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Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

Mason66 said:
Somerville, at this point I think he is just screwing with us just to see how long he can keep this thread going. Nobody can be this dense with all the evidence staring them in the face but continuing to stick to an undefendable position.
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Obviously I'm not Somerville ... but you are absolutely correct about this.

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Mason66 said:
Somerville, at this point I think he is just screwing with us just to see how long he can keep this thread going. Nobody can be this dense with all the evidence staring them in the face but continuing to stick to an undefendable position.
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I agree but you did post one wrong item - there is a rule against PROFANITY when a student is serving detention time but nowhere else (yeah, it's all caps in the handbook) but then we get into the definition of PROFANITY. Wanta bet that the word hell is said fortyleven times every Sunday in the Prague churches? So how does one word, which is not even on George Carlin's list become PROFANITY when preachers say it all the time?
 
Somerville said:
I agree but you did post one wrong item - there is a rule against PROFANITY when a student is serving detention time but nowhere else (yeah, it's all caps in the handbook) but then we get into the definition of PROFANITY. Wanta bet that the word hell is said fortyleven times every Sunday in the Prague churches? So how does one word, which is not even on George Carlin's list become PROFANITY when preachers say it all the time?
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OK, but this girl was not in detention so it did not apply to her, so we are back to no rule broken.

I am sure she will get her diploma, as they have no legal standing. I am just amazed that this is her payoff from the school for getting a 4.0 average for the 3 years she was there.

I can imagine how they treat a trouble maker.
 
Somerville said:
I agree but you did post one wrong item - there is a rule against PROFANITY when a student is serving detention time but nowhere else (yeah, it's all caps in the handbook) but then we get into the definition of PROFANITY. Wanta bet that the word hell is said fortyleven times every Sunday in the Prague churches? So how does one word, which is not even on George Carlin's list become PROFANITY when preachers say it all the time?
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The rules contained in the manual are never said to be exhaustive. The fax is that every school in the country disallows their students from using profanity. It is absurd and ignorant to suggest that a school does not have such a rule just because it is not listed in a booklet that was never intended as an exhaustive list of rules.

I am extremely dismayed that anybody would make such a stupid argument as this.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I am extremely dismayed that anybody would make such a stupid argument as this.
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I'm extremely dismayed that anyone rational in 2012 America would think that "hell" qualifies as profanity.

Oh wait, forgot who I was talking to. :roll:
 
Guy Incognito said:
Funnily enough, I see a pathetic level of groupthink coming from the arguments of those supporting the disobedient student in this. It's people no thinking rationally or morally, but emotionally. Many have already admitted that their support for the disobedient student stems from their own youthful altercations with teachers. It's that whole "we don't need no education, we don't need no thought control" mantra. The other side is vicariously living out their childhood fantasies of standing up to their schoolteachers, and in the process encouraging bad behavior and setting the example that you can disobey the rules as long as you whine enough. Pathetic!
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At the heart of this issue is what a group thinks is and is not acceptable behavior. the rules any principal upholds is based on the consensus of the community. Group think is the name of the game.

You find what she did to be terribly offensive. Most of us disagree, we find what the principal did was offensive and wrong.

Attacking us for group think is hilariously ignorant of how the world works.
 
Dude-
TIO
This Is Oklahoma, heck fire and shoot, we don't take the Lord's name in Vain, we just warp it around and pretend!

What has been amusing to me is a few are still adamant on their position- even though there is a lack of any rule against saying hell, a fall back to 'confidential' reasons and because the Honor Student sees no need to do anymore than say she made a mistake she is the petulant one? :confused:

Hell... ;)
 
ARealConservative said:
At the heart of this issue is what a group thinks is and is not acceptable behavior. the rules any principal upholds is based on the consensus of the community. Group think is the name of the game.

You find what she did to be terribly offensive. Most of us disagree, we find what the principal did was offensive and wrong.

Attacking us for group think is hilariously ignorant of how the world works.
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Personally, I am not the slightest bit offended at the use of the word hell or any other profanities. I can hardly think of anything more ridiculous to punish a student for.
But that doesn't matter, and this is what is so wrong with these people defending he disobedient child. Rules are indeed rules. She broke the rule, and was offered a chance to apologize to make amends. She stubbornly refused, and expects to just have the consequences of her actions simply evaporate without even so much as an apology.

The fact that people cannot admit that what she did was against school rules is ridiculous and is obviously based on groupthink, which is what I was referring to earlier. It is a childish desire to spite authority figures, so they side with this disobedient child to live out their own fantasies of standing up to authority over arbitrary rules. Why can't a student say hell? Hell, I don't know. But it is well known that students cursing is against the rules in all schools nationwide. Rules are indeed rules, and what the absurd adults defending the disobedienT child are doing is saying to kids, "see, you can do whatever you want, refuse to apologize, and here are no consequences.". I realize that liberals hate consequences, but guess what? In real life actions have consequences.
 
Cephus said:
I'm extremely dismayed that anyone rational in 2012 America would think that "hell" qualifies as profanity.

Oh wait, forgot who I was talking to. :roll:
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"Hell" is the literal definition of a profanity. I don't expect you to know this, though, since I do remember who I'm talking to.
 
notquiteright said:
Dude-
TIO
This Is Oklahoma, heck fire and shoot, we don't take the Lord's name in Vain, we just warp it around and pretend!

