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Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

DiAnna said:
So you post a link with minimal information, then research hell out of the incident and the guy in question so you can use it to shut everyone else down. Got it! :lol:
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Yep. That was my goal all along. How did you Holmes in on it so fast?!?

I posted the thread because this happened so shortly after the empire and batman shootings and then looked around for more information because few links have it all in one place.

As a standard practice, it is always a good idea to look for info beyond a single MSM source.
 
Furiounova said:
Batman shooting

Empire state

Nj supermarket

Out of recent memory not including the ones I've not read or heard about.

If you don't like the word epidemic then let's call it a problem with a really high rate of frequency.
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The Empire State building shooting wasn't really a mass murder. The shooter killed one guy, and was then killed by the police. The only reason 9 bystanders were injured was carelessness on the part of the NYPD.

Something like this happens in my tri-county region every few weeks, (ie man shoots other man, police kill shooter)... but WITHOUT the injured bystanders since OUR police are competent marksmen. :mrgreen: Doesn't usually make nat'l news.

The NJ supermarket... okay fine I'll grant you it TECHNICALLY meets the definition of "mass murder" in that two people were murdered (plus one suicide), but this is a relatively minor one... again, stuff very similar to that has happened in the local region and never made national news several times in years past.

Of your three examples only the Batman theater massacre was really a major event.


Like I said... overhyped.
 
Goshin said:
The Empire State building shooting wasn't really a mass murder. The shooter killed one guy, and was then killed by the police. The only reason 9 bystanders were injured was carelessness on the part of the NYPD.

Something like this happens in my tri-county region every few weeks, (ie man shoots other man, police kill shooter)... but WITHOUT the injured bystanders since OUR police are competent marksmen. :mrgreen: Doesn't usually make nat'l news.

The NJ supermarket... okay fine I'll grant you it TECHNICALLY meets the definition of "mass murder" in that two people were murdered (plus one suicide), but this is a relatively minor one... again, stuff very similar to that has happened in the local region and never made national news several times in years past.

Of your three examples only the Batman theater massacre was really a major event.


Like I said... overhyped.
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I stopped reading your post with the first sentence because I never said anything about a mass murder. Social terrorism doesn't require mass murder to happen.

Let me know when you remove that straw man so I can continue reading your post.
 
Furiounova said:
I stopped reading your post with the first sentence because I never said anything about a mass murder. Social terrorism doesn't require mass murder to happen.

Let me know when you remove that straw man so I can continue reading your post.
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Okay, so we've established that "social terrorism" is determined by "whatever Furinova SAYS is social terrorism". Glad you cleared that up.
 
Goshin said:
Okay, so we've established that "social terrorism" is determined by "whatever Furinova SAYS is social terrorism". Glad you cleared that up.
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The ol' "cause I said so" debate school, never heard of it G? Yeah, me neither.
 
Goshin said:
Okay, so we've established that "social terrorism" is determined by "whatever Furinova SAYS is social terrorism". Glad you cleared that up.
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Yet another straw man.

Do you have the integrity to admit I never said it was mass murder?
 
LaMidRighter said:
The ol' "cause I said so" debate school, never heard of it G? Yeah, me neither.
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That isn't my position at all. This is how I define social terrorism:

Deadly attacks targeting known or unknown persons where the only goal is murder and location is a public one.
 
Furiounova said:
That isn't my position at all. This is how I define social terrorism:

Deadly attacks targeting known or unknown persons where the only goal is murder and location is a public one.
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Well that would cover a hell of a lot of killings, since many murders are done for personal reasons rather than money.


Lots of luck with that. I'm bored and going to wander off and look at something else.
 
Goshin said:
Well that would cover a hell of a lot of killings, since many murders are done for personal reasons rather than money.


Lots of luck with that. I'm bored and going to wander off and look at something else.
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It doesn't cover as much as you think it does. Show us where it can be applied to situations other than the definition I gave.
 
