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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Yea! become like North Korea!.. poor and paranoid!

Better to be poor in this life and rich in the next one. As for paranoia.... It's not really paranoia if someone really is after you.

Political Isolationism versus Social Isolationism...seems like a pretty big difference to me.

How about BOTH for the win, Alex?

Cant have political isolationism without social isolationism.. or economic isolationism. Either you are a part of the world or you are not.

Exactly, and the US should NOT be.

America was very good at being policical isolationists without sacraficing our social or economic positions in the world pre WWII. Think we can do that again.

Furthermore, we can participate on the world stage through the UN. We do not need to be their spear and shield anymore though.

We were BETTER about it prior to 1918, but we were not perfect. Furthermore, US involvement in the Useless, sorry United Nations is one of the worst decisions the US Government has made in the last Centuryl and that's saying something.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Our Ambassadors' body was apparently carried through the streets, a'la Mogadishu.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Hardly..

Like it or not the movie is a provocation, they knew what the reaction would be and they wanted that reaction. They have complicity in the reaction to their actions.. pure and simple.

Or maybe these assholes should stop being sensitive.

Honestly, there is no way to defend...

"This film maker offended me, let's go kill people who had nothing to do with it".

I don't care if you're a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Bhuddist... Jedi. There is never an excuse for this crap.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Oh, the products of our free speech offends you? Well you know what offends us? Assaulting our Embassy and dragging our slain Ambassador's body through the streets.


Now according to you, the response to being offended is to be as violent as possible.... so.......
 
Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambassador

Hardly..

Like it or not the movie is a provocation, they knew what the reaction would be and they wanted that reaction. They have complicity in the reaction to their actions.. pure and simple.

Are you saying all videos on YouTube that criticise Mohammad should be pulled?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Why do we continue to leave our representatives in harms way? Is there any diplomatic or practical reason an ambassador should need to be in their assigned country on an ongoing basis? Especially when that country is unstable or prone to outbreaks of violence.

Americans (and probably a few Libyans) who did nothing wrong are dead because a few assholes decided to be intentionally insulting, and an irrational mob decided any death would avenge the insult.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

So...what's Obama going to do about one of his Ambassadors being murdered?

My guess is...nothing.

This IS an election year, after all.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Or maybe these assholes should stop being sensitive.

Honestly, there is no way to defend...

"This film maker offended me, let's go kill people who had nothing to do with it".

I don't care if you're a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Bhuddist... Jedi. There is never an excuse for this crap.

I agree but there is also no excuse to making this movie.

For the love of all that is holy... in the clip on Youtube they portray Mohamed as a liar, homosexual, paedophile, greedy and bloodthristy.

They KNEW what the reaction would be.. anyone with half a brain would know that.. hence they knew that people would get killed by making this film.

I condemn the actions of the moron scum in Libya and Egypt with every breath I have.. there is NO PLACE for reactions like this... protest yes, but violent protests.. HELL NO!... , but I can not just sit by and let that American-Israeli jihadist scum get off scot free for what he and his followers have done.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

So...what's Obama going to do about one of his Ambassadors being murdered?

My guess is...nothing.

This IS an election year, after all.

What would you do? Nuke Benghazi? Attack the Libyan government who had nothing to do with this? Piss off more people by attacking innocents? Let me guess you would all of the above and totally over react...
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

What? Dude, we've been bloody imperialists since we were founded. War and trade are the two things we are really good at.
Come on we are not that good at trade!
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

What would you do? Nuke Benghazi? Attack the Libyan government who had nothing to do with this? Piss off more people by attacking innocents? Let me guess you would all of the above and totally over react...

How about you start by closing the embassy permanently, throw the Libyan consulate staff out of the United States and tell them that until they have their citizens under control we will not be dealing with them in any way.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Come on we are not that good at trade!

well it's a close tossup to be sure, but I would have to say that most of our awesomeness at war comes from also being awesome at trade.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

America was very good at being policical isolationists without sacraficing our social or economic positions in the world pre WWII. Think we can do that again.

Furthermore, we can participate on the world stage through the UN. We do not need to be their spear and shield anymore though.

IMO, we're not really the spear and shield of the UN. We do what we want, when we want, with or without the approval of the UN and you'd better believe that our interests focus almost entirely on protecting the foreign interests of US and international businesses who purchase our representatives.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

This is sad.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

How about you start by closing the embassy permanently, throw the Libyan consulate staff out of the United States and tell them that until they have their citizens under control we will not be dealing with them in any way.

Yea, and all other countries do the same when an American citizen kills a non American citizen in the US.. man by months end end there would be no embassies left in the US!
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

How about you start by closing the embassy permanently, throw the Libyan consulate staff out of the United States and tell them that until they have their citizens under control we will not be dealing with them in any way.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

But...I really don't think Obama has the balls to make a move like that...especially in an election year.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Yea, and all other countries do the same when an American citizen kills a non American citizen in the US.. man by months end end there would be no embassies left in the US!