What has been amusing to me is a few are still adamant on their position- even though there is a lack of any rule against saying hell, a fall back to 'confidential' reasons and because the Honor Student sees no need to do anymore than say she made a mistake she is the petulant one? :confused:

Hell... ;)
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You are misunderstanding the issue. The student is not petulant for using he word hell, but for refusing to apologize afterwards. All she needs to do to get her diploma is apologize for breakin the rules, but she refuses. This is petulant, and it is shocking that anyone is defending this sort of behavior.
 
Guy Incognito said:
"Hell" is the literal definition of a profanity. I don't expect you to know this, though, since I do remember who I'm talking to.
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Only to people with overactive fantasy lives. :roll:
 
Cephus said:
Only to people with overactive fantasy lives. :roll:
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Small minded posts expressing intolerant and bigoted views like this will not change the definition of "profane."

I do, however, admire your tenacity. No matter how wrong you are or how pathetically poor your attempts at argument you just don't give up.
 
Guy Incognito said:
No matter how wrong you are or how pathetically poor your attempts at argument you just don't give up.
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Funny, was going to say the same thing about you. How many people do you think would agree with me?
 
Cephus said:
Funny, was going to say the same thing about you. How many people do you think would agree with me?
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You are deflecting the fact that you don't know the definition of "profane." I am guess by now you have googled it and are too embarrassed to admit you are wrong.

Are you man enough to admit that you are wrong? We shall see.
 
Guy Incognito said:
You are deflecting the fact that you don't know the definition of "profane." I am guess by now you have googled it and are too embarrassed to admit you are wrong.

Are you man enough to admit that you are wrong? We shall see.
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Nobody is talking about profane language and since Prague High School, where this took place, is a public school, religion and religious definitions are irrelevant. As such, profanity, as used in a secular sense, has nothing whatsoever to do with your idiotic imaginary friend.

Geez, you'd think you'd learn something around here once in a while.
 
Cephus said:
Nobody is talking about profane language and since Prague High School, where this took place, is a public school, religion and religious definitions are irrelevant. As such, profanity, as used in a secular sense, has nothing whatsoever to do with your idiotic imaginary friend.

Geez, you'd think you'd learn something around here once in a while.
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Just admit that you had no clue what you were talking about, and had to look up the meaning of the word profanity. A little honesty would be a nice step. Until that unlikely day, don't expect any more responses from me, you have proven yourself incapable of having a rational discussion about any topic, and the constant bigotry containing in your idiotic posts is sickening.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Until that unlikely day, don't expect any more responses from me
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Promise? That would vastly increase the intelligence of the people I have to respond to!
 
Guy Incognito said:
Personally, I am not the slightest bit offended at the use of the word hell or any other profanities. I can hardly think of anything more ridiculous to punish a student for.
But that doesn't matter, and this is what is so wrong with these people defending he disobedient child. Rules are indeed rules. She broke the rule, and was offered a chance to apologize to make amends. She stubbornly refused, and expects to just have the consequences of her actions simply evaporate without even so much as an apology.

The fact that people cannot admit that what she did was against school rules is ridiculous and is obviously based on groupthink, which is what I was referring to earlier. It is a childish desire to spite authority figures, so they side with this disobedient child to live out their own fantasies of standing up to authority over arbitrary rules. Why can't a student say hell? Hell, I don't know. But it is well known that students cursing is against the rules in all schools nationwide. Rules are indeed rules, and what the absurd adults defending the disobedienT child are doing is saying to kids, "see, you can do whatever you want, refuse to apologize, and here are no consequences.". I realize that liberals hate consequences, but guess what? In real life actions have consequences.
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Guy, you have a thing about obedience. I don't know the number of times you've referred to obedience in this thread, but you've said it often. You seem obsessed with obedience. Not healthy, bro.

Earlier you were "extremely ashamed" and now you're "extremely dismayed". It's obvious, through your own admission, that your emotions are running away with you on this non-issue.

I don't think you drink as much as you should. That may be because you seem to be the kind of person who would flat **** up a good time and thus no one will drink with you. That's understandable unless you run with a BDSM crowd.

Perhaps you should consider Fukitol. Or you rather than blame damn near everyone in the thread for participating in group think, you might want to consider that it isn't everyone else. Maybe it's you.
 
So, in summation, it seems that the high level of immaturity and emotional argmentation contained in the posts of those who support this disobedient child is precisely what you would expect from an attempt to defend petulant behavior like this. It is clear that those poster who demonstrate common sense and maturity see clearly the the right thing for this disobedient child to do is apologize.
 
Guy Incognito said:
So, in summation, it seems that the high level of immaturity and emotional argmentation contained in the posts of those who support this disobedient child is precisely what you would expect from an attempt to defend petulant behavior like this. It is clear that those poster who demonstrate common sense and maturity see clearly the the right thing for this disobedient child to do is apologize.
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As only one poster has maintained the viewpoint stated by Guy Incognito the typo in the second sentence is rather humorous.



Can you say :spin: ?
 
ARealConservative said:
he made one hell of an impression on everyone.

lots of laughing, just not with him.
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Nobody is laughing. It is hard not to sink into utter despair when ostensibly mature adults go to such absurd lengths to defend and make excuses for a child's petulant disobedience. The lack of basic morals is disgusting.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Nobody is laughing. It is hard not to sink into utter despair when ostensibly mature adults go to such absurd lengths to defend and make excuses for a child's petulant disobedience. The lack of basic morals is disgusting.
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sorry but many of us have been laughing at the way you carried yourself in this "debate"
 
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