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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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Misterveritis said:
Do you disagree with the film maker?
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I know that this isn't to me, but I have to say even if I didn't, I cannot imagine denying someone their right to free speech. That would be totally giving into them, and I can't believe that people would say to "condemn" the filmmaker in so many words. That is totally sick and very sad that some people want to cower like that.
 
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SovereignElecto said:
Oh name calling now huh? I'm a jerk? Why because I have a different opinion?

Insult you on 9-11, well its actually 9-12 and to be honest I think there is enough questions that have been raised to indicate that maybe the US government had a hand or even carried out 9-11.

I personally would not put it past the US government to pull off 9-11 and I have to ask where did the 2.3 trillion go that went missing or all the documents or other stuff from tower 7?

news report from Sept. 10, 2001: Pentagon admits $2.3 Trillion missing.
For those bad with math, this is 1 day before the 9/11 false flag.

Donald Rumsfeld Unknown Unknowns ! - YouTube

anyway you raised the 9-11 issue and I am just responding with my opinion and Im sorry if you do not want me to have an opinion thats different than yours
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Oh please, waa-waa. You're extremely insulting as well. Your insults are just more subtle is all.
 
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John.NoseTip said:
Why isn't this just a criminal act? Criminals murdered 4 people and people are talking about religious wars. WTF! I'm actually old enough to remember a group of black guys pulling a white trucker out of his vehicle and beating the ever loving hell out of him then celebrating what they had done. It was a horrific act but I nor most people wanted to declare a race war because of what a handful of criminals had done. There will always be criminals who want holy wars, race wars etc... but If governments keep responding in that kind of tribal mindset things will never improve.

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It is an act of war. We should be loading and locking weapons at every embassy and consulate in the Middle East. Upon attack fire until the ammunition runs out. Then bomb them until none are left standing. After that send in the 18th Airborne Corps and the US Marines.

A real president would not tolerate an attack upon a US embassy or consulate. But we don't have one of those.
 
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Iron Yank said:
I'm sick & tired of these types always trying to make white folks out as the only ones who can be racists or haters like this guys likes to portray. Its just as common with other races. That was my point. But I'd rather get back on topic here .............and I would like to ask the Obama drones why dear leader Obama would farm out the security to an obvious bunch of either incompetants or sellouts that actually pointed the crowd to where the ambassador was hiding? In a country that just fought a civil war and lots of radical Islamists running around with guns why would we have such a weak security force and why would we farm it out. Why not 50 Marines instead of 2? Who is tha damn idiot in the administration who decided this one?
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So am I. I agree what you said the first time, but, letting this fool derail what is a fabulous thread is not good. The dude has no point he is here to get his jollies...:)


The crazy maniacs who did this should be ferreted out like the spineless creeps they are. It looks like the US is going to go after these guys with a vengeance.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Absolutely.
This was a violent criminal act, and the people responsible are the violent criminals who carried out the attack, not someone who made a movie.

At least the US and Libya are both on the same side in condemning the attack and swearing to bring the perpetrators to justice.

Countdown until this becomes a presidential campaign issue, 9, 8, 7 .....
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Why wouldn't it be a campaign issue. Romney was presidential, as in US presidential.
And the one term Marxist? Well, he was on his way to another fundraiser.
 
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joko104 said:
I believe the religion of Islam as taught and practiced by hundreds of millions of people is worse than just a "cancer."

I bet there isn't one message by you declaring calling Israel a "tumor" to be removed was wrong and unacceptably offensive, is there?
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and you obvioulsy obtain your assessment from Hollywood and the credible US media

lol

Have you worked out yet that the instigators of almost all the wars and major conflicts around the world have two things in common?

Can you guess what those two prerequisites are?

(HINT: White CHristian)
 
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RDS said:
The film is offensive to the muslims. The director of the film has gone into hiding and he remains defiant. He describes islam as 'a cancer'. He said he had intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.
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Sure, it's offensive, but no matter how offensive something may be, you should never resort to violence to resolve a verbal conflict.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
Sure, it's offensive, but no matter how offensive something may be, you should never resort to violence to resolve a verbal conflict.
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I agree, and I seem to remember something about a picture of Jesus with crap or something gross smeared on it, and the artist called it "art" and it actually hung in an art gallery somewhere. I don't remember any Christians rioting, attacking and killing people over it.
 
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PeteEU said:
Disagree.

The film maker fully knows when he is making the movie that it is an utter provocation and he knows what the reaction will be.. rational or not. He knows that people of faith will not react rationally when their faith is challenged.. he knows that in making this movie something will happen.. just as the guy going into the theatre knows what the reaction of the people will be. THAT is the key to all this... the film maker and the guy in the theatre both know what the reaction is going to be.. from empirical evidence... we know in the west, that if you insult Islam then the reaction among some Muslims will be violent.

