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Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

Connery said:
How could you be so sure?
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Craziness explains actions to a point. As a leader of a nation, there would have to be a significant reward for such a risk. There is no reward except for a global nuclear war which brings no gain even to him other than maybe infamy if the world continues to exist. Nuclear weapons are a power statement. That's why we have them. We aren't gonna use them anytime soon and we really want to get rid of them
 
TheLastIndependent said:
They aren't gonna do anything with the weapons!!!!
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Let's cut to the chase.............even without those weapons Iran has already stated they have targets they would attack, not, because they were threats either.
"Iran: We Can Hit 35 US Bases in 'Minutes'"

"Brig. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force, told reporters the U.S. has 35 bases around Iran and all are "within the reach of our missiles" and could be hit "in the early minutes after an attack," according to an English-language report from Iran's semi-official Fars News Agency. The bases were no threat but instead an "opportunity" for the Iranian military, Hajizadeh said according to Fars "....
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Iran: We Can Hit 35 US Bases in 'Minutes' - ABC News
 
TheLastIndependent said:
Craziness explains actions to a point. As a leader of a nation, there would have to be a significant reward for such a risk. There is no reward except for a global nuclear war which brings no gain even to him other than maybe infamy if the world continues to exist. Nuclear weapons are a power statement. That's why we have them. We aren't gonna use them anytime soon and we really want to get rid of them
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You keep assuming these people are rational. I fear that that's a mistake.
 
Connery said:
Let's cut to the chase.............even without those weapons Iran has already stated they have targets they would attack, not, because they were threats either.



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Iran: We Can Hit 35 US Bases in 'Minutes' - ABC News
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Okay. And we can hit Iran in a ,atter of minutes and Russia can hit them just before us and by that time India has already hit them a number of times. Your point?
 
LowDown said:
You keep assuming these people are rational. I fear that that's a mistake.
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They don't have to be rational as long as they are greedy. They won't do anything unless it will be beneficial to them and attacking Israel will not
 
TheLastIndependent said:
Craziness explains actions to a point. As a leader of a nation, there would have to be a significant reward for such a risk. There is no reward except for a global nuclear war which brings no gain even to him other than maybe infamy if the world continues to exist. Nuclear weapons are a power statement. That's why we have them. We aren't gonna use them anytime soon and we really want to get rid of them
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This reasoning is not sufficient, nor , does not it speak to the mind set of a Iran, more it speaks to rational thinking
 
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LowDown said:
You keep assuming these people are rational. I fear that that's a mistake.
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Exactly. Some here seem to equate Iran's nuclear arsenal with the Cold War Soviet Union's arsenal ... that they can be contained the same way... what they can not comprehend is that now, in the case of the Iranian Regime, we are dealing with fundamentalists religious fanatics.


Big difference
 
TheLastIndependent said:
Okay. And we can hit Iran in a ,atter of minutes and Russia can hit them just before us and by that time India has already hit them a number of times. Your point?
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Point is targeting, "bases were no threat but instead an "opportunity" for the Iranian military" is not rational thinking but more like a threat .
 
TheLastIndependent said:
They don't have to be rational as long as they are greedy. They won't do anything unless it will be beneficial to them and attacking Israel will not
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Sigh. You don't seem to get the Jihadist mentality. The will of god is paramount to them, not greed. The only thing they are greedy for is the virgins promised to them as a Martyr. They will gladly sacrifice not only themselves but their families, their children. There is no rationality. Allah will protect them if it is his will, if not then people like him believe they will go straight to paradise for serving him. Doing the will of god is the only thing that matters to them.
 
Mya said:
right ... it's only for electricity right? :);)
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Yep, that is why they rejected the help and aide to build the type of reactor that couldn't be used to get bomb materials.

No, they don't want the bomb, only electricity. And if you believe that, I have a nice used bridge in Brooklyn I will let you have, cheap.
 
