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Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

MMC said:
Thats what usually happens when one is in a corner. ;) NP take ya time! :)
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Uh, no: that's what happens when everybody talks at once.

Nice try.
 
jet57 said:
Oh yes it does. Just because you don't like it and are misinformed on it (as are most antiunion people) means nothing to it. Tenure will always be around. They have it at non union schools too you know. Same protections.
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It's a stupid protection.
Someone being allowed to keep their job, just because they haven't broken the law, comes with all kinds of moral hazard.
Hell, all they have to do is show up, no teaching required.

What an awesome gig, no work, but can't get fired.

jet57 said:
Teachers have nothing to do with phony mortgages and mismanagment of funds. This "take control of spending" nonsense is a dodge.
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Teachers pay comes from city resources, if the city can't afford things, guess who gets cut......
 
Federalist said:
Perhaps that is the nub of the problem. Maybe they should be.

I'm sure in Soviet Russia lots of people said, "Grocery stores are not a business and shouldn't be treated as such." And then they wondered why the food sucked and there were always bread lines.
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Oh dude; c'mon . . "Soviet Russia". You're just anti-union, uninformed and you have nothing credible with which to make a case.
 
MaggieD said:
Yes, they should be. Any business who showed the poor results that CPS has shown would be out of business and another, with a better sense of what's required to succeed, would open in its place.
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Now, Maggie: you know better than that. Chicago is one tough town, and anyone that thinks that the kids there are not under real presure everyday that affects everything they do, then they are kidding themselves. Trying to blame this on teachers is just the usual party line dodge.
 
The Man said:
They don't even have to have an advanced degree, just a bachelors degree.
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A BA is an advanced degree. A masters or a PhD is really nothing more than a guarantee of a job when you're looking.
 
jet57 said:
A BA is an advanced degree. A masters or a PhD is really nothing more than a guarantee of a job when you're looking.
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False. A Bachelors is a college degree, not an advanced degree. A Masters and PhD are examples of advanced degrees.
 
jet57 said:
A BA is an advanced degree. A masters or a PhD is really nothing more than a guarantee of a job when you're looking.
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A BA isn't an "advanced degree."
 
TurtleDude said:
In a way you are right but not for the reasons you probably believe

if a private school spends more than it takes in-it goes bankrupt unless it raises its revenue through tuition or gifts

when a public school spends more than it takes in, the government gives it more money or takes it over
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But the schools aren't spending more than they're taking in: the teachers have to make up the difference out of pocket. That's been the norm for some years now. The problem is, education is not a priority in this country. Schools nationwide have been getting short shrift and what's happened is that teachers are finally fed up with it; that's what's going on here. Isay; if you can't suport teachers then you are not for education. Teachers have no reson to lie about anything, up to and including the reason they decide to do something like strike.
 
jet57 said:
A BA is an advanced degree. A masters or a PhD is really nothing more than a guarantee of a job when you're looking.
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Oh, really?

You don't know what you're talking about. FYI, holding a terminal degree can often make you "overqualified" and therefore less likely to find a job.
 
Camlon said:
Wages should be based on the market demand, not what we think they deserve.
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Why? I think pay should be a mixture of demand and what is deserved.
 
The Man said:
False. A Bachelors is a college degree, not an advanced degree. A Masters and PhD are examples of advanced degrees.
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eeeeehhhhhheaeeeaaahhhh; okay.
 
jet57 said:
But the schools aren't spending more than they're taking in: the teachers have to make up the difference out of pocket. That's been the norm for some years now. The problem is, education is not a priority in this country. Schools nationwide have been getting short shrift and what's happened is that teachers are finally fed up with it; that's what's going on here. Isay; if you can't suport teachers then you are not for education. Teachers have no reson to lie about anything, up to and including the reason they decide to do something like strike.
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I support teachers to the fullest. I hate teachers unions though, and despise them to the fullest, just as I do any public sector union.
 
The Man said:
So, paying more and more money to the teachers will reduce that $700 million shortfall?
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Oh brother. Cleaning up the holes that they have will go a lot toward getting a better machine. The city has it let it go long enough.
 
The Man said:
False. Their SALARIES are $75K average. Not total compensation packages. Total compensation packages are much much higher than that.



Is this your way of saying that you can't tell me how I'm wrong?
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You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
The Man said:
False. A Bachelors is a college degree, not an advanced degree. A Masters and PhD are examples of advanced degrees.
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Yes, they are.
 
jet57 said:
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Okay, that's it. I've been rather following your exchanges for a while here. You quite obviously do not know what you're talking about.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, really?

You don't know what you're talking about. FYI, holding a terminal degree can often make you "overqualified" and therefore less likely to find a job.
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Tell that to all those PhDs in community colleges.
 
The Man said:
I support teachers to the fullest. I hate teachers unions though, and despise them to the fullest, just as I do any public sector union.
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So, therefore, your opinions mean nothing as your thinking is so skewed as to make debate useless: thanks.
 
Originally Posted by jet57
Oh yes it does. Just because you don't like it and are misinformed on it (as are most antiunion people) means nothing to it. Tenure will always be around. They have it at non union schools too you know. Same protections.


What did you think people only have to deal with School Unions? That they are just misinformed when it comes to Unions and Collective Bargaining. Do you always generalize that way when it comes to the kids as well? Seems you have told many.....how informed they are. Despite having the smack down over this was done for the Kids sake! Despite the UNION REP changing up what she stated Nationally.
 
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