Now do I like the fact that we have to tiptoe around Muslims .. HELLLL no, but I also would rather tiptoe around Muslims than have riots and mass deaths. Especially when I know that the radical aspects of Islam use such provocations to gain and maintain their hold on the population. Basically such provocations push more and more people towards the radical part of Islam.. and that is exactly what we dont want.. and exactly what the movie maker and his followers do want.

In the end of the day we have to share this planet with Muslims... so why in the hell go out of our way to make enemies of them by provoking them? And why allow radicals in religions to dictate our policies and actions? I say no.. hell no to radicals regardless of religion.
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Some of us have not yet been Islamicized. Some of us have no intention of be Muslimized. You tiptoe all you want. But stay away from the men okay? When it comes to heavy lifting you need an American... Come November perhaps we shall once again have one leading the Executive Branch.
 
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MMC said:
WASHINGTON (AP) — US officials say the Pentagon is moving 2 warships toward Libyan coast......snip~

Both carry Missile. Looks like Obama is ready to throw some Tomahawks if necessary. Wonder if he is going to move any others towards Egypt since shiznit is still jumping off there at 2-3 am in the morning.
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And what? Blow up a couple of empty tents in the desert?

I find it very hard to believe that the so called Libyan Goverment could not find enough help to send to beat back a few terrorists in a 4 hour time span right in the middle of Benghazi. Considering the Libyan security force that was protecting them actually pointe the crowd to the hiding Ambassador I'd say the goverment knew what was up and looked the other way because they actually sympathize with the radicals.

No..... a couple of Tomahawks does not send the type of message we need to send, a daisy cutter dropped in the part of Benghazi where these murderers reside certainly would get there attention.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
Sure, it's offensive, but no matter how offensive something may be, you should never resort to violence to resolve a verbal conflict.
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You mean like the unprovoked US attack on Iraq that resulted in 1.42 million civilian deaths?

I agree with your there!
 
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Klown said:
You mean like the unprovoked US attack on Iraq that resulted in 1.42 million civilian deaths?

I agree with your there!
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I'm confused, how is that the result of a verbal conflict?
 
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Connery said:
Thanks for the reply , we finally we are getting at the heart of the matter!!!!!!! What action did the Libya government take in this situation? If they intentionally allowed or aided these people then clearly it is an act of war. If they were simply negligent, I would hold them accountable, but, I would be not so fast to declare war on this country. There are other ways to handle this within governments which are more effective while getting a desired result.


The Libya already admitted to a breach of security.



U.S. Ambassador to Libya Is Killed - WSJ.com
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"Libyan officials spent the night in a manhunt trying to find those responsible for the killings, "

I understand they have teamed up with OJ Simpson. They will all head off to the golf course looking for the real killer(s).
 
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Klown said:
You mean like the unprovoked US attack on Iraq that resulted in 1.42 million civilian deaths?

I agree with your there!
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Stick with the subject please. This happened in Egypt and Libya, not in Iraq!
 
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haymarket said:
And what will be your course of action having reached this state of anger and frustration?
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As a start we need to elect an American man to take the place of the one term Marxist.
Then we need to bulk up on ammunition and weapons at our embassies and consulates. When threatened by rioters or fired upon we should sweep the streets with fires until the attack ceases. I predict it will take exactly one time before this becomes a thing of the past.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
I'm confused, how is that the result of a verbal conflict?
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exactly

how is it a result of anything?

It may be worthwhile for you to Look in your own back yard before you moralise globally about the violent actions of others
 
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j-mac said:
"Arab Spring" = Code for Caliphate.
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You do realize the Caliphate has existed before and gotten along with United States during its existence? Many of the founding fathers have had pleasant relationships with the Sultan.

ven if they were staunch Christians (or deists, whatever), plenty of the Founding Fathers had a healthy admiration for the Muslim faith. Thomas Jefferson, for example, taught himself Arabic using his own copy of the Quran and hosted the first White House Iftar during Ramadan.

Jefferson believed in celebrating the deliciousness of all world religions.
John Adams hailed the Islamic prophet Muhammad as one of the great "inquirers after truth." Benjamin Rush, who was so Christian he wanted a Bible in every school, also said he would rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammad "inculcated upon our youth" than see them grow deprived "of a system of religious principles." Benjamin Franklin once declared: "Even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service." Even George ****ing Washington personally welcomed Muslims to come work for him at Mount Vernon.
So, why all this Founding Father/Muslim love? Probably because Sultan Mohammed ben Abdallah of Morocco was the first world figure to recognize the independence of the United States of America from Great Britain in 1777. Another reason was that the Founding Fathers were smart enough to distinguish between terrorists and everybody else on the whole damn planet, as demonstrated in the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797. It was in this agreement that the U.S. declared: "The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Mussulmen [Moslems]."


