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The City of Chicago has very strict laws on the city taxi cabs. Taxi drivers are scared to go into some neighborhoods in the city; but refuse to go? You'll lose your medallion.
See, that's ridiculous. The city disarms people, doesn't control crime in the forgotten areas, then tells those they've disarmed to "just deal with it". Sorry, but I don't go into suicide situations, I'll go into survival improbable situations if it's important, but a dollar isn't worth being at a lethal disadvantage.
 
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Have you eaten their pizza?

When they opened a place near us we got one. To me, pizza has four main categories:

the worst and lowest is the five dollar pizza pizza that is aimed at families with kids

the second is stuff like Jets - franchise stuff which tries to be a cut above the pizza pizza cardboard and still be economical

the third is good Italian restaurant pizza made by people who care and use fresh ingredients and charge a good 50% more than the second tier

the fourth is the more expensive artisan pizza made in wood burning ovens with special ingredients and costs the most.

I once heard a presentation from a film critic who had been a food critic for a large newspaper. They said that surveys indicated the two chief concerns of patrons in picking a restaurant were as follows:

1- is it cheap?
2- will it make me sick?

And thus we explain Jets pizza.
 
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I lived in Detroit. Below 8 MIle Road, the real inner city, and I still have relatives that live there, but they got out of the old neighborhood, with good reason.

When I visit, there is no way in hell, I'd go back to the old neighborhood in broad daylight. Unless I had a CWP, because it is very, very dangerous. So when I read the OP, I wasn't surprised at all.

Anyone who wants delivery service to continue, should have to do the delivering, IMO.

What baloney - or outright cowardice caused by self imposed fear.

I am a 63 year old white guy who is in Detroit a great deal because of my job. I walk the streets and neighborhoods and go to houses that would appear to have you quaking in your soiled boots just thinking about. We just knocked on over 5,000 doors in a four by six mile area and some of it is very poverty stricken. Nobody bothered me. And I am not armed or with a cadre of black guys wearing colors.

And I lived to tell about it.
 
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It's getting to the point that it's becoming illegal to protect yourself from harmful areas or offend people.
Where does this impression come from?
Is there any indication that Jets Pizza is facing any legal ramifications from their decision not to deliver to Detroit after dark?
 
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Where does this impression come from?
Is there any indication that Jets Pizza is facing any legal ramifications from their decision not to deliver to Detroit after dark?
It was mentioned earlier that courts have decided that area specific non-serve was illegal and that is why there is a city wide blackout. So yes, if they serve to a safe neighborhood they would have to serve to a dangerous one so they decided to blackout to keep their drivers safe.
 
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What baloney - or outright cowardice caused by self imposed fear.

I am a 63 year old white guy who is in Detroit a great deal because of my job. I walk the streets and neighborhoods and go to houses that would appear to have you quaking in your soiled boots just thinking about. We just knocked on over 5,000 doors in a four by six mile area and some of it is very poverty stricken. Nobody bothered me. And I am not armed or with a cadre of black guys wearing colors.

And I lived to tell about it.


Stroll on over to 6 and Mount Elliott. Start walking and make sure you go down Norwalk, Evaline, Doremus then maybe go down Huber or Miller. Better yet go there after dark like the pizza delivery kid and then get back to me.

Then go back to the burbs where I know you live. Because no one in their right mind would live in that area. It looks like Berlin after the blitz.
 
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Stroll on over to 6 and Mount Elliott. Start walking and make sure you go down Norwalk, Evaline, Doremus then maybe go down Huber or Miller. Better yet go there after dark like the pizza delivery kid and then get back to me.

I walk through Brightmoor...... I walk through HUbbell & Joy ...... I walk through Greenfield and Warren where a baby was machine gunned recently.

I don't need to get back to you. I have walked on every single block from Ford Road to Fenkell and from the Detroit border to Greenfield over the past two years. And now I walk from Greenfield east to Wyoming and from Tireman up to the Jeffries.

I can show you blocks that make the neighborhoods you shake from look like Beverly Hills. I do this as a 63 year old white guy with a clipboard.
 
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I walk through Brightmoor...... I walk through HUbbell & Joy ...... I walk through Greenfield and Warren where a baby was machine gunned recently.

I don't need to get back to you. I have walked on every single block from Ford Road to Fenkell and from the Detroit border to Greenfield over the past two years. And now I walk from Greenfield east to Wyoming and from Tireman up to the Jeffries.

I can show you blocks that make the neighborhoods you shake from look like Beverly Hills. I do this as a 63 year old white guy with a clipboard.


