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Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

The 16% number came from Rahm Emanuel's press conference last night. It takes into account the whole of the four-year contract.

Ok...then I take back totally what I said...about them walking out...I dont know enough about it...thanks mag
 
Read Scarlet Letter, didn't much like it. How about Tale of Two Cities? Hated that book, too, though, lol. I liked American Pastoral, though. Actually, I kinda like ALL of Phillip Roth's novels....although I think he's likely a horrible person in real life.

A Tale of Two Cities would most likely be above 8th grade level. I never read it, so it's just a guess.
 
Doesnt matter if you consider this a Fraud or Not. Does this change the way the State looks at it and the City of Chicago?

Because my wifes school made Ayp in Math but not Reading. Plus this does not stop those teachers from passing kids who clearly will be behind going into the next grade!

A school who starts out with very low scores has lots of room to make AYP if they sho improvement even if it is still relatively low. A school which has much higher base year scores will have it much harder to continue to make AYP even though they are doing a better job on the scores than the first school.

Does that make sense to you?
 
OK, according to their own budget



This is non capital expenditure.

They have 404,151 students...

which means total per student non-capital expenditure is 5,110,000,000/404,151= 12,643.79

This lower expenditure is because of a $712,000,000 deficit... there are still plenty of good schools that can be had with a 10K/student tuition.

Those numbers are radically different than your Young republicans site.
 
A school who starts out with very low scores has lots of room to make AYP if they sho improvement even if it is still relatively low. A school which has much higher base year scores will have it much harder to continue to make AYP even though they are doing a better job on the scores than the first school.

Does that make sense to you?

I don't think that's how it works, haymarket. AYP is a set percentage (like 80% of your students need to meet or exceed at reading, math, etc.) The school starting way low (like only 45% of them met or exceeded in the past year) is gonna have a helluva time trying to jump up to 80%. The school who has 75% of their kids meeting or exceeding isn't going to have such a hard time getting there.
 
A Tale of Two Cities would most likely be above 8th grade level. I never read it, so it's just a guess.

Don't read it, it's very boring. As I remember it, anyway. Sometimes, things get better when you get older, though. Kinda like bourbon. I first tried bourbon when I was 21. Hated it. Thought it was foul liquid, and much prefer captain morgans.


Now, I hate the captain, and LOVE Maker's Mark.

Might be time to try another pass at Tale of Two Cities...
 
Those numbers are radically different than your Young republicans site.

those are ONLY operational expenditures... not capital which is a different budget, and there are a few other expenditures not included in this budget... I am still digging.

and not too far off from the operational expenditures that were in the YR site

■Operational Expenditure Per Pupil: $13,078

and here is the $13,078... from the CPS website

http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-glance/pages/stats_and_facts.aspx

again there are other additional budgets at play, so I will continue digging
 
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Anyway, back to the "functionally illiterate" thing.... a person who is functionally illiterate cannot do very simple things like reading an application for employment, reading a driver's ed test, etc. You don't need to be reading on an 8th grade level to read basic stuff. Most things aren't written on a high level.
 
I don't think that's how it works, haymarket. AYP is a set percentage (like 80% of your students need to meet or exceed at reading, math, etc.) The school starting way low (like only 45% of them met or exceeded in the past year) is gonna have a helluva time trying to jump up to 80%. The school who has 75% of their kids meeting or exceeding isn't going to have such a hard time getting there.

That is how it works. Your first year of measurement is your baseline year. You then have to make a certain percentage of progress in subsequent years over that baseline figure.

The school which begins low has the advantage over the school who starts high.

For example, lets say your baseline score is just a miserable 10% for school A. Another school B has a starting figure of 50% which is incredibly higher than A. Let us say that you have to improve by a factor of 5% to make AYP. Which one has the easier task ahead of them given room for improvement.

Now lets say school A makes AYP because they double scores up to a level of 20%. The school B stands pat and fails to make any additional progress holding at 50%. They fail to show any progress.

Which school do you want your kids to attend?
 
Anyway, back to the "functionally illiterate" thing.... a person who is functionally illiterate cannot do very simple things like reading an application for employment, reading a driver's ed test, etc. You don't need to be reading on an 8th grade level to read basic stuff. Most things aren't written on a high level.

No, but at the amount that is paid, on average across the country, is that really the goal you would set? Functionally literate?

On the contrary, property owners pay near college tuition amounts per student, should we not demand a better result, than functionally literate?
 
The only thing you're missing here is that the committee that put the evaluation together was representative of both sides of the table. They agreed on an evaluation. And now CTU is sitting tight about agreeing to it...on a trial basis. Now. Tell me what sense that makes?

Rahm Emanuel said there is some system of teacher evaluation in place right now -- totally ineffective -- that's been in place for forty years. If you know something different, post your link.

Pleas post a link on the current (and no longer on the table, btw) merit pay system discussed by the union and CPS. If you have facts, please post them. If you have heresay, you're pickin' up what the union is puttin' down.

PS -- BTW, I completely agree with you about vocational classes. That kind of thing, imo, is what the teacher's union should be clamoring about. Not art. Not music. ​Vocational Classes!! A program to help these kids, you know, actually earn a living.

All I know is that, according to the union the merit pay system is still an issue of contention. I don't know the history behind this system. I have been evaluated using the current "40 year old" system but I have no idea how they evaluated me to be honest.