1. There shouldn't be any non-US citizens in the United States, either as consulate workers or as tourists/workers.

2. Sounds good to me. Where do I sign up for a US with no embassies?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

But...I really don't think Obama has the balls to make a move like that...especially in an election year.

He wouldn't have the balls to make that sort of move ANY TIME. Nor would most of the POTUS's we've had in the last 70 years.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I agree but there is also no excuse to making this movie.

For the love of all that is holy... in the clip on Youtube they portray Mohamed as a liar, homosexual, paedophile, greedy and bloodthristy.

They KNEW what the reaction would be.. anyone with half a brain would know that.. hence they knew that people would get killed by making this film.

I condemn the actions of the moron scum in Libya and Egypt with every breath I have.. there is NO PLACE for reactions like this... protest yes, but violent protests.. HELL NO!... , but I can not just sit by and let that American-Israeli jihadist scum get off scot free for what he and his followers have done.

The Left cries out for more censorship of free speech - no surprise here.

Of course the same rule governing free speech does not apply to Muslims who openly want to murder Jews and Christians. The reason for this is that we don't expect responsible behaviour from Muslims. We know they are uneducated, or mis-educated, and cannot respond to criticism in any logical or responsible way, therefore we have to remain silent rather than point out the Islamic elephant in the room.

While ignoring problems and simply hoping they might just go away is the strongest leftist trait, and always has been, history has shown us that a free people must stand up to murderous ideologues of whatever religious or political stripe. We cannot stay silent while these murderous scum murder women, children, Gays, or those of other faiths. To self censor is the way of the Left, but not that of a civilized people.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The Left cries out for more censorship of free speech - no surprise here.

Of course the same rule governing free speech does not apply to Muslims who openly want to murder Jews and Christians. The reason for this is that we don't expect responsible behaviour from Muslims. We know they are uneducated, or mis-educated, and cannot respond to criticism in any logical or responsible way, therefore we have to remain silent rather than point out the Islamic elephant in the room.

While ignoring problems and simply hoping they might just go away is the strongest leftist trait, and always has been, history has shown us that a free people must stand up to murderous ideologues of whatever religious or political stripe. We cannot stay silent while these murderous scum murder women, children, Gays, or those of other faiths. To self censor is the way of the Left, but not that of a civilized people.

Is Sam Bacile a leftist or on the right?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

There is absolutely no excuse for this. None. I don't care how much the words of others provoke your anger and outrage, you have no right to go on a murdering rampage because you got your religious feelings hurt. By all means, shout and protest until you're blue in the face, but the moment you cross the line and become violent you lose all sympathy and all humanity. I'm getting so sick of people trying to justify what these savages did. There is NO justification for this. ZERO.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I agree but there is also no excuse to making this movie.

For the love of all that is holy... in the clip on Youtube they portray Mohamed as a liar, homosexual, paedophile, greedy and bloodthristy.

They KNEW what the reaction would be.. anyone with half a brain would know that.. hence they knew that people would get killed by making this film.

I condemn the actions of the moron scum in Libya and Egypt with every breath I have.. there is NO PLACE for reactions like this... protest yes, but violent protests.. HELL NO!... , but I can not just sit by and let that American-Israeli jihadist scum get off scot free for what he and his followers have done.

What do you think should be done? Fire a RPG at his house?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The Left cries out for more censorship of free speech - no surprise here.

Typical comment from you... if you even had a clue on what censorship was or freedom of speech then maybe we could have a good discussion.. but forget it.

Of course the same rule governing free speech does not apply to Muslims who openly want to murder Jews and Christians. The reason for this is that we don't expect responsible behaviour from Muslims. We know they are uneducated, or mis-educated, and cannot respond to criticism in any logical or responsible way, therefore we have to remain silent rather than point out the Islamic elephant in the room.

The "Islamic" elephant in the crystal room, that is spooked by the small mouse put there by an American-Jew radical and his friends... and them knowing well what the reaction would be...

Like it or not "Freedom of speech" is not freedom to say whatever you want when ever you want.. shouting fire in a theatre is still illegal, as is slander. This situation is both.

While ignoring problems and simply hoping they might just go away is the strongest leftist trait, and always has been, history has shown us that a free people must stand up to murderous ideologues of whatever religious or political stripe. We cannot stay silent while these murderous scum murder women, children, Gays, or those of other faiths.

No one is ignoring the problems... in fact the problems are being exploited by bigots and radical Christians and Jews in an attempt to start a religious war with Muslims... just as our problems in the west are being exploited by radical Muslims to stir up a religious war with Christians and Jews.

To self censor is the way of the Left, but not that of a civilized people.

Again you seem to forget history... where self censorship was the norm.. in times when the right ruled with an iron fist world wide. In the "good old days" you so love, women were burned at the stake for having opinions or talking out of turn...... you know that they were burned at the stake by the order of the Christian church right? Or how about the mobs that lynched blacks in the south during the dark days.. often for crimes whites had committed but blamed on the blacks.. ahhh the good old days right?
 
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