Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Gardener · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
No.. Just ask Bacile to return to Israel..

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Or how about you return to Saudi Arabia?

You are saying things that antagonize people, and so by your own illogic, you should be the one to shut up and move away.

MMC · Sep 12, 2012

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joko104 said:
... and what the governmental authorities did when they learned the protest and then battle was going on. I am waiting to hear the body count of Libyan law enforcement and military in trying to defend the embassy. If it is zero, I count it as an act of war by the Libyan government against the USA.

UNITED NATIONS — Libya’s deputy U.N. ambassador says several Libyan security officers were killed in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi and others were wounded.
Dabbashi told reporters afterwards that there were “maybe less than 10 victims from the security forces.”

He said “some of them were killed at the start of the attack.”.....snip~

Libyan deputy ambassador says several Libyan security officers killed in US consulate attack - The Washington Post

Eighty Deuce · Sep 12, 2012

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MSgt said:
You seem to bepulling in words that don't matter.

Legitimacy has nothing to do with it. Neither does excuses. Neither does law for that matter. But responsibility is responsibility. If you teach your child that he may do anything he wants as long as he doesn't break a law, then you will raise an immoral, heathen prick that will one day invite reaction from others. In this case, the reaction killed others. That's on him and on his wreckless display of his freedoms. It's called taking responsibility for your actions. Like I stated, he is "free" to travel to Libya and face the crowd he safely offended. But he won't...not when there are others that have nothing to do with it than can die for his "freedoms."

And we will tip-toe through life ensuring that we are always PC, and sure to not offend anyone, lest we then be made to face them, and defend our rights solo to a group bound by no obligation to honor my rights.

Nope.

lizzie · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
That's fine and dandy as long as YOU risk nothing.

We always risk something. That is the reason we have a system of laws in place to protect our rights. I don't have a right not to be offended, which should be the case.

When we start conceding our rights to express our differences, and say what we think, out of fear of offending someone who may get violent, then we will find ourselves losing our freedoms. I refuse to bow to someone else's temper tantrum.

Ikari · Sep 12, 2012

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MSgt said:
You seem to be pulling in words that don't matter.

Legitimacy has nothing to do with it. Neither does excuses. Neither does law for that matter. But responsibility is responsibility. If you teach your child that he may do anything he wants as long as he doesn't break a law, then you will raise an immoral, heathen prick that will one day invite reaction from others. In this case, the reaction killed others. That's on him and on his wreckless display of his freedoms. It's called taking responsibility for your actions. Like I stated, he is "free" to travel to Libya and face the crowd he safely offended. But he won't...not when there are others that have nothing to do with it than can die for his "freedoms."

He didn't kill anyone. Others took an irrational response and they are the ones responsible for the violence. You have an interesting take on freedom in which you believe that one who exercises their freedom can be "legitimately" assaulted for having done so. But that's mob rule, not freedom.

Ben K. · Sep 12, 2012

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MSgt said:
It's OK though because this "director" has his personal freedom. It's easy to hate the fanatics in Libya over this. But the only difference between them and this "director" is that they had the conviction to act on their fanaticism. This "director," safe and sound, is a coward.

Well, I refuse to watch the movie or any trailer associated with it precisely because I don´t want to contribute to its escalating Youtube view count on account of this tragedy. The descriptions speak volumes about the the audiovisual puke it would end up being.

But the responsibility for this is those who acted and the guy who translated it originally (the latter because with the timing it is almost certainly someone who directly wanted to incite and organise this attack). There´s plenty of offensive videos on Youtube about Islam (and all sorts of other faiths), you can´t hold their makers responsible for anything except being ignorant twats.

But I posted those quotes from the ambassador himself because it's truly sad to see a man so optimistic about that country's future dying in such a way and imagining what he was thinking at the time. I have little else to say on portioning blame out to people.

MMC · Sep 12, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
What has this attack to do with "US foreign policy?"

CNN has reported that the attacks were planned. How would it not be Foreign Policy?

Eighty Deuce · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
LOLOL.. You think freedom of speech is God given... in which countries?

I should not have to explain this. Do you recognize the below text ?

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Some folks do not deserve the freedom they have. But they still have it !

John.NoseTip · Sep 12, 2012

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MSgt said:
I'm on my side.

My side does not include coward Americans safe at home practicing the rights they didnt earn for themsleves at the expense of those abroad doing the work.

My side does not include religious zealots who appoint themselves as God's executioners on earth.

You see, I've faced these zealots in Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan. I have been to Egypt. I have been to Oman, Kuwait, and the UAE. I can confidently state that our enemy is a civilization. Not the few ("terrorists" as they are labeled) who merely represent them. Those who try to state otherwise are the same sort who pretend that Nazis weren't Germans. That somehow the two were distinctly different just as Islamic extremists are different from the Islamic civilization that breeds and nurtures them.

