loss to me, the US will learn through these killings that they (THE US) cannot play such games without impunity
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So you feel the violence and rioting is justified. Great.
 
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gunner said:
Or the dumb... American not realizing inflammatory actions will incite such actions by murdering fanatics. Who'd of thought it, hey?

Paul
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We do not limit our rights according to the sensitivities of terrorists.
 
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MSgt said:
I believe it is the other way around in that you don't see the difference between Jews and Israel. You hate Israel....for what reason? Did this nation do something to you? No. Yet you choose, out of al the countries on earth, to have this seething negativity towards the single nation composed almost entirely of Jews. You are the obvious anti-semite and you try to mask it by trying to isolate it to a nation...that has done absolutely nothing to you.

If you actually cared to look beyond your simple bigotry, you wuold see that Israel is the single location in the Middle east where Muslims of all tribes are free to worship as they wish without persecution. Arab is a national language. Street signs are written in Arabic. The Israeli government holds Muslim representation. Find that in any Muslim government. But you dislike...Israel? Must be the Jew in it.
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You're projecting onto me what you perceive to be an innate hatred of Israel on the part of Islamist/anti-semitic leftist or extreme rightist ideologies. I don't remotely hate Israel, I rather admire it, I certainly admire the tenacity and resilience of many, if not all, ordinary Israelis who I believe have been badly served by their politicians and religious leaders for a long, long time.

You might like to link to any of my posts where I demonstrate my anti-semitic tendencies. That may take you some time.

My contributions on this thread refer exclusively to the disproportionate and undeniable influence that the Israeli government and its lobby in Washington has over US Middle-eastern policy irrespective of which party holds the White House. Perhaps you think that in holding this view I must therefore inevitably hold views such as the idea that Jews control the media and global capitalism, that Mossad was responsible for 9/11 and that Jews make matzos out of the blood of gentile babies. Sorry to disappoint you.
 
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MMC said:
The U.S. embassy had put out a statement earlier on Tuesday condemning "misguided individuals" who hurt the religious feelings of Muslims or followers of other religions.

"We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others," the U.S. embassy said in its statement.....snip~


Team Obama's first released statement.


Although it was not clear which film prompted the protests, Egypt's prestigious Al-Azhar mosque and seat of Sunni learning condemned on Tuesday a symbolic "trial" of the Prophet organized by a U.S. group including Terry Jones, a Christian pastor who triggered riots in Afghanistan in 2010 by threatening to burn the Koran.....snip~

Egyptians angry at film scale U.S. embassy walls - Yahoo! News


Funny how they haven't given the Name of that SUNNI Cleric that Spoke out and condemmned this Movie that was made last year.
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I don't think Terry Jones had anything to do with it. He certainly has no money for production costs, dubbing and translations or distribution.
 
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