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Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

Paschendale said:
I got a SS card about two years ago. It wasn't free.

I don't know, why don't we include transportation and free access to these IDs in the voter ID laws? The answer is probably because the laws aren't aimed at ensuring accuracy in voting, but rather just at preventing certain demographics (which statistically tend to vote D) from voting.
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Well, you must have bought a fake one!!! :lamo j/k

Its free man. Social Security Publications

Why should transportation be free? So basically, there should be no responsibility of the voter to ensure their personal paperwork is in order to vote? Thats BS. I vote absentee every year. Every year, well before the election, I ensure everything is in order.
 
Hopefully we can expect this kind of ruling in other states that are perusing these kinds of laws.
 
Fishstyx said:
Well, you must have bought a fake one!!! :lamo j/k

Its free man. Social Security Publications

Why should transportation be free? So basically, there should be no responsibility of the voter to ensure their personal paperwork is in order to vote? Thats BS. I vote absentee every year. Every year, well before the election, I ensure everything is in order.
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It's not about responsibility. It's about cost. Voting cannot require paying any money. It can require effort. It can require responsibility. But it can't require money.
 
Paschendale said:
It's not about responsibility. It's about cost. Voting cannot require paying any money. It can require effort. It can require responsibility. But it can't require money.
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You don't have to pay any money to vote.
 
Fishstyx said:
No you don't. You obtain the ID from the DMV. If you don't have a photo ID, you can use yoru birth certificate and a SS card. You get your ID, for free and you're good to go. As I said, if the $25 is truly considered a burden (don't really think it is) to obtain your birth certificate, than offer it for free. Its the quick fix.

TxDPS - Driver License or ID requirements
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Duh! I already said you could use birth certificate, but the birth certificate costs money. My wife doesn't drive, so to obtain State of Texas photo ID so she could vote, cost her $16.00. That's right here in Houston. So, yes you do. And check out your own link, which does not give prices, or say that it is free. It provides nothing. However, on your own link that you provided, click on the link that says ID card. When there, click on the link that says "Pay the required fee". Original card costs $16.00. If you are 65 or over, it is $6.00. The only exemption to the fees is for disabled veterans in some cases. Everybody else pays.

When providing a link to prove your point, you should read it carefully before you post it to attempt to support a claim you know nothing about, and is dead wrong, and makes you end up looking silly.
 
jamesrage said:
IDs are cheap.There is no reason why someone shouldn't have one.You need an ID to get a job,you need an ID to buy alcohol and tobacco in many places even if you are over 21(some stores do not wish to take the chance of selling those products to minors). Many places you need an ID to use state services and apply for aid. An ID is not a hurdle to someone who is poor.

The idea that requiring someone to show an id is somehow a poll tax is laughable,even if the individual has to pay for their ID.
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You missed the point. Having to get an ID that costs money in order to vote is the same as a poll tax, and therefore is unconstitutional. Many of the very poor would rather miss voting than miss a few meals. And most of the poor happen to be people of color.
 
danarhea said:
Duh! I already said you could use birth certificate, but the birth certificate costs money. My wife doesn't drive, so to obtain State of Texas photo ID so she could vote, cost her $16.00. That's right here in Houston. So, yes you do. And check out your own link, which does not give prices, or say that it is free. It provides nothing. However, on your own link that you provided, click on the link that says ID card. When there, click on the link that says "Pay the required fee". Original card costs $16.00. If you are 65 or over, it is $6.00. The only exemption to the fees is for disabled veterans in some cases. Everybody else pays.

When providing a link to prove your point, you should read it carefully before you post it to attempt to support a claim you know nothing about, and is dead wrong, and makes you end up looking silly.
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Oh, I was commenting as if you actually read the law. I assumed you did as you're speaking with such conviction on it. Apparently, you haven't. And I linked because you said you needed photo ID to get a state ID....which you don't.

(d) The department may not collect a fee for a personal
identification certificate issued to a person who states that the
person is obtaining the personal identification certificate for the
purpose of satisfying Section 63.001(b), Election Code,
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82(R) SB 14 - Engrossed version - Bill Text

They amended the Transportation code that set the fees for ID and added that it would be free for the purpose of voting. DUH!!!!:roll:
 
danarhea said:
You missed the point. Having to get an ID that costs money in order to vote is the same as a poll tax, and therefore is unconstitutional. Many of the very poor would rather miss voting than miss a few meals. And most of the poor happen to be people of color.
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My mother raised five kids,occasionally on wic, welfare and food stamps and worked minimum wage jobs and she was still able to afford a driver's license and renew it every time it was close to expiring. Besides that you need ID to get a job, buy booze and smokes if you are under a certain age and many stores instituted policies that if you don't look 30-40 years of age that you must show an ID, to get tax payer funded services and so on. The idea a poor person can't afford ID is laughable.
 
If you are such a trainwreck that you don't have the initiative or capability to get picture ID, then I'm guessing you don't have the mental capacity to read and understand the damn ballot anyway. Democrats have made a killing on this reality.
 
Erod said:
If you are such a trainwreck that you don't have the initiative or capability to get picture ID, then I'm guessing you don't have the mental capacity to read and understand the damn ballot anyway. Democrats have made a killing on this reality.
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Show me the exact text in the Constitution where a US citizen can be denied the right to vote simply because he or she is illiterate or is below a certain level of intelligence.

Besides, if doing that were legal, Republicans wouldn't stand a dog's chance in hell of ever being elected.
 
MaggieD said:
I agree with your #2. I have no problem with that. I think having voter identification is very important. If someone doesn't have a State I.D., they should be able to go to the Secretary of State's office, and the Secretary of State's office should obtain all necessary documents. I think that's fair.

Your personal experience reminds me of the hassle it can be to get required documents. Most people wouldn't have to go through this, as most people have driver's licenses or state i.d.'s already. But for those who don't? We should help them get it.
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Yes, we should. Funny how the very state legislatures implementing these laws are actually making it harder to get those documents.

Fishstyx said:
You need that to prove your eligibility, not to vote.
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It's the same thing. It's a poll tax, and supporting a poll tax means you're against the US constitution! Why do you hate the constitution? ;)
 
Deuce said:
It's the same thing. It's a poll tax, and supporting a poll tax means you're against the US constitution! Why do you hate the constitution? ;)
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No its not. Its asking to prove eligibility. To prove eligibility you need identification to ensure you are in fact, eligible. Its not an unreasonable request. Most of the state's that have enacted these laws have offered a free ID. Funny, the old lady they paraded out for the PA lawsuit went down got her ID the day after she testified.

Lets not forget. You need ID to claim Medicare benfits, enroll in Medicaid, apply for SNAP (food stamps), apply for TANF (welfare), and just about any other type of freebie out there.
 
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