Warren. That was the high rent district, I lived below 8 Mile. Hell we thought if we could just get a place past 8 Mile we'd have made it.

And if you think that Mount Elliott and 6 Mile, across from the old Chrysler Plant is Beverly Hills, you don't know what you're talking about.

And that's exactly what I'm starting to believe, you've never been below 8 Mile Rd.
 
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It was mentioned earlier that courts have decided that area specific non-serve was illegal and that is why there is a city wide blackout. So yes, if they serve to a safe neighborhood they would have to serve to a dangerous one so they decided to blackout to keep their drivers safe.
It's been mentioned in this thread, but not in the article. Nor anywhere I could find a few quick Googles.

I am not sure that the courts have ever ruled such. Istm that unless the reason for not serving such an area is because the residents are members of a protected class refusing service is perfectly legal--rumors in this thread notwithstanding.
 
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When they opened a place near us we got one. To me, pizza has four main categories:

the worst and lowest is the five dollar pizza pizza that is aimed at families with kids

the second is stuff like Jets - franchise stuff which tries to be a cut above the pizza pizza cardboard and still be economical

the third is good Italian restaurant pizza made by people who care and use fresh ingredients and charge a good 50% more than the second tier

the fourth is the more expensive artisan pizza made in wood burning ovens with special ingredients and costs the most.

I once heard a presentation from a film critic who had been a food critic for a large newspaper. They said that surveys indicated the two chief concerns of patrons in picking a restaurant were as follows:

1- is it cheap?
2- will it make me sick?

And thus we explain Jets pizza.




I find it hard to dislike someone who takes pizza with the seriousness it deserves. :mrgreen:
 
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I find it hard to dislike someone who takes pizza with the seriousness it deserves. :mrgreen:

Well Goshin, we seem to have at least two things in common - besides great pizza we also seem to have a love of Middle-earth.

That is what is good about a board like this where you can discuss very different things. You might disagree with somebody about politics but then discover you both cheer for the same sports team or like the same music...... or in this case - hobbits eating pizza over a pile of roasting orcs. ;)
 
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Billy the Kid said:
I lived in Detroit. Below 8 MIle Road, the real inner city, and I still have relatives that live there, but they got out of the old neighborhood, with good reason.

When I visit, there is no way in hell, I'd go back to the old neighborhood in broad daylight. Unless I had a CWP, because it is very, very dangerous. So when I read the OP, I wasn't surprised at all.

Anyone who wants delivery service to continue, should have to do the delivering, IMO.

Completely agree. Growing up in Michigan, I've been all too familiar with the sites of what downtown Detroit has to offer - and this was when the Lions were garbage and the Pistons were in a lull.

I honestly can't blame Jet's for wanting to invoke this policy because it's simply a fiscal nightmare. If a driver is shot and killed while delivering, they're liable. If they get robbed, it's not the driver's money being taken. It's simply not economically viable to put yourself in harm's way.

haymarket said:
What baloney - or outright cowardice caused by self imposed fear.

I am a 63 year old white guy who is in Detroit a great deal because of my job. I walk the streets and neighborhoods and go to houses that would appear to have you quaking in your soiled boots just thinking about. We just knocked on over 5,000 doors in a four by six mile area and some of it is very poverty stricken. Nobody bothered me. And I am not armed or with a cadre of black guys wearing colors.

And I lived to tell about it.

One of three conclusions:

1) You're just flat-out lying as part of your liberal sympathy case for urban plight and denying simple reality.

2) You got lucky. Anyone can walk through a crossfire and not get hit. Whether they can do it consistently is another issue.

3) You took a wrong turn and went to Farmington Hills on accident.
 
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I walk through Brightmoor...... I walk through HUbbell & Joy ...... I walk through Greenfield and Warren where a baby was machine gunned recently.

I don't need to get back to you. I have walked on every single block from Ford Road to Fenkell and from the Detroit border to Greenfield over the past two years. And now I walk from Greenfield east to Wyoming and from Tireman up to the Jeffries.

I can show you blocks that make the neighborhoods you shake from look like Beverly Hills. I do this as a 63 year old white guy with a clipboard.


I'd like to point out that that isn't quite the same thing as being a pizza delivery driver, who carries cash to make change, after dark.
 
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One of three conclusions:

1) You're just flat-out lying as part of your liberal sympathy case for urban plight and denying simple reality.

2) You got lucky. Anyone can walk through a crossfire and not get hit. Whether they can do it consistently is another issue.