And my take on the current merit based system that it seems they have put in place is not based on hearsay, or on what the union is putting down, but on my own first hand experience. I COMPLETELY understand why people feel there should be a merit based system put in place, but I worry about what that system would actually look like. I think it is likely that it will just be something for people to game for their own benefit and will not result in anything positive for students.
 
That is how it works. Your first year of measurement is your baseline year. You then have to make a certain percentage of progress in subsequent years over that baseline figure.

The school which begins low has the advantage over the school who starts high.

For example, lets say your baseline score is just a miserable 10% for school A. Another school B has a starting figure of 80% which is incredibly high. Let us say that you have to improve by a factor of 5% to make AYP. Which one has the easier task ahead of them given room for improvement.

Now lets say school A makes AYP because they double scores up to a level of 20%. The school B stands pat and fails to make any additional progress holding at 80%. They fail to show any progress.

Which school do you want your kids to attend?

Again, I don't think that's how it works. School A wouldn't make AYP because they didn't meet the goal of 80% meeting or exceeding. School B would make AYP if AYP for that year is 80%. Remember, it's progressing every year until "No Child is Left Behind" (i.e. 100% meeting or exceeding).

Our school doesn't even talk about the scores anymore every year because we already know that there's no way in Hades we can get to that high of a percentage of our students meeting or exceeding.
 
Tell you what.....start teaching those kids about Money, Checking, Credit Cards, Interest Rates, paying bills, dealing with a household budget and taxes. I think you will see a Major Improvement in Math and Reading. Also with a sharp contrast to what they have now.
 
Long-term, sure. Private markets do this day in day out, and it improves overall market performance.

There are many states that do not have a union workforce and they are no better in terms of student achievement.
 
All I know is that, according to the union the merit pay system is still an issue of contention. I don't know the history behind this system. I have been evaluated using the current "40 year old" system but I have no idea how they evaluated me to be honest.

And my take on the current merit based system that it seems they have put in place is not based on hearsay, or on what the union is putting down, but on my own first hand experience. I COMPLETELY understand why people feel there should be a merit based system put in place, but I worry about what that system would actually look like. I think it is likely that it will just be something for people to game for their own benefit and will not result in anything positive for students.

If this thread is about the teacher strike, then discussions of merit pay belong somewhere else. I mean, no offense, but it's confusing to others because merit pay is not included in Chicago Public Schools' offer to the union. The union doesn't want merit pay. And CPS doesn't care; they're fine without it...for now.
 
I see so it is the parents fault then... to a certain extent I agree with that... but a teacher has to be able to motivate their class... and if they cannot dropouts become an issue

That is quite the assumption that does not cover how the majority of students are able to graduate. An almost linear relationship exists between graduation rates and parents income levels (among other variables like race, and divorce). Other factors such as social integration are said to play a role; however it is difficult to quantify social status. All available evidence points to growing up in a tough situation as being the most distinguishable factor.
 
Again, I don't think that's how it works. School A wouldn't make AYP because they didn't meet the goal of 80% meeting or exceeding. School B would make AYP if AYP for that year is 80%. Remember, it's progressing every year until "No Child is Left Behind" (i.e. 100% meeting or exceeding).

Our school doesn't even talk about the scores anymore every year because we already know that there's no way in Hades we can get to that high of a percentage of our students meeting or exceeding.

School A is making annual progress and its scores are improving. School B is not.

I retired seven years ago and was only there for the first year of the process. So perhaps you know your schools situation far better than I do. I distinctly remember our school made no effort at all to get those first year scores in a good positive number area because we wanted to have room to improve. I thought that was fraudulent.
 
Just how did Munster School get to be a 4 Star School(until they stopped that) and one of the Tops in the Country?

Exceptionally high property taxes!
 
Exceptionally high property taxes!

True Dat!
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But then Munster doesnt have a Mayor and is Republican Town too.
 
I notice that the usual ardent proponents of unions are not present in this thread. I find their absence speaks far more than they every could with mere words, were they to participate here.

Let no one, NO ONE, say that a teacher's job is easy, first and foremost. You think it's easy, I call BS, and say you've simply never done it before. It's only easy if you don't care, and have no pride. I've taught, but not in a classroom like at school...but for the Boy Scouts. It's not easy.

Let no one, NO ONE, say that teachers don't care about their students. I simply don't believe that's true. I know too many teachers, in my personal life, to make such a claim, and actually believe.

Let ANYONE say, however, that a teacher's UNION...cares not one tiny shred about a student, any student, nor for the people paying the salaries of the union members. This is the part where the collective truly does bring out the absolute worst in otherwise good people. Where the mob turns good men and women into little more thanb savages, metaphorically speaking.

The teachers union is made up of teachers! The very BEST teacher in my first school left the job to work for the union. He most definitely knows what he is doing and has students' best interest involve. The teachers union and the teachers are NOT separate. They are one and the same.
 
The teachers union is made up of teachers! The very BEST teacher in my first school left the job to work for the union. He most definitely knows what he is doing and has students' best interest involve. The teachers union and the teachers are NOT separate. They are one and the same.

Heh. Didn't have YOU'RE best interests at heart, did he? Or did he believe that he needed to leave to make room for someone BETTER to come teach you?
 
True Dat!
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But then Munster doesnt have a Mayor and is Republican Town too.

So are other strong public school systems like Valparaiso, Chesterton, and St. John. It has nothing to do with partisan politics! It is all about income levels. Children who come from wealthy families are 7 times less likely to drop out than children who come from poor families.
 
Education blows, working conditions for teachers blow, there is not enough funding to make effective schools.
 
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