Furiounova said:
That isn't my position at all. This is how I define social terrorism:

Deadly attacks targeting known or unknown persons where the only goal is murder and location is a public one.
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"How I define" you say? Pssst, it's not what YOU think, it's what laws say.
 
Furiounova said:
It doesn't look like you dont understand my position at all.

I'm saying these acts of social terrorism happen more frequently than what the MSM has been reporting.
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You said these events were "increasing." If not for the media coverage, on what basis do you make this claim?


I'm saying these acts of social terrorism have common factors even though the backgrounds of the perps can widely vary.
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And what are those "common factors"?
 
Furiounova said:
That isn't my position at all. This is how I define social terrorism:

Deadly attacks targeting known or unknown persons where the only goal is murder and location is a public one.
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If 'social' is synonymous with domestic, you're incorrect.

Terrorism is defined as:

“the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”
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Domestic terrorism is defined as:

"...the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."
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Source:

 
Goshin said:
Okay, so we've established that "social terrorism" is determined by "whatever Furinova SAYS is social terrorism". Glad you cleared that up.
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The only definition of "social terrorism" can be found in Urban Dictionary:

When someone you know comes to visit unexpectedly and inconveniently, often staying for a long time, and you can't tell them to leave without being rude.
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Other sources on the internet demonstrate that it's just a made up term to be used as loosely as possible.
 
Surtr said:
The only definition of "social terrorism" can be found in Urban Dictionary:



Other sources on the internet demonstrate that it's just a made up term to be used as loosely as possible.
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dang i was just about to post that too why did you have to beat me to it:soap

Urban Dictionary: Social Terrorism
 
Harshaw said:
You said these events were "increasing." If not for the media coverage, on what basis do you make this claim?




And what are those "common factors"?
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Shooting statistics show the increase when you remove the count for robberies, traditional murder, and of course there is that tool of observation that does not rely solely on the media for information.

Are you really unaware how this is a unique American problem?
 
Surtr said:
The only definition of "social terrorism" can be found in Urban Dictionary:



Other sources on the internet demonstrate that it's just a made up term to be used as loosely as possible.
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How does my use of a fairly new term mean it is not legitimate?
 
Furiounova said:
I'm not using social as synonymous with domestic and I've already pointed out the attackers do not have any political or social goal.
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Social terrorism isn't an actual term, though. That wouldn't be considered terrorism even if you throw the word social in front of it.
 
Furiounova said:
Shooting statistics show the increase when you remove the count for robberies, traditional murder, and of course there is that tool of observation that does not rely solely on the media for information.
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Oh, so, when you remove the things you like in order to get the result you want.

Are you really unaware how this is a unique American problem?
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Distraction. Has nothing to do with anything I said. But when you make stuff up to talk about what you want rather than what is, I guess that's what you have to do.
 
Furiounova said:
Are you really unaware how this is a unique American problem?
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BS. Norway shooter. Britain has a had a couple too. Nor is it unknown in other countries... google "phillipines" and "amok".
 
Furiounova said:
I didn't know we were only allowed to post legal definitions.
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What you're allowed to do, and what will cause most of the rest of us to either take you seriously, or else NOT take you seriously, are seperate issues. At present, well....
 
Furiounova said:
Shooting statistics show the increase when you remove the count for robberies, traditional murder, and of course there is that tool of observation that does not rely solely on the media for information.

Are you really unaware how this is a unique American problem?
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maybe you shouldlearn to use google,incidents like these happen in europe and canada also,and they are not unique to the us in any way.
 
Furiounova said:
Are you really unaware how this is a unique American problem?
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The United States has less homicides (with firearms) than:

  • Colombia
  • El Salvador
  • Jamaica
  • Honduras
  • Guatemala
  • Swaziland
  • South Africa
  • Panama
  • Brazil
  • Mexico
  • Philippines
  • Estonia
  • Paraguay
  • Nicaragua
  • Northern Ireland
  • Zimbabwe

And the majority of mass murder takes place in the middle-east, not the United States.
 
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