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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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sharon said:
What exactly do you mean? How have you been "fooled"?

A film maker deiberately sets off a firestorm to express his religious beliefs and goes into hiding while Americans are being killed..

And you want to do a petty routine on Obama?
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Familiarize yourself with the thread and you'll see what its all about.
 
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sharon said:
He should go home and exercise his "freedom of speech" in Israel.
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Yeah! Hell with that 1st Amendment ****!
 
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joko104 said:
Why is it that you want anyone you don't like to be exposed to assasination by hate mongers?
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No American attached to that Embassy would insult Islam or the Prophet EVER.. They are smart, educated and they are AMERICANS.
 
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apdst said:
Yeah! Hell with that 1st Amendment ****!
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Doesn't Bacile have freedom of speech in his country?
 
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sharon said:
He should go home and exercise his "freedom of speech" in Israel.
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Wow, your slogan is essentially "Jewish troublemaker go home where Jews belong!"

Very revealing of yourself.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Absolutely.
This was a violent criminal act, and the people responsible are the violent criminals who carried out the attack, not someone who made a movie.

At least the US and Libya are both on the same side in condemning the attack and swearing to bring the perpetrators to justice.

Countdown until this becomes a presidential campaign issue, 9, 8, 7 .....
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Yes, we shouldn't allow US foreign policy to become a political issue during an election campaign.
 
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Ikari said:
You seem to want to do a petty routine on the film maker. The people at fault, the people 100% at fault, are those who decided to act aggressively and take violent actions.
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Yes. But these attacks were not spontaneous. In two countries, Egypt and Libya, on 9-11. There is no possible way that security folks in both countries did not know of the planning. They knew that sovereign soil would likely be violated.
 
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RDS said:
The film is offensive to the muslims.
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What isn't offensive to Muslims?

Don't show the sole of your shoe. Don't handle the Qu'ran. Don't show a picture of Muhammad. Don't write the wrong kind of books. Don't offend God in movies. Don't wear skirts. Don't you dare show your face. Where is your scarf? Don't erect shrines. Wy are you a Jew? Why are you a Christian? Why are you an infidel? How dare you walk on holy sand.

Frankly I am tired of thinking about how every single event on earth involves some sort of insult to Muslims. I am tired of coddling a people who are stuck between the past and the future. I have no more patience for a civilization that continues to preach about Western evils, displaying absolute ignorance and stupidity to the fact that without the West they would have slaughtered each other off decades ago...or still under the rule of dictators. I am fed up with the fact that Muslims refuse responsibility for themselves and secretly prefer the satisfied comfortable postion of playing the victim to forces out of their control.

Another fact is that Muslims are freest in Israel and in Europe/America. These locations host an evironment that the entire Arab Spring was supposed to be about. Yet they are too stupid to realize these facts as they continue to condemn Christians and Jews in the area (and non-Sunni Muslims) and favor the religious hatred they have been indoctrinated to their entire lives under Mullahs and Clerics that worked the misdirection at the bequest of the dictators. But, oh yeah.....being a Christian or a Jew is also offensive isn't it?

A lot of things offended German Nazis, Japanese Imperialists, Soviet Communists, Phillip's Catholics, Muntzer's Protestants, John Brown's Christians, etc. But some how, we have fooled ourselves into believing that history's latest civilizational enemy can't exist. Our politicially correct weakneses won't alow us to see an enemy for what it is. Our enemy is a failed civilization in the Middle East that has finally begun to realize that Islam, as an organizational tool, is no longer viable in a modernized changed world that grew up while they were fleeing from eclipses and designing further ways to enslave their women.

Don't worry about what offends Muslims. Is it only everybody else that is supposed to be grown up?
 
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sharon said:
What exactly do you mean? How have you been "fooled"?

A film maker deiberately sets off a firestorm to express his religious beliefs and goes into hiding while Americans are being killed..

And you want to do a petty routine on Obama?
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I guess you're right...he's just the president. Why should he be bothered with stuff like this?
 
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Grant said:
Yes, we shouldn't allow US foreign policy to become a political issue during an election campaign.
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What has this attack to do with "US foreign policy?"
 
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PeteEU said:
What would you do? Nuke Benghazi? Attack the Libyan government who had nothing to do with this? Piss off more people by attacking innocents? Let me guess you would all of the above and totally over react...
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#1. Egypt can bring us the Sunni Clerics Head on a Silver Platter or We Go put 2 in the Back of his head.
 
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apdst said:
As with Cairo, I'm wondering why our people didn't return fire. I guess--as it's been pointed out--that they didn't...the violence may have excalated.
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From what I heard of it, they did but were overwhelmed and likely had little firepower or personnel to resist with.

Possibly USA policy concerning embassies should consider significantly greater firepower and military staff, more fortify embassies and an instant-ready air response and intrusion ability in any trouble-spot country.