But I will not abide the idea that a piece of **** in America gets to cause the death of Americans abroad because he feels that he must celebrate the freedoms he didn't earn by insulting and stoking fires needlessly. There have been a plethora of books and articles written on the matter. This had nothing to do with him "blowing the whistle" on a religion. This had everything to do with his personal hatred forced upon the world. In the end, this "director" will refuse his responsibility in this because people like you will allow him off the hook. He was an idiot. He is a fool. And now Americans abroad are dead because of it. They aren't dead because of his rights. He had his rights without his stupid video. Others earned that for him. And now others are dead because of him.

While I agree a guy like the preacher in Florida is a complete jack*** that wanted to promote himself with little regard to the consequences he still earned the right to do so being an American citizen. Every American citizens stands on the shoulders of great people who came before them. Their sacrifices gave every American the right to speak, make films or be a complete jacka**. Those rights aren't reserved for those who are in or who have been in the military.

sharon · Sep 12, 2012

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lizzie said:
We always risk something. That is the reason we have a system of laws in place to protect our rights. I don't have a right not to be offended, which should be the case.

When we start conceding our rights to express our differences, and say what we think, out of fear of offending someone who may get violent, then we will find ourselves losing our freedoms. I refuse to bow to someone else's temper tantrum.

No Lizzie.. you risk nothing....

to promote vile slander doesn't come back to hurt you or Sam Bacile..

Why yap about rights yet fail to comprehend diplomacy, honesty and integrity...

Grant · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
No.. Just ask Bacile to return to Israel..

Bacile is saying that he plans to make this movie into a 200 hour series to expose Islam and help Israel.

And what is your problem with exposing Islam, as he sees it, and helping Israel?

MMC · Sep 12, 2012

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joko104 said:
Or we can wait until we know the location and destroy that location of such Cleric(s) in a 1000 foot radius of total destruction - doing so from Utah. Then just say "oops, sorry" for any residual damage like Reagan did in bombing the French embassy in his attack on Libya also killing Gaddafi's kid after France refused our aircraft refueling in France.

I think the apologize to the French for bombing their embassy in Libya was "sorry, sorry... but maybe if you had let our aircraft refuel in France our pilots wouldn't have been so tired from such a long flight and could have dropped their bombs more precisely."

The USA had no problems with Gaddafi after that attack that killed one of his children and blew up one of his houses. Make it personal. Don't kill the minions, kill the head of the snake and those around him. Kill a few clerics and their mosques who call for war against the USA and Americans. Its called COUNTER TERRORISM. Literally.

I think Petraeus will help make such operations.....more common. Than wasting hardware and tech.

Plus like they say.....It's Never Personal. Strictly buisness!

sharon · Sep 12, 2012

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John.NoseTip said:
While I agree a guy like the preacher in Florida is a complete jack*** that wanted to promote himself with little regard to the consequences he still earned the right to do so being an American citizen. Every American citizens stands on the shoulders of great people who came before them. Their sacrifices gave every American the right to speak, make films or be a complete jacka**. Those rights aren't reserved for those who are in or who have been in the military.

Bacile is NOT an American citizen.

Filmmaker Sam Bacile in hiding after anti-Muslim film sparks violence in which American diplomat was killed | Fox News

sharon · Sep 12, 2012

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Grant said:
And what is your problem with exposing Islam, as he sees it, and helping Israel?

He's not exposing Islam, he's lying about Islam. Even a poorly educated person has more information than that God awful slander.

Would you be outraged if some film maker made a trashy movie about the holocaust, or blood libel or any of that other libelous crud?

lizzie · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
No Lizzie.. you risk nothing....

to promote vile slander doesn't come back to hurt you or Sam Bacile..

Why yap about rights yet fail to comprehend diplomacy, honesty and integrity...

Yes, Sharon. We all risk something every time we say something which could be controversial. We take the risk that someone may be offended enough to go postal on us. That's my point about a system of laws to protect our freedoms. You and I have zero guarantees that we won't be hurt as a result of our saying something offensive, but fortunately, in this country, we have the law on our sides.

MSgt · Sep 12, 2012

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rocket88 said:
Then Christians would have to attack the American embassy as well.

Or we could just get into what the thread is really about: Muslims aren't as good as other religions. Isn't that the point here?

Well, "Islam" isn't as good as other religions. We can state this truth because we can easily compare the civilizations and the cultural impact that core prescriptions have encouraged.

Now, "Muslims" being as good as any other religion's faihtful would be accurate. Religions are full of superstitious morons willing to offend the absurdity of others just to potect their brand of absurdity.

But as for the religions themselves....

Judaism has produced a culture of people who are very intelligent. So intellignet that others have scapegoated them throughout history out of sheer jealousy and as a culprit for their own failures.

Chrisitianity has produced a Western civilization that exploited and built the sciences, pushed the goal of social utopia through historical documents (Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, etc.) that led the world into the new world,....and went to the moon.