3) You took a wrong turn and went to Farmington Hills on accident.

I am the Chief of Staff for a Michigan State Representative. We have run two campaigns in the last two years. As part of that campaign we have knocked upon the doors of over 15,000 homes in the city of Detroit.

It is just him and I - neither is armed with anything more than literature and a clipboard.
 
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So I called a pizza shop in Houston, and they say they wont deliver to anywhere in my entire state at all. Like, ever. Can I sue them? This is clearly discrimination based on race, there are a lot of scandinavian types around here in Minnesota.
 
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Well Goshin, we seem to have at least two things in common - besides great pizza we also seem to have a love of Middle-earth.
That is what is good about a board like this where you can discuss very different things. You might disagree with somebody about politics but then discover you both cheer for the same sports team or like the same music...... or in this case - hobbits eating pizza over a pile of roasting orcs. ;)
I have zero friends with whom I agree on everything.
I have many friends with whom I disagree with a lot. They're still good people--they're just wrong.
 
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I'd like to point out that that isn't quite the same thing as being a pizza delivery driver, who carries cash to make change, after dark.

And that is a valid point. I was simply pointing out that what many think about Detroit is not always the complete picture.
 
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I am still trying to wrap my head around the courts saying a delivery place can't choose where to deliver.

That is seriously disturbing to me.
 
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I am still trying to wrap my head around the courts saying a delivery place can't choose where to deliver.

That is seriously disturbing to me.

The court finding falls under the anti-discrimination laws. The concern is that businesses will not service minority areas the same as they would "safer" neighborhoods. There was a similar issue with cabdrivers in NYC who refused to drive people to certain areas where they were being robbed and killed.
 
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I am still trying to wrap my head around the courts saying a delivery place can't choose where to deliver.
That is seriously disturbing to me.
Where did you read that the courts said any such thing?
Where did that impression come from?

It's not in the article of the OP.
There doesn't seem to be any indication via Google that any such thing has actually occurred.
AFAICT, the story about Jets Pizza was published / reported two days ago.
I honestly doubt that anything has made it through the court system over the weekend.

And not only where did the idea come from, how has it grown legs?

:seriously puzzled:
The court finding falls under the anti-discrimination laws. The concern is that businesses will not service minority areas the same as they would "safer" neighborhoods. There was a similar issue with cabdrivers in NYC who refused to drive people to certain areas where they were being robbed and killed.
What court finding?

Would you please be so kind as to indulge my curiosity?
No one else has been able to provide any evidence of Jets Pizza being required to deliver to Detroit.
 
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Hopefully that pizza chain fights that idiotic ruling. A delivery places should be free to refuse to deliver to any area they feel is dangerous to their employees while still being able to deliver to areas they feel are safe for their employees.

If it can be demonstrated that a neighborhood is high crime area, no fast food business should be compelled to make deliveries there, regardless of the racial makeup of the neighborhood.
 
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I don't blame them a bit. Imo, it's not worth putting your employees' lives at risk to make the extra money. If the people in Detroit can't get their **** together, and act like decent human beings, they can end up without pizza delivery services at all, as far as I am concerned.
 
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If it can be demonstrated that a neighborhood is high crime area, no fast food business should be compelled to make deliveries there, regardless of the racial makeup of the neighborhood.
AFAICT, none of them are.
 
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What baloney - or outright cowardice caused by self imposed fear.

I am a 63 year old white guy who is in Detroit a great deal because of my job. I walk the streets and neighborhoods and go to houses that would appear to have you quaking in your soiled boots just thinking about. We just knocked on over 5,000 doors in a four by six mile area and some of it is very poverty stricken. Nobody bothered me. And I am not armed or with a cadre of black guys wearing colors.

And I lived to tell about it.

Maybe not, but you're old. ;) ;)

I said that to be funny, but there is truth in that humor, Haymarket. Senior citizens, and white ones at that, aren't usually the targets of gang violence. I'd hate to be a 24-year-old guy with his girl walking in such neighborhoods. He's a mark because of his age. He's also got the lit fuse on his arm. Baaaad business in some neighborhoods.
 
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We used to get combat pay in the army in the 60's. Why would any "manager" feel justified in sending a person in to harms way? Wasn't Cabrini Green leveled becuase of the violence. Laws are being passed all over this country forbidding teens to drive after curfew and to drive with more than one other teen in the car. Since this culture is what it is with no hope of change such rule and laws will be passed. My work location had to put up razor wire surrrounding our parking lot because of daily episodes with car thieves. It looks like Auschwitz now.
 
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