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Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

the economy is in shambles, and liberals would prefer that the national dialogue be this?

because this is what matters? or is it that their reelection hinges on us focusing on these tertiary items?

I think the answer is pretty obvious. liberals have no shame. none.
 
the economy is in shambles, and liberals would prefer that the national dialogue be this?

because this is what matters? or is it that their reelection hinges on us focusing on these tertiary items?

I think the answer is pretty obvious. liberals have no shame. none.

The right has brought up abortion more than the left. In fact, the GOP made a big deal out of instituting in their platform abortions to not be supported in any case.
 
It does not say how the determination is made and I am not sure how it is done.

Perhaps that should be defined. To have laws that are vague, and lack any definition are useless, since many judges have differing opinions. There was an attempt to change the clear meaning of "life" of the mother to "health" of the mother, that could have meant anything from minor mental distress to a life threatening physical condition. What this thread is about is making a clear definition of the term rape, which I feel is definitely needed. Cases have been publicized where the PP crew used the excuse of rape/incest of a minor (to get gov't funding) yet did not even report the act, much less collect any evidence. You can not have it both ways, alleging that a crime has occurred yet making no attempt to report/prosecute the crime. I certainly would not expect only a conviction to count, but certainly enough evidence to prove that a crime has occurred, even if the perp was not known to the victim; obviously DNA evidence exists with any prenancy so that should be collected and checked at a minimum.
 
The right has brought up abortion more than the left. In fact, the GOP made a big deal out of instituting in their platform abortions to not be supported in any case.

the left is bringing it up in an attempt to not focus on economic issues. Do you support this diversion for political reasons, or because the issue needs the national focus?
 
the left is bringing it up in an attempt to not focus on economic issues. Do you support this diversion for political reasons, or because the issue needs the national focus?

Of course I don't support it, but when you call out the left as using it as a distraction while the right is doing the same thing is pretty hypocritical don't you think? Do you support the right making a big deal out of it, especially having it put in their platform?

Where is your outrage of the right doing it.

The problem is social conservatism is so rooted in the GOP, it makes it impossible to support them. Obama should be losing by a landslide right now, but instead of focusing on fiscal conservatism the GOP wants to focus on social conservatism.
 
Ryan co-signed the bill because it was the right thing to do. Forcible rape is essentially unlawful rape. The way I read that is unless it is determined that a crime has been committed (not just someone saying abort this thing i was raped to get a free abortion) then the government is not going to pay for it. Why on Earth would that upset people?
 
Of course I don't support it, but when you call out the left as using it as a distraction while the right is doing the same thing is pretty hypocritical don't you think? Do you support the right making a big deal out of it, especially having it put in their platform?

Where is your outrage of the right doing it.

The problem is social conservatism is so rooted in the GOP, it makes it impossible to support them. Obama should be losing by a landslide right now, but instead of focusing on fiscal conservatism the GOP wants to focus on social conservatism.

the right is using abortion as a distraction? how? where?
 
the right is using abortion as a distraction? how? where?

Adopting abortion into the platform, Akin comments (he is a righty you know and talked about it), legislation, parrating that all abortions are wrong.

It's hilarious watching the righties give passes to their fellow comrades and then complain about the left.

Pathetic and hypocritical at best.
 
Exactly. Forcible rape is a legal term. Look it up.

Oh that would be too much to expect, and rob the OP of making a mountain out of a mole hill.
 
Cases have been publicized where the PP crew used the excuse of rape/incest of a minor (to get gov't funding) yet did not even report the act, much less collect any evidence.

Well maybe the patient didn't WANT to report the act, or maybe there wasn't any evidence. Ever think of that?

You can not have it both ways, alleging that a crime has occurred yet making no attempt to report/prosecute the crime.

Of course you can. No one is on trial if a woman is just seeking an abortion (rather than testifying in court against a rapist), so there can absolutely be situations where no one is prosecuted but a rape still occurred.

I certainly would not expect only a conviction to count, but certainly enough evidence to prove that a crime has occurred, even if the perp was not known to the victim; obviously DNA evidence exists with any prenancy so that should be collected and checked at a minimum.

Or how about you just leave rape victims alone? What the hell is the point of this exercise anyway? To prove that the woman isn't a dirty slut who *gasp* chose to have sex?
 
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Adopting abortion into the platform, Akin comments (he is a righty you know and talked about it), legislation, parrating that all abortions are wrong.

It's hilarious watching the righties give passes to their fellow comrades and then complain about the left.

Pathetic and hypocritical at best.

the right don't put abortion in their platform as a distraction.

the left are pushing this dialogue about forcible rape to distract.

Ryan said rape is rape. honest people would now let this die a natural death, but not the actual hypocrites and dishonest amongst us. they will continue to hope this distraction takes away focus on things that matter. They will do everything in their power to aid in keeping this distraction in focus.
 
the right don't put abortion in their platform as a distraction.

the left are pushing this dialogue about forcible rape to distract.

There wouldn't be any dialogue about the issue in the first place if Republicans stopped saying and doing these kinds of things. If they don't want to get called out on it, then they can stop doing it. It's really that simple.
 
Well maybe the patient didn't WANT to report the act, or maybe there wasn't any evidence. Ever think of that?



Of course you can. No one is on trial if a woman is just seeking an abortion (rather than testifying in court against a rapist), so there can absolutely be situations where no one is prosecuted but a rape still occurred.



Or how about you just leave rape victims alone? What the hell is the point of this exercise anyway? To prove that the woman isn't a dirty slut who *gasp* chose to have sex?

Excellent post!
 
