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Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

Draft the teachers into the army, then at least they will be eligible for combat pay.
 
They move to the suburbs out of the inner cities. Its used to be called "white flight" when racial motivated. Now it is for taxes, less regulations if a business and for better schools. And there are LOTS of rich in Alabama and Mississippi. But they also stay out of the spotlight.

Actually there's a large move by young professionals back into downtown areas. The whole move to the suburbs demographi trend is starting to reverse.
 
It appears that every level of school along the way just passes the buck.

They did more than Pass it a way.....

In July, leaders of the cash-starved Chicago Public Schools reluctantly returned $34 million in federal grant money targeted to develop a merit pay system for public school teachers.

CPS officials had no choice. The federal money came with strings attached: CPS needed Chicago Teachers Union buy-in to develop the merit pay system. CTU President Karen Lewis refused. "We don't believe in merit pay," she said.


CPS needs a merit pay system for teachers - Chicago Tribune
 
So? Two more incorrect citations plus one incorrect citation still equals an incorrect citation.

Chicago Public Schools : Stats and facts

Maggie; honey those are total packages, not salary. Your same source says that administrators make $120,000. Now it's the same broke school district, with the same problems. So, that's okay with you?
 
Maggie; honey those are total packages, not salary. Your same source says that administrators make $120,000. Now it's the same broke school district, with the same problems. So, that's okay with you?

Jet57, Babe!! (Hey, I kinda' like that!!) No, it's not okay with me. Your assumptions are just as incorrect as your sources. My source is Chicago Public Schools. Your sources are incorrect. And so are your assumptions. But, proceed. Don't let facts get in your way.
 
Jet57, Babe!! (Hey, I kinda' like that!!) No, it's not okay with me. Your assumptions are just as incorrect as your sources. My source is Chicago Public Schools. Your sources are incorrect. And so are your assumptions. But, proceed. Don't let facts get in your way.

My sources are just as valid. Don't forget that "the public school site" is the board version . . . it's showing total package costs, which on a $54,000 salary is about right: remember, health care is god awful expensive. Pension contributions are bult up over a many year period as well.

But Maggie; just look at the obvious thing: after 25 years, the Chicago teachers just wake up one morning an decide to be jerks?? No, as always there's much more going on here than that. The mayor wanted to just open up the contract and just start cutting: that's how negotiations have been.
 
Jet57, Babe!! (Hey, I kinda' like that!!) No, it's not okay with me. Your assumptions are just as incorrect as your sources. My source is Chicago Public Schools. Your sources are incorrect. And so are your assumptions. But, proceed. Don't let facts get in your way.

So are the Independant Sources. ;)

But I do think 50 some K is for other Illinois Teachers.
 
My sources are just as valid. Don't forget that "the public school site" is the board version . . . it's showing total package costs, which on a $54,000 salary is about right: remember, health care is god awful expensive. Pension contributions are bult up over a many year period as well.

But Maggie; just look at the obvious thing: after 25 years, the Chicago teachers just wake up one morning an decide to be jerks?? No, as always there's much more going on here than that. The mayor wanted to just open up the contract and just start cutting: that's how negotiations have been.

But I didnt see the 7% Pension Pick Up with yours......

But that's including the seven-percent "pension pickup," which comes from the Board of Education: it's compensation, obviously, but not money teachers get right now.....snip!
 
But I didnt see the 7% Pension Pick Up with yours......

But that's including the seven-percent "pension pickup," which comes from the Board of Education: it's compensation, obviously, but not money teachers get right now.....snip!

What are you trying to say? Pension contributions are negotable as well.
 
How do I do my part as a chef to produce a steak dinner when you as the owner of the restaurant only provide me with hamburger and a small stove with which to cook for an entire room of people.

This isn't about the tools of the trade, it's about teachers who are making 75k per year, wanting more for themselves.
 
What are you trying to say? Pension contributions are negotable as well.

That may be the case.....but the 7% isn't included in your links. Which it was In Maggies and the Chicago 312.
 
