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Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

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Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents - US Business News - CNBC

Apple scored a sweeping legal victory over Samsung Electronics on Friday as a U.S. jury found the Korean company had copied critical features of the hugely popular iPhone and iPad and awarded the U.S. company $1.05 billion in damages.As for the countersuit, the jury found Appledid not violate any of Samsung's wireless standards or feature patents.

They are going to try to get an injunction to stop sales of Samsungs equipment. And appear to be going after Google/Android next.

It makes me wish I never bought an iMac. Greedy, monopolistic company, nothing more. I will never own another Apple product.
 
Apple is protecting its intellectual property. Good for them. :shrug:
 
It's more local Americans protecting their jobs against the Koreans.

Like this was a fair trial and jury:

"The U.S. jury spent most of August in a packed federal courtroom in San Jose — just miles from Apple's headquarters in Cupertino..."


Elsewhere, a court found both have violated each other's patents.

"Earlier on Friday, a South Korean court found that both companies shared blame, ordering Samsung to stop selling 10 products including its Galaxy S II phone and banning Apple from selling four different products, including its iPhone 4."
 
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This jury should be the ones sentenced to pay the billion dollars for the crime of criminal stupidity.

1) They deliberated on 700 legal questions in 22 hours. That means they took a whole 2 minutes per question.
2) Patents in the united states are required to be non obvious. They upheld an apple patent that literally covers nearly any rectangular electronic device. That may seem an absurd claim, but look at the link below for pictures of what apple was granted on patent on.
Patent USD504889 - Electronic device - Google Patents
3) They decided that samsung devices didn't infringe said patent, even though a blind idiot could see that they look they same. They created a moronic false premise and then failed to even come to a logically consistent conclusion. Ironically, two stupid mistakes managed to cancel each other out.
4) They ignored the prior art for many of apples claimed inventions.
5) They decided that samsungs patents were valid, but that apple wasn't infringing. This is even stupider than number 3, as samsung patents are technically required for the functionality of the Iphone.

The correct outcome would be invalid both sides patents for failing to meet the constitutional standards for "promoting science and the arts". What happened was a travesty that defies any kind of legal or logical consistency.
 
I could go into a big spiel about how some of you are misinformed or I could just say, haters gonna hate
 
2) Patents in the united states are required to be non obvious. They upheld an apple patent that literally covers nearly any rectangular electronic device. That may seem an absurd claim, but look at the link below for pictures of what apple was granted on patent on.
Patent USD504889 - Electronic device - Google Patents

Non-obviousness does not mean what you think it means. Non-obviousness has to do with it being obvious to people who doesn't have technological skill. How many Joe Plumbers could have come up with the iPad concept?
 
if there was a chance in hell i would purchase Apple products it went away with that decision. OMG they are doing what we do, only they do it better, with more options, and cheaper. How dare they give people Options. We are Apple, you will be ass.

Sorry, I thought all this bull**** would end with the death of Jobs and Apple might take to actual competition instead of lawsuits on everyone who does things better. If it was up to them we would still be trying to figure out how to have an internet with Appletalk. How dare samsung offer up android OS, bigger screens, and rounded corners? How dare they do it cheaper, and how dare they not try to tell us we have to use AT&T for their product.
 
Non-obviousness does not mean what you think it means. Non-obviousness has to do with it being obvious to people who doesn't have technological skill. How many Joe Plumbers could have come up with the iPad concept?

The patent doesn't cover the ipad, it covers any electronic device than is a thin rectangle with rounded corners. That is not only ****ing obvious to even a complete idiot, it also has plenty of prior art. You are also wrong about the need to be obvious to non-technological people, as federal law defines the standard for someone with "ordinary skill in the art" or an average level of knowledge and training in the field.
 
Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents - US Business News - CNBC

They are going to try to get an injunction to stop sales of Samsungs equipment. And appear to be going after Google/Android next.

It makes me wish I never bought an iMac. Greedy, monopolistic company, nothing more. I will never own another Apple product.

This will change on appeal. The whole trial was rich with Apple bias. For one the judge ruled that Samsung could not use evidence that showed Apple stole the iPhone design from Sony, but Apple was allowed to use similar evidence to prove their point.. come on.

