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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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cpwill said:
yup.



God is not really a "him" inasmuch as gender is a limitation. when He came to Earth, he came as a Jewish Male.
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Really?

So why do Jews reject Christianity?
 
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Klown said:
You are being very naughty with the truth aren't you?
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Let's see your citation. Are you male?
 
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mac said:
No, they're instigated by terrorists.. If you take EVERY rioter in EVERY country it still doesn't amount to anything but the smallest fraction of a percentage of Muslims.
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Right. And only a few Germans were Nazis, only a few Italians Fascist an only a few Russians Communist.

So you ignore them and in 20, 50 or 100 years they'll come to their senses?
 
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Klown said:
.....but what about the 1.4 million Iraqi civilian deaths at the hands of the USA?

God has a habit of treatingn all murderers and thugs in a very similar way, irrespective of the color of their skin, religion, or nationality

You may have a lot of explaining to do - although I hear that Beelzebub tends to ignore excuses and just turns the thermostat up on the boilers
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Whew~!

The Americans killed 1.4 million Iraqis?

I don't like to get picky but do you have anything to support this remarkable claim of yours?
 
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Grant said:
Right. And only a few Germans were Nazis, only a few Italians Fascist an only a few Russians Communist.

So you ignore them and in 20, 50 or 100 years they'll come to their senses?
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Did we ignore the actual Nazi's and Fascists? No, and we don't demonize all Italians and Germans.
 
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Grant said:
Whew~!

The Americans killed 1.4 million Iraqis?

I don't like to get picky but do you have anything to support this remarkable claim of yours?
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The numbers I have seen are all over the place.. Like 800,000 dead as a direct result of the war... 500,000 dead as a result of long standing sanctions.

It is probably impossible to get an accurate number since there were so many refugees as well as people displaced internally.

In the end ... Iraq was crippled by two decades of war and sanctions.. so it is what it is.
 
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A billion Muslims minded their own business yesterday. They sent their kids to school, they went to work, fixed meals or went to restaurants, and prayed to their god. They didn't burn flags or murder diplomats, didn't strap bombs to themselves, didn't participate in any demonstrations against the US.

And, nothing was reported in the mainstream media.

I guess the mainstream media must be biased or something.
 
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mac said:
Did we ignore the actual Nazi's and Fascists? No, and we don't demonize all Italians and Germans.
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How about we just be honest by neither exaggerating nor minimizing the extent of such support in any of these cases?

To use the term "only a handful" is just as far off the mark as if one were to have actually said "all", since the numbers in question are magnitudes more than a handful.

Heck, just familiarize yourself with the subject of apostasy in Islam, where enormous numbers support killing those who leave Islam and you might notice the degree to which this "only a handful" is errant.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
A billion Muslims minded their own business yesterday. They sent their kids to school, they went to work, fixed meals or went to restaurants, and prayed to their god. They didn't burn flags or murder diplomats, didn't strap bombs to themselves, didn't participate in any demonstrations against the US.

And, nothing was reported in the mainstream media.

I guess the mainstream media must be biased or something.
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I just love reality checks. :2wave:
 
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Gardener said:
How about we just be honest by neither exaggerating nor minimizing the extent of such support in any of these cases?

To use the term "only a handful" is just as far off the mark as if one were to have actually said "all", since the numbers in question are magnitudes more than a handful.

Heck, just familiarize yourself with the subject of apostasy in Islam, where enormous numbers support killing those who leave Islam and you might notice the degree to which this "only a handful" is errant.
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Apostasy in Islam means treason...

So, if you are convicted of a capital offence.. like murder, rape, pedophilia, grand larceny you have betrayed both the community and your faith... ergo.. you are apostate.

And when you are sentenced for say murder.. the sentencing states murder and apostasy.
 
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Klown said:
Really?

So why do Jews reject Christianity?
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You don't know that Judaism is older than Christianity by some 2,000 years??

I know stupid people also have the right to their opinions but you're taking too much advantage of this social etiquette.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
A billion Muslims minded their own business yesterday. They sent their kids to school, they went to work, fixed meals or went to restaurants, and prayed to their god. They didn't burn flags or murder diplomats, didn't strap bombs to themselves, didn't participate in any demonstrations against the US.

And, nothing was reported in the mainstream media.

I guess the mainstream media must be biased or something.
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:roll: non sequiter. 1.2 billion Chinese did the same thing and no reporting on it occurred.
 
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mac said:
Did we ignore the actual Nazi's and Fascists? No, and we don't demonize all Italians and Germans.
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In fact, until they surrendered, we did. After that we helped them.
 
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sharon said:
Apostasy in Islam means treason...