Moreover Lewis has already stated CPS is against merit pay.....plus now it would seem the Evaluation process. Which again there has been no research that CPS will lose 30% of their Workforce.
 
That may be the case.....but the 7% isn't included in your links. Which it was In Maggies and the Chicago 312.

salary and packages are two different numbers that include different areas of compensation. The teachers take home an average of $54,000 a year; not $75,000, that the entire point. So a hair plus or minus in any direction doesn't matter.
 
Moreover Lewis has already stated CPS is against merit pay.....plus now it would seem the Evaluation process. Which again there has been no research that CPS will lose 30% of their Workforce.

Teachers have everything to gain and absolutely nothing to lose (except public opinion) when they strike. The school year is lengthened...they lose not a dime. That's one of the myriad problems I have with teacher strikes.
 
Teachers have everything to gain and absolutely nothing to lose (except public opinion) when they strike. The school year is lengthened...they lose not a dime. That's one of the myriad problems I have with teacher strikes.

Teachers are not paid when they're on the line. So they lose everything for every day they're out there.

I don't like teacher's strikes either. In fact I hate them. Unions don't strike however becasue they think it's a good idea at the time.
 
salary and packages are two different numbers that include different areas of compensation. The teachers take home an average of $54,000 a year; not $75,000, that the entire point. So a hair plus or minus in any direction doesn't matter.

Well Independant sources said 69k. Plus it does not change the facts about the Shortest hours in the Nation, that CPS is against Merit pay. Plus now cites faulty stats on how much of their workforce they will lose over the evaluation process. Also what about the bonus' at the end of the year?

Which even Emanuel has said would not go into affect until they saw what came from this next year. Wherein Teachers would be able to put in their own imput into their own evaluation. Then wherein there is a common ground that can be defined. Yet CPS doesnt even want to consider this.
 
Teachers are not paid when they're on the line. So they lose everything for every day they're out there.

I don't like teacher's strikes either. In fact I hate them. Unions don't strike however becasue they think it's a good idea at the time.

Helloooooo...teachers have to make up those days at the end of...or during...the school year. They'll get paid for those make-up days when they make them up.
 
Helloooooo...teachers have to make up those days at the end of...or during...the school year. They'll get paid for those make-up days when they make them up.

Oh honey, I know thaaaat. But the point is; while they're out on the line, they're on their own. If anything, admin is going to make more because they get paid now and over the course of the extention too.
 
Teachers are not paid when they're on the line. So they lose everything for every day they're out there.

I don't like teacher's strikes either. In fact I hate them. Unions don't strike however becasue they think it's a good idea at the time.

They will not lose a dime because when the strike is over, the school year will start and consist of the same number of school days as it would have if there were no strike at all.
 
They will not lose a dime because when the strike is over, the school year will start and consist of the same number of school days as it would have if there were no strike at all.

You're not readng my posts.
 
And that is exactly the kind of travesty the unions should be addressing . . . if it's really about the children. And we both know it's not. They are merely the pawns used as a means to an end.

When I was very active in the union and the Chair of all the high school representing nearly 2,000 members - we constantly pushed for such action only to be told we must limit ourselves to wages, benefits, hours and working conditions for teachers. Everything else was the province of the administration and we were simply told which field we must pick the cotton in.
 
And there is the rub. A teacher can only work with the students they are given. In my high school where I taught, we gave all incoming ninth graders a math test to see where they were according to grade level skills so they could take mandated Algebra I. In an average class of 35 kids, the scores ranged all the way from second grade to tenth grade. The distribution was far from even with the average being around fifth grade. The vast vast vast majority of the 35 were not anywhere near grade level in basic arithmetic skills needed to handle Algebra.

But now the administration says - teach them Algebra... here is your classroom .... here are your books ... here is your paycheck for doing this job.

What is missing from the recipe?
What's missing is the ability of the parents to cancel their contract with that crappy school and shop for a school that can do a better job of educating their kid.
 
What's missing is the ability of the parents to cancel their contract with that crappy school and shop for a school that can do a better job of educating their kid.

Same kid.
Same years behind.
Same lack of skills.
 
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