Plus the court house is 10 miles from Apple HQ, so the jury pool was full of Apple fanboys since the area is know for its devotion to Apple.

Also this was a very complicated case, and yet these mom's and pop's took under 24 hours to find a verdict and without additional instructions? They even gave damages t o Apple for products that did not infringe according to their own ruling.. wtf is that?

It is also funny how around the world Apple has lost time and time again on the very same patent claims, but it when it comes to its own backyard (literally) then it wins... difference... the US it was a jury of its own people, where as outside the US it was professional judges that did the rulings.

Now the ironic part is that, Apple can expect higher prices for its Samsung parts now hehe.. which account from 25% to 75% depending on the product.

Oh and Apple can try for an injunction on Samsung, but it wont work, since most of the phones that they won on, are not made/sold any more. This wont effect the Samsung Galaxy S3 or the Galaxy Nexus as far as I can see, and atm they are cleaning Apple's clock world wide.
 
4) They ignored the prior art for many of apples claimed inventions.

Nope they did not ignore it.. they were never given this information, because the Judge barred it. And the Judge, an former employee of the law firm who Apple hired in the case.... where she worked among other things.. for Apple... can you scream conflict of interest?

The correct outcome would be invalid both sides patents for failing to meet the constitutional standards for "promoting science and the arts". What happened was a travesty that defies any kind of legal or logical consistency.

The Jury was a bunch of Applefan boys.. after all they picked from the local area, which is in spitting distance of Apple HQ.
 
Got to love how they gave damages for the Nexus S 4G patent infringement on the bounce back effect... problem is, it never had the bounce back effect. This judgement will be thrown out fast.
 
The whole case seems like kind of a mess. I don't so much blame Apple for trying to protect their intellectual property as I do the patent office for some of the ridiculous things they let them patent.

They are going to try to get an injunction to stop sales of Samsungs equipment.

I doubt they'll get it.

And appear to be going after Google/Android next.

That would be just about the dumbest thing they could do. They've avoided going after Google so far because it would be much harder to prove a case against them, and because Google has a much better legal team than any of the hardware manufacturers do.
 
Non-obviousness does not mean what you think it means. Non-obviousness has to do with it being obvious to people who doesn't have technological skill. How many Joe Plumbers could have come up with the iPad concept?

A lot of them I would guess. I mean, it's not exactly groundbreaking. Apple was hardly the first company to propose such a device. Hell, Star Trek the Next Generation had tablets 25 years ago. Bill gates had a working prototype of a tablet PC in 2003, a couple years before Apple even filed the patent.
 
The whole case seems like kind of a mess. I don't so much blame Apple for trying to protect their intellectual property as I do the patent office for some of the ridiculous things they let them patent.



I doubt they'll get it.



That would be just about the dumbest thing they could do. They've avoided going after Google so far because it would be much harder to prove a case against them, and because Google has a much better legal team than any of the hardware manufacturers do.

Google is already going after them.

And Now Google Sues Apple - Forbes

The patent wars have begun.
 
Google is already going after them.

And Now Google Sues Apple - Forbes

The patent wars have begun.

Yea, and Apple should fear the Motorola suit big time. If Motorola wins, then it would mean an instant stop of all sales of pretty much all Apple products in the US.. hell world wide. And it is in front of experts, not a jury.

But this case is far far from over. Just saw an interview of British patent and technology expert on Al Jazerra, and he pointed out that patents are very difficult to understand, especially for the layman and in this case you put this complicated patents in the hands of a jury taken from the area around Apple HQ. He pointed out that many of the jury if not all, most likely knew someone working for Apple.

Such cases should never be put in front of a jury.. far far too complicated.

Plus I suspect Samsung gave up some what and started the appeal process quite early because of the judge not allowing the evidence showing Apple copied Sony for the iPhone. This alone should mean the verdict should be thrown out.. after all it is not like the evidence came from unreliable sources... it came from Apple it self.
 
Google is already going after them.

And Now Google Sues Apple - Forbes

The patent wars have begun.