Islam.........Islam........... Hmm. A civilization that can't produce a car. Attempts to control society through religion. Social oppression and tribal bigotry. Constant internal strife and slaughter while blaming "foreign devils" for all their problems.

Maybe Judaism and Christianity are better simply because they left the Middle East. Of course, I didn't even hit on the core prescriptions of each religion and why they mistep throughout history through individual leaders or institutions, but Islam is simply not set up for success the way the other two Abrahamic religions were. Thank Mr. Muhammad. Mr. Jesus was clear about his religion, despite the fools along the way. Today's Islamic monsters merely celebrate the words and deeds of Muhammad. Of course, so do the more peaceful, liberal Muslims, but that's the grind. Which is the "good" Muslim?

Grant · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
He's not exposing Islam, he's lying about Islam. Even a poorly educated person has more information than that God awful slander.

Would you be outraged if some film maker made a trashy movie about the holocaust, or blood libel or any of that other libelous crud?

No, i would not be offended, much less kill anyone for this opinion.

Why are you so afraid of Muslims?

apdst · Sep 12, 2012

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rocket88 said:
Then Christians would have to attack the American embassy as well.

Or we could just get into what the thread is really about: Muslims aren't as good as other religions. Isn't that the point here?

That's what you want it to be, so as to creat some fuax outrage concerning racism, or something.

It blows me away how Americans can actually defend these people.

Gardener · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
No Lizzie.. you risk nothing....

to promote vile slander doesn't come back to hurt you or Sam Bacile..

Why yap about rights yet fail to comprehend diplomacy, honesty and integrity...

And those such as yourself who share the Islamist objective to subvert freedom of speech do not deserve that very right to prattle on the way you do.

......but you seem to have it, anyway:roll:

apdst · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
He's not exposing Islam, he's lying about Islam. Even a poorly educated person has more information than that God awful slander.

Would you be outraged if some film maker made a trashy movie about the holocaust, or blood libel or any of that other libelous crud?

People do it all the time. Do we kill Muslims when Armadenijad denies that the Holocaust ever happened?

MMC · Sep 12, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
Maybe the Jihadis don't know about gang banger insults.

Hey, I know! Let's tell them, then bring some of the Islamic nutters here, give them weapons, and let them wipe out the gang bangers!

No, maybe not. That would be like bringing in a family of skunks to get rid of possums living in your cellar.

Perhaps you should look up the suburb of Bridgeview Illinois. The whole Suburb. Thats just one, theres plenty of them around. Do you think they do anything to the gangbangers that they know where they hang out everyday? Do you think they do anything when they spray paint their mosque and write racial slurs all over it? What about their Cleric? Think he directs anyone to go and challenge the bangers? What do you think they do when they see these things happen. Other than call the Police?

Are you familiar with the MA FI A Nation? El Rukns? Ancient Family? These are alleged Muslims that are also Bangers!

Eighty Deuce · Sep 12, 2012

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How many in this thread blame the movie ? Cause that is the liberal mantra "blame the Jews", or "we should know better than to say anything negative about Muhammad".

Read 'em and weep:

[Updated at 12:11 p.m. ET] Tuesday's attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was planned in advance, and the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion, U.S. sources told CNN Wednesday.

The sources could not say whether the attackers instigated the protest or merely took advantage of it. The sources do not believe Ambassador Chris Stevens was specifically targeted.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12...ays/?hpt=hp_t1

The consulate was one of several American diplomatic missions in the Middle East to face protests Tuesday after the release online of a film mocking Islam and depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammed as a child molester, womanizer and ruthless killer.

But a London think tank with strong ties to Libya speculated Wednesday that Stevens was actually the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack.

The attack "came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda's second in command killed a few months ago," the think tank Quilliam said Wednesday.

It was "the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault," the think tank said, noting that rocket-propelled grenade launchers do not normally appear at peaceful protests, and that there were no other protests against the film elsewhere in Libya.

The planned attack came in two waves, one which prompted U.S. officials to leave the consulate for a secure location, and the second directed at the place of retreat, Quilliam said.

The think tank cited unnamed sources on the ground in Benghazi and abroad.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

MSgt · Sep 12, 2012

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Grant said:
And what is your problem with exposing Islam, as he sees it, and helping Israel?

It doesn't help Israel any more than the Tea Party has helped the Republican Party. Fanaticism is fanaticism and it rolls the eyes of most.

apdst · Sep 12, 2012

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RDS said:
You want freedom? Fair enough but you put fellow american lives at risk and you can't negotiate with extremists.

What's wrong? Are you afraid they're going to hate us MORE?

Appeasement doesn't work. History has proven that.

apdst · Sep 12, 2012

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sharon said:
No he wasn't.. That's idiot stuff. I am surprised you don't know any better.

One of his several wives was 7 years old! :rofl

Muhammed slaughtered thousands of people and took all their ****.

Muhammed was a murdering piece of ****.

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