Israel has been making these doomsday claims about Iran for what, the past 30 years? the only reason Israel is fussy is because this would set a precedent for other middle eastern countries getting them jeopardizing its military superiority. Countries Like Saudi.
 
Mya said:
“Instead of effectively pressuring Iran, Obama and his people are pressuring us not to attack the nuclear facilities,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly said.


... the ghost of the coming election hovering above Obama' head is all consuming .... or so it seems

August 31, 2012,
'Sparks fly' over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy | The Times of Israel
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What a crock.....Obama has helped the U.N. impose the most effective sanctions ever placed on Iran. I don't blame him at all for wanting Israel to let them work. The Israeli's cannot even penetrate Iran's Bunker labs without our help so your story is fictitious.
 
Mya said:
Exactly. Some here seem to equate Iran's nuclear arsenal with the Cold War Soviet Union's arsenal ... that they can be contained the same way... what they can not comprehend is that now, in the case of the Iranian Regime, we are dealing with fundamentalists religious fanatics.


Big difference
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No. The big difference in your post is that we are not dealing with a nuclear arsenal at all with Iran. It's a figment of propagandistic imagination spread from your media sources and the various influences on them. They have half of you believing that Ahmadinejad is sitting with his thumb on the trigger already.

People should be using completely different barometers when comparing the Iranian situation to the Cold War, we love to forget history almost as much as we love to forget facts...
 
Connery said:
I only have one answer to this situation......


Strap me on I will sort things out!!!!!

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That has to be one of the bigger strap-ons I've ever seen.
 
Effectively pressure Iran? Here's a brief laundry list of rather extreme sanctions levied against Iran by the US and the International community at large. http://www.cfr.org/iran/lengthening-list-iran-sanctions/p20258

It seems as if any action short of a full scale bombing run on Israel's behalf would be insufficient in Netanyahu's estimation.
 
Hare said:
Effectively pressure Iran? Here's a brief laundry list of rather extreme sanctions levied against Iran by the US and the International community at large. The Lengthening List of Iran Sanctions - Council on Foreign Relations

It seems as if any action short of a full scale bombing run on Israel's behalf would be insufficient in Netanyahu's estimation.
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Your link doesn't seem to address the long list of waivers that Obama has granted to, seemingly, any country that wants to do business with the Iranian government or its proxies.
 
Diogenes said:
Your link doesn't seem to address the long list of waivers that Obama has granted to, seemingly, any country that wants to do business with the Iranian government or its proxies.
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Yes, waivers have indeed been granted, in no small part due to the reduced consumption on the behalf of the countries in question, some exceptions are also made to ensure that interruptions in supply and the subsequent spikes in prices don't undermine economic activity in south east asia primarily. Imposing sanctions on countries and valued allies such as South Korea and Singapore who rely largely on Iranian oil at this stage would be something to avoid at this stage from a diplomatic and economic standpoint, and from all indications the countries in question are actively pursuing trade agreements with other willing participants in the short term in order to alleviate such a conflict.

China, Japan, India and South Korea have already cut their imports by about a fifth from the 1.45 million barrels per day they were buying a year ago as they prepare for the U.S. sanctions to come into effect.
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More U.S. waivers to Iran sanctions likely next week | Reuters
 
The Pro-Israel at any cost crowd is in rare form in this thread. They overlook the sanctions imposed on Iran, the damage being done to their economy, and focus on a few nits to pick. Nutti-yahoo whines like the physical coward/political bully he is.

'Pressure' on Israel? Not pressuring Iran? WTF??!!

We back Israel's total disregard for any UN directives, be it to abandon the West Bank settlements, allow trade to arrive at the Gaza ports, start serious talks with the Palestinians.

I do love the 'X-spurt' opinions that national leaders would commit suicide and destroy their homeland. Hitler is the favorite badguy to point to at such times, it should be pointed out he didn't jump straight into the maelstrom of destruction but gained most of Europe quickly and with little effort.