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That's right...it was Muslims who recognized the independence of United States.


cpwill said:
That's actually why I'm a fan of the Arab Spring. They want a religious war - let's give it to them before Sequestration takes full effect.
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Wow, lol, Muslim leadership does not equate to religious war. A Caliphate is not a utopia or a means for war for the Muslim world. In fact, most Muslims have an affinity toward it because of its social and economic aspects, considering the part of the Muslim world that lives under severe secular oppression for practicing their religion (praying, building mosques)and in poverty. People are thinking about healthcare, welfare, and...oh yeah... a leader who doesn't accumulate that land's resources for himself/family. It's much like the Christian philosopher, St. Augustine's description of "heavenly peace on Earth." It's not going to be heavenly perfection, but at the very least, no matter how corrupt a leader becomes, he does not deny some basic rights to people, ie banning worship.
 
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Klown said:
exactly

how is it a result of anything?

It may be worthwhile for you to Look in your own back yard before you moralise globally about the violent actions of others
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I'm still confused. I was responding to someone's comment that the film was offensive and that it contributed to the violent actions of the radical fundamentalists that attacked the embassy.
 
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PeteEU said:
I agree on the film quality, but disagree on the makers not having a partial responsibility for the actions of these animals. A person who lets out a bunch of hungry lions is complicit when those lions kills people.. pure and simple.
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I call more bull**** on this bull****.

It's galactically stupid to suggest that someone who makes a statement or movie or cartoon should be punished just because some people are easier to piss off than others. If one person wouldn't be punished because they made a disrespectful film about Jesus, another person shouldn't be punished for making the exact same film about Muhammad just because there are a lot more Muslims who are pansy-ass bitches who can't take someone "insulting" their dead magic man without resorting to violence than there are Christians in the same vein.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
I'm still confused. I was responding to someone's comment that the film was offensive and that it contributed to the violent actions of the radical fundamentalists that attacked the embassy.
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Of course the attack on the embassy is wrong and wont acheive anything except perpetuate more violence

But for someone in the USA to moralise and condemn this event, after ignoring or even supporting the imperialist US militarism all around the world that has resulted millions of deaths, is nothing short of delusional and hypocritical.

And to use your terminology, is US foreign policy and militarism "radical fundamentalism"?

Or perhaps you cant see the crimes that are carried out in your name?

I suppose I would be confused as well in that scenario!
 
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Iron Yank said:
And what? Blow up a couple of empty tents in the desert?

I find it very hard to believe that the so called Libyan Goverment could not find enough help to send to beat back a few terrorists in a 4 hour time span right in the middle of Benghazi. Considering the Libyan security force that was protecting them actually pointe the crowd to the hiding Ambassador I'd say the goverment knew what was up and looked the other way because they actually sympathize with the radicals.


No..... a couple of Tomahawks does not send the type of message we need to send, a daisy cutter dropped in the part of Benghazi where these murderers reside certainly would get there attention.
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Well 300 hard corp fighters hardly consitutes a couple of empty tents. Also Obama has Sent in the Drones to Benghazi and 400 FAST Troopers.
 
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apdst said:
One of his several wives was 7 years old! :rofl
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Yes but she (was it a she?) was very, very mature for her age.
 
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PeteEU said:
Cant have political isolationism without social isolationism.. or economic isolationism. Either you are a part of the world or you are not.
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False. Just look at Singapore. I know it's a city-state, but it's a shining example of free trade. Yet their military doesn't go around putting bases in other countries at the same time. Also: Switzerland.
 
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sharon said:
No question about that.

Even Romney doesn't know when to shut up.
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But clearly he does know when to speak up. I am delighted that Romney defended American ideals while the one term Marxist headed off to another fund raiser.
 
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Klown said:
Of course the attack on the embassy is wrong and wont acheive anything except perpetuate more violence

But for someone in the USA to moralise and condemn this event, after ignoring or even supporting the imperialist US militarism all around the world that has resulted millions of deaths, is nothing short of delusional and hypocritical.

And to use your terminology, is US foreign policy and militarism "radical fundamentalism"?

Or perhaps you cant see the crimes that are carried out in your name?

I suppose I would be confused as well in that scenario!
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you about American Imperialism, but I am condemning their actions. The attack was barbaric.
 
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