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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

It is absurd. I'm tired of this mantra of "oh terrorists are gonna get us, we have to curtail our freedom!". It's ridiculous. I'm not going to let terrorists dictate MY exercise of rights. Whether it be some guy making a movie, or being treated like a god damned human being at the airport or the government not spying on us without a warrant. But this behavior is seen on both sides, both sides are ridiculous and are looking to curtail my exercise of rights because they're afraid of some piss ant terrorists. And living in all this fear, look at what we've done to ourselves. We've succeeded in depriving ourselves of freedom to much greater degree than any terrorist organization could ever hope to accomplish.

It's time to stop being a bunch of ******s.

Yes. It is absurd. I was agreeing with you. But in this thread, what you are objecting to, and finding "absurd", is a mantra coming from the left. ;)
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Ah yes. The "she was dressed that way so she wanted to be raped" argument.

Amazing, isn't, that there are those who would rather we curb or restrict our right to free speech in order to appease those that would murder over a You Tube video. It took all of like three posts for this thread to become about Terry Jones. Unbelievable and sad. I hope the majority of this country, though quiet about it, know exactly where anger and fault deserve to lie.
 
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Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Personally, I think you are confusing the democrat party as a whole, with liberals, and many democrats are not actually liberals- merely mirror-opposites of those on the right who are authoritarian. You will find liberals among both democrats and republicans, and you will also find authoritarian-types on both sides of the aisle. It seems to be the authoritarians on the left who are predominantly at the forefront of the dem party currently.

It's all fascism. We want to deflect and say socialism this and that blah blah blah. But if you look at both parties, they are both about party control, restricted choices and closed down political competition, corporate capitalism, forever war, expansion of government, big brother policies, etc. Which is fascism, and it's time to call it what it is.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

That's not true. You immediately blamed a movie and told us all how the release of that movie excuses the violence.

I NEVER said the movie excusd anything.. The producer/directer said he KNEW the movie would cause riots.

Now it gets weirder... There is no record of Sam Bacile.

Sam Bacile claims he is an Israeli citizen, but Israel has NO record of his citizenship.

What We Know About Sam Bacile, The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie : The Two-Way : NPR
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Yes. It is absurd. I was agreeing with you. But in this thread, what you are objecting to, and finding "absurd", is a mantra coming from the left. ;)

No, I am objecting to the DNC platform has to having any relevancy in this discussion.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Personally, I think you are confusing the democrat party as a whole, with liberals, and many democrats are not actually liberals- merely mirror-opposites of those on the right who are authoritarian. You will find liberals among both democrats and republicans, and you will also find authoritarian-types on both sides of the aisle. It seems to be the authoritarians on the left who are predominantly at the forefront of the dem party currently.

When roughly half the delgates at the National Convention express their desire to take "God" out of the platform (as it had been deliberately removed), and not recognize Jerusalem ...........

.......... its a Democrat thing. ........ ;)
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

When roughly half the delgates at the National Convention express their desire to take "God" out of the platform (as it had been deliberately removed), and not recognize Jerusalem ...........

.......... its a Democrat thing. ........ ;)

Take god out of the platform, gods have nothing to do with politics. And Israel can care for its own damned self.

<--- Not a Democrat.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

No, I am objecting to the DNC platform has to having any relevancy in this discussion.

Its not the platform. Its the attitudes and beliefs of members towards two specific issues that illustrated the larger contempt for a Christian God, and for Israel.

And it is joined-at-the-hip with why you see the house-liberals here blaming the movie by the Jew.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I NEVER said the movie excusd anything.. The producer/directer said he KNEW the movie would cause riots.

Now it gets weirder... There is no record of Sam Bacile.

Sam Bacile claims he is an Israeli citizen, but Israel has NO record of his citizenship.

What We Know About Sam Bacile, The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie : The Two-Way : NPR



What does the Quran say about attacking innocents that did not bring any affront to Islam? So where are ALL those Muslims to bring down that Holy Fire upon their own?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Wait, isn't the Democrat party bragging about Bin Laden being dead and GM is alive? Any chance that might have had something to do with it? Consider how that looks from the other side. Obama is running for reelection, Biden goes out and shouts "Bin Laden is dead" to cheers from the crowd, and we wonder why this happened?

I have some reactions to this, but I don't think we've seen the last of it. I'm expecting more attacks in the come days. As far as I'm concerned Biden and Obama are at least partially responsible for this.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Take god out of the platform, gods have nothing to do with politics. And Israel can care for its own damned self.

<--- Not a Democrat.

You miss the point.