The reason this USED to not be necessary as an attack against an embassy was considered an attack against the nation itself, so few dare even think of doing so. But they rely on whimpy ass responses such as exactly what Obama did. Its all just politics to him for which the struggle is what the best politically correct verbal statement to make.
 
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RDS said:
The film is offensive to the muslims. The director of the film has gone into hiding and he remains defiant. He describes islam as 'a cancer'. He said he had intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.
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Well then, the Muslims need to grow up. When they sit back and cry about how they're lives are ****, they need to think about events such as this.
 
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Ikari said:
There's a time scale. If you yell fire in a crowded theater, you immediately cause panic. There is reasonable cause to believe your life is in danger, and thus panic and escape are expected. Fight or flight is immediate response and if your life is in trouble, you must react immediately. If you watch a movie and then decide that you're going to burn something down because of it, you are not making a panicked decision because you think your life is on the line. You have time to reason it out and if you choose not to, then that is a choice you make. But the external pressure to your life isn't there and ultimately you go off and plan an attack...there's plenty of time to realize what it is that you're doing. The film maker is not on the line because violent reaction to a movie is not a rational response. Panicking in a fire is a rational response.
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Disagree.

The film maker fully knows when he is making the movie that it is an utter provocation and he knows what the reaction will be.. rational or not. He knows that people of faith will not react rationally when their faith is challenged.. he knows that in making this movie something will happen.. just as the guy going into the theatre knows what the reaction of the people will be. THAT is the key to all this... the film maker and the guy in the theatre both know what the reaction is going to be.. from empirical evidence... we know in the west, that if you insult Islam then the reaction among some Muslims will be violent.

Now do I like the fact that we have to tiptoe around Muslims .. HELLLL no, but I also would rather tiptoe around Muslims than have riots and mass deaths. Especially when I know that the radical aspects of Islam use such provocations to gain and maintain their hold on the population. Basically such provocations push more and more people towards the radical part of Islam.. and that is exactly what we dont want.. and exactly what the movie maker and his followers do want.

In the end of the day we have to share this planet with Muslims... so why in the hell go out of our way to make enemies of them by provoking them? And why allow radicals in religions to dictate our policies and actions? I say no.. hell no to radicals regardless of religion.
 
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apdst said:
Yeah! Hell with that 1st Amendment ****!
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The 1st Amendment also allows protestors to desegrate the funerals of our fallen military. Waving the Constitution around to protect the ****s of society is irresponsible. Burning Qu'rans in Flordia got fighting men in Afghanistan killed. This "movie" got Americans in Libya killed. But **** them? As long as those who have absolutely nothing to do with fighting for their own freedoms can display their 1st Ammendment Rights at the expense of those who do have the courage and the will to fight and preserve freedoms?

**** this pretend director. **** Qu'ran burning preachers in Florida. And **** protectors that dare approach a military funeral while I'm there. ....And **** the rights they didn't earn.
 
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MMC said:
#1. Egypt can bring us the Sunni Clerics Head on a Silver Platter or We Go put 2 in the Back of his head.
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Or we can wait until we know the location and destroy that location of such Cleric(s) in a 1000 foot radius of total destruction - doing so from Utah. Then just say "oops, sorry" for any residual damage like Reagan did in bombing the French embassy in his attack on Libya also killing Gaddafi's kid after France refused our aircraft refueling in France.

I think the apologize to the French for bombing their embassy in Libya was "sorry, sorry... but maybe if you had let our aircraft refuel in France our pilots wouldn't have been so tired from such a long flight and could have dropped their bombs more precisely."

The USA had no problems with Gaddafi after that attack that killed one of his children and blew up one of his houses. Make it personal. Don't kill the minions, kill the head of the snake and those around him. Kill a few clerics and their mosques who call for war against the USA and Americans. Its called COUNTER TERRORISM. Literally.
 
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PeteEU said:
In the end of the day we have to share this planet with Muslims
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Yes we do, but their irrationalities do not trump my freedom.
 
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PeteEU said:
Disagree.

The film maker fully knows when he is making the movie that it is an utter provocation and he knows what the reaction will be.. rational or not. He knows that people of faith will not react rationally when their faith is challenged.. he knows that in making this movie something will happen.. just as the guy going into the theatre knows what the reaction of the people will be. THAT is the key to all this... the film maker and the guy in the theatre both know what the reaction is going to be.. from empirical evidence... we know in the west, that if you insult Islam then the reaction among some Muslims will be violent.

Now do I like the fact that we have to tiptoe around Muslims .. HELLLL no, but I also would rather tiptoe around Muslims than have riots and mass deaths. Especially when I know that the radical aspects of Islam use such provocations to gain and maintain their hold on the population. Basically such provocations push more and more people towards the radical part of Islam.. and that is exactly what we dont want.. and exactly what the movie maker and his followers do want.

In the end of the day we have to share this planet with Muslims... so why in the hell go out of our way to make enemies of them by provoking them? And why allow radicals in religions to dictate our policies and actions? I say no.. hell no to radicals regardless of religion.
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Pete. Muslims have to share the planet with us too.