Quoted from the article.

As I noted at the start my main hope is that once everyone has sued everyone, all the appeals courts have had their say, then the law on patents, who can do what with them, should be much clearer.

I heartily agree with this part. Maybe this will encourage a bit more common sense in the whole patent field.

Although, I have to say I would be extremely amused if Google was able to get an injunction to force Apple to stop selling things in the US. I doubt it would happen, but it would be hilarious if it did.
 
Such cases should never be put in front of a jury.. far far too complicated.

I completely agree with this. When the judge has to force the jurors to stand up in court so they don't fall asleep while she reads over 100 pages of instructions to them, that's perhaps a sign that a jury trial isn't the right venue for that particular legal battle.
 
Quoted from the article.



I heartily agree with this part. Maybe this will encourage a bit more common sense in the whole patent field.

Although, I have to say I would be extremely amused if Google was able to get an injunction to force Apple to stop selling things in the US. I doubt it would happen, but it would be hilarious if it did.

Well the problem with this case is that it effects pretty much all Apple products. And if Motorola wins on just one of these, then yes all Apple will be barred from importing their products into the US. Apple did it to HTC after all and will try with Samsung.

Look at the bright side.. it might force Apple to move its production to the US!
 
I completely agree with this. When the judge has to force the jurors to stand up in court so they don't fall asleep while she reads over 100 pages of instructions to them, that's perhaps a sign that a jury trial isn't the right venue for that particular legal battle.

Not to mention it took the jury 22 hours to answer the 700 questions in the lawsuit... that is 2 minutes per question.. So they seriously debated each question? yea right!
 
I saw someone put something about Samsung making the better product and chuckled a bit. Either way what kind of tool is going to defend either one? Obviously quite a few.
 
The US government issues patents because we the people feel that people who put time, effort, and resources into designing and making a device are entitled to exclusively reap the profits from it's sales, if any, for a time. This is done to encourage innovation, and it has served us well over the years. If a patent is issued it's government certification that the product is novel and original. The idea that the patents were somehow defective is not credible on its face.

As for the problems inherent in submitting complex technical questions to a jury of 12 schmoes off the street, it's the system Apple and Samsung have chosen to use rather than, for example, coming to some sort of agreement.

Apple was in as much danger of getting anti-Apple jurors in that venue. Apple, Inc., has tended to run roughshod over the local community when it comes to issues like taxes and so on.
 
Apple was in as much danger of getting anti-Apple jurors in that venue. Apple, Inc., has tended to run roughshod over the local community when it comes to issues like taxes and so on.

Bull****. Apple is the biggest employer and taxpayer in the community... they would always get a pro-Apple jury.
 
So i took a look at Samsung's patent claims as well:

I'm going to have to modify my earlier statement, as the jury had a reasonable argument in pointing at that apple was not infringing on the Samsung wireless patents using the doctrine of patent exhaustion. Apple was using Samsung's patented technology, but the license Samsung sold to Intel for the hardware bought by apple is essentially transferred and nullifies any claim.

The Juries choice of upholding Samsungs design patents and then deciding that apple was not infringing on them was moronic. The design patents definitely failed the obviousness test and should have been struck down, especially the one about playing music in the backround while multitasking. Apple was clearly infringing on two of the design patents, and if you hold the doctrine of equivalency so did the third.
 
The patent doesn't cover the ipad, it covers any electronic device than is a thin rectangle with rounded corners. That is not only ****ing obvious to even a complete idiot, it also has plenty of prior art. You are also wrong about the need to be obvious to non-technological people, as federal law defines the standard for someone with "ordinary skill in the art" or an average level of knowledge and training in the field.

Either you don't know how to read patents or you clearly are lying. Which one is it?
 
Google is already going after them.

And Now Google Sues Apple - Forbes

The patent wars have begun.

Christ this sounds like Star Wars Episode II.

But seriously, Samsung is going to hit back, and Google is too. I'm sure there will be some quite comical price manipulations in the near future.

I like Android, but that's because I can sit down, fire up Eclipse, and make my own apps. Objective C is truly a terrible language.
 
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