So, if you are convicted of a capital offence.. like murder, rape, pedophilia, grand larceny you have betrayed both the community and your faith... ergo.. you are apostate.

And when you are sentenced for say murder.. the sentencing states murder and apostasy.
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Leaving the faith is also apostasy, as any Wahhabist should know.
 
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sharon said:
Apostasy in Islam means treason...

So, if you are convicted of a capital offence.. like murder, rape, pedophilia, grand larceny you have betrayed both the community and your faith... ergo.. you are apostate.

And when you are sentenced for say murder.. the sentencing states murder and apostasy.
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And murder in the more advanced non Muslims cultures means you get slapped down if you murder innocent people.

We do not murder people for changing their faith, for being Gay, nor stone women or murder schoolgirls.

Whatever medieval Muslims believe should be their business but their widespread ignorance is now making them everyone's business.
 
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Grant said:
In fact, until they surrendered, we did. After that we helped them.
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No, we engaged armed soldiers in battle. We did not target all Italians and all Germans.
 
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mac said:
We did not target all Italians and all Germans.
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The people of Dresden might disagree.

I'm not saying such an action was right or wrong, but we targeted pretty much everything there.
 
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Gardener said:
How about we just be honest by neither exaggerating nor minimizing the extent of such support in any of these cases?

To use the term "only a handful" is just as far off the mark as if one were to have actually said "all", since the numbers in question are magnitudes more than a handful.

Heck, just familiarize yourself with the subject of apostasy in Islam, where enormous numbers support killing those who leave Islam and you might notice the degree to which this "only a handful" is errant.
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I didn't say only a handful, I said a small percentage, which is true. Familiarize yourself with Christianity which not only supported such acts against their own, but actively sought them out to do it.

We should pusruse the Muslims (and anyone else) who instigates and conducts violence against us, we should not demonize Muslims that don't...or their religion.
 
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Gardener said:
The people of Dresden might disagree.

I'm not saying such an action was right or wrong, but we targeted pretty much everything there.
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That was a function of available weaponry, not intent.
 
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sharon said:
Apostasy in Islam means treason...

So, if you are convicted of a capital offence.. like murder, rape, pedophilia, grand larceny you have betrayed both the community and your faith... ergo.. you are apostate.

And when you are sentenced for say murder.. the sentencing states murder and apostasy.
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Under Islamic law apostasy is also identified by a list of actions such as conversion to another religion, denying the existence of God, rejecting the prophets, mocking God or the prophets which is what Gardener was referring to. I'm not sure why you chose to ignore that in your reply.
 
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John.NoseTip said:
How do you know that suicide bombings are related to religion? How much of that is driven by desparation instead of religion could be much greater than you realize. I don't know which it is the religion or the desparation. I do know desparate people do desparate things and suicide bombing is a desparate act. Labeling Islam as a gutter religion seems like a generalization to me. How many free muslims have you lived with?

All religions are silly to me therefore I know little about the history of any of the religions. However, I do know western societies owe quite a bit to that part of the world. At least that's what I was taught in western civ class.
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This post warrants some sort of response.

On the other hand, if you are unable to connect the very obvious dots why should I bother pointing out the rest?
 
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mac said:
No, we engaged armed soldiers in battle. We did not target all Italians and all Germans.
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Your mind must have wandered between the time your wrote the last post and responded to mine.

This is what you said

"Did we ignore the actual Nazi's and Fascists? No, and we don't demonize all Italians and Germans".

You did not mention anything about engaging soldiers in battle. Anyone familiar with WWI or WWII, in fact in most wars, understand that soldiers engage in battle. Yours is not a terribly shrewd insight.
 
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sharon said:
Yes, Christians have been killing people all over the world for the past 50 years.
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Show me. It should be easy for you to do.

Riddle me this.. What if 5 Million armed refugees from Sudan arrived in Alabama to settle down and take your homes and property? Do you think there would be friction?
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LOL. We had over 90,000 illegal aliens here before we passed a law punishing the companies who hire them. The illegal problem want way, way down.

You will have to do better with your analogy. Nice try though. Well, not really.
 
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Gardener said:
The people of Dresden might disagree.

I'm not saying such an action was right or wrong, but we targeted pretty much everything there.
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Absolutely. Many cities all over Europe were bombed, with little regard for the inhabitants, because that has been the traditional way of war.

We have tried to change those ancient rules but unless both sides agree to the changes one will have a great advantage.
 
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Grant said:
That's an option that should certainly be put on the table for the next time anything like this occurs. But first all foreign aid must stop.
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Why wait? We could notify the entire Islamic world that Allah is a fraud. And we will no longer tolerate the fraudsters whipping up attacks against us.
 
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