There wouldn't be any dialogue about the issue in the first place if Republicans stopped saying and doing these kinds of things. If they don't want to get called out on it, then they can stop doing it. It's really that simple.

Asking that Romney has to answer for all the things republicans say is an obvious distraction from the issues he does speak on. It really is that simple.
 
Asking that Romney has to answer for all the things republicans say is an obvious distraction from the issues he does speak on. It really is that simple.

I'm not talking about Romney specifically, I'm talking about the Republican Party in general. If Republicans view this as a "distraction" and want to run on economic issues in future elections, then all they have to do is stop proposing nasty legislation like this, stop making ignorant and misogynistic comments, and generally let it go. The fact that they DON'T do these things indicates that it's NOT merely a distraction, but rather an important belief to their party.

As for Romney specifically, I don't think he believes this "forcible rape" crap, mainly because I don't think he believes anything at all. But he did tell Mike Huckabee last year that he would "absolutely" support a "Personhood Amendment" which would guarantee a right to life from the moment of conception (thereby outlawing all abortion, in vitro fertilization, and some popular forms of contraception). And so it's perfectly legitimate to call him out on that bull****. Again, if he only wanted to run on economic issues and didn't want to get called on this, he shouldn't have done it in the first place.
 
I'm not talking about Romney specifically, I'm talking about the Republican Party in general. If Republicans view this as a "distraction" and want to run on economic issues in future elections, then all they have to do is stop proposing nasty legislation like this, stop making ignorant and misogynistic comments, and generally let it go. The fact that they DON'T do these things indicates that it's NOT merely a distraction, but rather an important belief to their party.

As for Romney specifically, I don't think he believes this "forcible rape" crap, mainly because I don't think he believes anything at all. But he did tell Mike Huckabee last year that he would "absolutely" support a "Personhood Amendment" which would guarantee a right to life from the moment of conception (thereby outlawing all abortion, in vitro fertilization, and some popular forms of contraception). And so it's perfectly legitimate to call him out on that bull****. Again, if he only wanted to run on economic issues and didn't want to get called on this, he shouldn't have done it in the first place.

this thread is about Romney's running mate, not the republican party in general.
 
the right don't put abortion in their platform as a distraction.

Says you

the left are pushing this dialogue about forcible rape to distract.

Says you

Ryan said rape is rape.

Yet his support of other bills says otherwise on the matter

honest people would now let this die a natural death, but not the actual hypocrites and dishonest amongst us. they will continue to hope this distraction takes away focus on things that matter. They will do everything in their power to aid in keeping this distraction in focus.

and honest people would admit that both are using abortion as a distraction, however, we know that isn't the case with "some" people.
 
All romney and ryan do is run their mouths and refuse to explain anything they want to do....this has gone way beyond just ridiculous


GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by "forcible rape" in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, and Akin are among the 227 co-sponsors of the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."


Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language
Forcible rape, as opposed to statutory rape where there was no force.

Those of us with a double-digit IQ don't need a some politician to tell us what "forcible rape" is, we can use a computer and look it up for ourselves.
 
It would appear that you stopped reading my post after the first three sentences.

Sure i did. It was also not relevant to the thread topic, so I chose to cut out the fat
 
the economy is in shambles, and liberals would prefer that the national dialogue be this?

because this is what matters? or is it that their reelection hinges on us focusing on these tertiary items?

I think the answer is pretty obvious. liberals have no shame. none.

Since 2010, the repubs have spent a LOT of time and effort trying to overturn R v W.

The Rep VP candidate deep up in that mix.

So those of us who are leery of social conservatives and their agendas are eing justly critical of the guy who'll be a heartbeat away from the presidency. (And breaking "ties" as well).
 
Well maybe the patient didn't WANT to report the act, or maybe there wasn't any evidence. Ever think of that?



Of course you can. No one is on trial if a woman is just seeking an abortion (rather than testifying in court against a rapist), so there can absolutely be situations where no one is prosecuted but a rape still occurred.



Or how about you just leave rape victims alone? What the hell is the point of this exercise anyway? To prove that the woman isn't a dirty slut who *gasp* chose to have sex?

The point of this law is to not simply use tax money to fund abortion on demand. The law allows for abortion funding only in limitted situations, not simply whenever someone wants one. Get real!
 
Since 2010, the repubs have spent a LOT of time and effort trying to overturn R v W.

The Rep VP candidate deep up in that mix.

So those of us who are leery of social conservatives and their agendas are eing justly critical of the guy who'll be a heartbeat away from the presidency. (And breaking "ties" as well).

you voting for the king, or the president?

In primary elections, the right speaks about abortion all the time, and I do find it annoying, but I also know it is political pandering, and refuse to join in the fray.
 
Those are not legal definitions for the US. AS an example, the FBI one is for data collection purposes.

Laws regarding rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I posted three or four legal definitions of forcible rape. I made no claim there was some kind of "national definition." I was responding to a poster who said there is no legal definition of forcible rape. He was obviously wrong. That each state may have its own definition is immaterial. I'm betting "forcible rape" is on the books of every state in the union. I just checked Illinois/Kentucky/California. They all have them. Here's California's:

A. Forcible Rape
The carnal knowledge of a person, forcibly and/or against the person’s will; or not forcibly or against
the person’s will where the victim is incapable of giving consent because of his/her temporary or permanent
mental or physical incapacity (or because of his/her youth)

http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/policies/clery/corrtable.pdf
 
All romney and ryan do is run their mouths and refuse to explain anything they want to do....this has gone way beyond just ridiculous


GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by "forcible rape" in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, and Akin are among the 227 co-sponsors of the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."


Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language
Even for the silly season, this is a bit much.
 
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