You are not a Democrat, and you are not blaming the movie-maker, and mitigating the acts of the Islamists. < -------- my point.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

It is absurd. I'm tired of this mantra of "oh terrorists are gonna get us, we have to curtail our freedom!". It's ridiculous. I'm not going to let terrorists dictate MY exercise of rights. Whether it be some guy making a movie, or being treated like a god damned human being at the airport or the government not spying on us without a warrant. But this behavior is seen on both sides, both sides are ridiculous and are looking to curtail my exercise of rights because they're afraid of some piss ant terrorists. And living in all this fear, look at what we've done to ourselves. We've succeeded in depriving ourselves of freedom to much greater degree than any terrorist organization could ever hope to accomplish.

It's time to stop being a bunch of ******s.

Totally agree. FISA renewal vote probably coming during lame duck

Spread The Word
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

No, I am objecting to the DNC platform has to having any relevancy in this discussion.

If the DNC claimed that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel, I believe that would qualify as boosting terrorist hopes. Given that the DNC is likely to take control of the white house, I could see terrorists being pretty happy about such a position.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Its not the platform. Its the attitudes and beliefs of members towards two specific issues that illustrated the larger contempt for a Christian God, and for Israel.

And it is joined-at-the-hip with why you see the house-liberals here blaming the movie by the Jew.

Yes, they are throwing out their propaganda to excuse government force against our right to free speech. Just like the right throws out its propaganda to excuse government force against our other rights.

Here's the point. We cannot afford any longer to look at this as a Left vs Right problem. This is a Government vs Freedom problem and if all we do is point fingers at the other side, we are going to find ourselves slaves upon the land our forefathers conquered.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

If the DNC claimed that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel, I believe that would qualify as boosting terrorist hopes. Given that the DNC is likely to take control of the white house, I could see terrorists being pretty happy about such a position.

I don't really think terrorists are sitting around in their living room watching the RNC/DNC and cheering/booing.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I don't really think terrorists are sitting around in their living room watching the RNC/DNC and cheering/booing.

Claiming that Israel no longer has a capital is pretty fkd up, let alone it was done by one of our major parties and the holders of the white house (and that they will probably win it again, according to polls). I'm sure terrorists would use such a position (representing ~50% of the US) to their advantage in regard to recruiting and brainwashing.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Claiming that Israel no longer has a capital is pretty fkd up. And I'm sure terrorists would use such a position to their advantage in regard to recruiting and brainwashing.

Our decades of interventionism in the Middle East fuels their recruiting and brainwashing well more than the Democrats platform and some words.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Obama has now increased security for Installations World Wide.....and is sending Drones into Benghazi. Evidently he has figured it out that the Attacked was now planned.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I NEVER said the movie excusd anything.. The producer/directer said he KNEW the movie would cause riots.

Now it gets weirder... There is no record of Sam Bacile.

Sam Bacile claims he is an Israeli citizen, but Israel has NO record of his citizenship.

What We Know About Sam Bacile, The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie : The Two-Way : NPR

What differnce does it make?

I don't care if the cat is Rhodesian. It doesn't take away from the fact that American were attacked and killed.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Our decades of interventionism in the Middle East fuels their recruiting and brainwashing well more than the Democrats platform and some words.

If they hadn't already been acting like assholes, we wouldn't have to intervene.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

What differnce does it make?

I don't care if the cat is Rhodesian. It doesn't take away from the fact that American were attacked and killed.

We also have several people on the run and unaccounted for. The Marines are coming from Spain and will be in Tripoli shortly.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Yes, they are throwing out their propaganda to excuse government force against our right to free speech. Just like the right throws out its propaganda to excuse government force against our other rights.

Here's the point. We cannot afford any longer to look at this as a Left vs Right problem. This is a Government vs Freedom problem and if all we do is point fingers at the other side, we are going to find ourselves slaves upon the land our forefathers conquered.

It is a Left vs. Right problem. Obama is currently the greatest enemy to my freedom, and the freedom of my children, in all the world. Behind him comes Kagan and Sotomayor, and Napolitano and Holder.

The closest "Rightie" of any consequence is way down the list right now.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

An Israeli filmmaker based in California who made a movie belittling Islam’s prophet Muhammad that has ignited Middle East riots and led to the death of the U.S. ambassador in Libya

U.S. ambassador killed; California man behind anti-Islam film hides - latimes.com

And, Sam Bacile claims he is an Israeli citizen, but Israel has NO record of his citizenship.

What We Know About Sam Bacile, The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie : The Two-Way : NPR
 
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