What you are espousing is that we must submit to them. Not say anything so as to upset them.

Meanwhile, they can advocate for our extermination.

You preach weakness. Its like blood in the water. Yesterday was just one result.
 
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MSgt said:
The 1st Amendment also allows protestors to desegrate the funerals of our fallen military. Waving the Constitution around to protect the ****s of society is irresponsible. Burning Qu'rans in Flordia got fighting men in Afghanistan killed. This "movie" got Americans in Libya killed. But **** them? As long as those who have absolutely nothing to do with fighting for their own freedoms can display their 1st Ammendment Rights at the expense of those who do have the courage and the will to fight and preserve freedoms?
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Where does it end?

**** this pretend director. **** Qu'ran burning preachers in Florida. And **** protectors that dare approach a military funeral while I'm there. ....And **** the rights they didn't earn.
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So, how do we earn these rights?
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Yes. But these attacks were not spontaneous. In two countries, Egypt and Libya, on 9-11. There is no possible way that security folks in both countries did not know of the planning. They knew that sovereign soil would likely be violated.
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It is no more spontaneous than the upcoming November elections, and we should also keep in mind that the present US administration was directly responsible for changing the leadership of both these countries. Of course the leadership will condemn the atrocities after they happen. That's just what they do.

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PeteEU said:
Disagree.

The film maker fully knows when he is making the movie that it is an utter provocation and he knows what the reaction will be.. rational or not. He knows that people of faith will not react rationally when their faith is challenged.. he knows that in making this movie something will happen.. just as the guy going into the theatre knows what the reaction of the people will be. THAT is the key to all this... the film maker and the guy in the theatre both know what the reaction is going to be.. from empirical evidence... we know in the west, that if you insult Islam then the reaction among some Muslims will be violent.

Now do I like the fact that we have to tiptoe around Muslims .. HELLLL no, but I also would rather tiptoe around Muslims than have riots and mass deaths. Especially when I know that the radical aspects of Islam use such provocations to gain and maintain their hold on the population. Basically such provocations push more and more people towards the radical part of Islam.. and that is exactly what we dont want.. and exactly what the movie maker and his followers do want.

In the end of the day we have to share this planet with Muslims... so why in the hell go out of our way to make enemies of them by provoking them? And why allow radicals in religions to dictate our policies and actions? I say no.. hell no to radicals regardless of religion.
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Should we have shared the planet with the Nazis in 1941?
 
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MSgt said:
The 1st Amendment also allows protestors to desegrate the funerals of our fallen military. Waving the Constitution around to protect the ****s of society is irresponsible. Burning Qu'rans in Flordia got fighting men in Afghanistan killed. This "movie" got Americans in Libya killed. But **** them? As long as those who have absolutely nothing to do with fighting for their own freedoms can display their 1st Ammendment Rights at the expense of those who do have the courage and the will to fight and preserve freedoms?

**** this pretend director. **** Qu'ran burning preachers in Florida. And **** protectors that dare approach a military funeral while I'm there. ....And **** the rights they didn't earn.
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That is absolutely 100% wrong. Burning Korans never killed anyone. Bullets and bombs killed them.
 
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MSgt said:
The 1st Amendment also allows protestors to desegrate the funerals of our fallen military. Waving the Constitution around to protect the ****s of society is irresponsible. Burning Qu'rans in Flordia got fighting men in Afghanistan killed. This "movie" got Americans in Libya killed. But **** them? As long as those who have absolutely nothing to do with fighting for their own freedoms can display their 1st Ammendment Rights at the expense of those who do have the courage and the will to fight and preserve freedoms?

**** this pretend director. **** Qu'ran burning preachers in Florida. And **** protectors that dare approach a military funeral while I'm there. ....And **** the rights they didn't earn.
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So your are on the side of the people who killed the Americans? I'm not trying to be a smart*** but you seem to be endorsing violence against people who say something you don't like which is what those people were doing
 
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Connery said:
The brunt of the responsibility falls on the shoulders of the Libyan government.
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Yes, but you have to remember that this is not the Libya of Gadaffi.. law and order is at best a bit iffy, and "government control" is hardly universal. They are still arguing over who should hold Saif Gadaffi.

They failed to protect those in their country and to maintain public safety.
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Yes they did, but considering that the attack could have been by Al Q and battle harden terrorists.. then not much they could have done. One could say, that it was stupid to have a consulate there in the first place.

Us law does not apply here. There is no crowded theater. There is no US constitutional free speech argument there is only is what should Libya have done differently to maintain order and public safety.
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Nope US law.. well actually US law does apply within the consulate. Hence the murder of the Ambassador could be tried in the US.. including a trial against the maker of the movie.. in theory any ways. We shall see..

Enough of this.. blood pressure getting too high, time to not debate for a few hours.... stupid high blood pressure crap.
 
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