A far better bunch of fanatics to look at are the Japanese of WWII, fanatics who were planning to send young girls to fight on the beaches with sharpened bamboo balked at the idea of nuclear holocaust- if we believe the pro-bomb crowd. There is a very sobering finality to mushroom clouds, we tend to think others do see them as such when it suits us but relied on that very thought to keep the world from using them. (back in the day many hardliners called the Roosians crazy and willing to launch all out nuclear war, the Soviets played right along claiming their CD could protect much of their population)

Nutty-yahoo is a rare bird in the Israel chicken coop. A senior Israeli politician who never did time for Gawd and Israel in the military, his brother was the Hero of Entebbe and Nutty is the free loading politician.

The USofA, and every President since Truman has backed Israel in times of grave danger, from blocking votes at the UN to flying in desperately needed supplies as the bullets flew.

What irks some in the fanatic pro-Israel crowd is the USofA is one day the US will have to quit covering for Israel. This isn't 1973. The GOP is quite willing to embrace any cause if it weakens their political opponents, be it angry white dudes from the South, or petulant supporters of an European colony in The Levant.
 
notquiteright said:
The Pro-Israel at any cost crowd is in rare form in this thread. They overlook the sanctions imposed on Iran, the damage being done to their economy, and focus on a few nits to pick. Nutti-yahoo whines like the physical coward/political bully he is.

'Pressure' on Israel? Not pressuring Iran? WTF??!!

We back Israel's total disregard for any UN directives, be it to abandon the West Bank settlements, allow trade to arrive at the Gaza ports, start serious talks with the Palestinians.

I do love the 'X-spurt' opinions that national leaders would commit suicide and destroy their homeland. Hitler is the favorite badguy to point to at such times, it should be pointed out he didn't jump straight into the maelstrom of destruction but gained most of Europe quickly and with little effort.

A far better bunch of fanatics to look at are the Japanese of WWII, fanatics who were planning to send young girls to fight on the beaches with sharpened bamboo balked at the idea of nuclear holocaust- if we believe the pro-bomb crowd. There is a very sobering finality to mushroom clouds, we tend to think others do see them as such when it suits us but relied on that very thought to keep the world from using them. (back in the day many hardliners called the Roosians crazy and willing to launch all out nuclear war, the Soviets played right along claiming their CD could protect much of their population)

Nutty-yahoo is a rare bird in the Israel chicken coop. A senior Israeli politician who never did time for Gawd and Israel in the military, his brother was the Hero of Entebbe and Nutty is the free loading politician.

The USofA, and every President since Truman has backed Israel in times of grave danger, from blocking votes at the UN to flying in desperately needed supplies as the bullets flew.

What irks some in the fanatic pro-Israel crowd is the USofA is one day the US will have to quit covering for Israel. This isn't 1973. The GOP is quite willing to embrace any cause if it weakens their political opponents, be it angry white dudes from the South, or petulant supporters of an European colony in The Levant.
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Has any of this "pressure" dissuaded Iran from pursuing its nuclear program?
 
But there has been pressure applied. The Nutty-yahoo crowd is trying to make this sound like Iran always Israel never.

But the Crying Israel and at any cost crowd here is missing is Israel doesn't hold back just because someone asks them to.

Not in Gaza.

Not in International waters.

Not on the West Bank.

If Nutty is feeling froggy and doesn't want to use common sense, let him order his Air Force to attack Iran.

THAT is the action of a madman.
 
notquiteright said:
But there has been pressure applied. The Nutty-yahoo crowd is trying to make this sound like Iran always Israel never.

But the Crying Israel and at any cost crowd here is missing is Israel doesn't hold back just because someone asks them to.

Not in Gaza.

Not in International waters.

Not on the West Bank.

If Nutty is feeling froggy and doesn't want to use common sense, let him order his Air Force to attack Iran.

THAT is the action of a madman.
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How much would you want the US government to hold back if someone was shooting rockets at our towns? Maybe you think Israel should hold back until they hit a school or something?
 
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